Revitalizing The Democratic Party
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unsung said:Alyssa Milano says the Russians are to blame for the Dems defeat in Ohio.0
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https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
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Halifax2TheMax said:unsung said:Alyssa Milano says the Russians are to blame for the Dems defeat in Ohio.
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benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
...Give Peas A Chance…0
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benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?
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brianlux said:benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?
It allowed party insiders to manipulate results and avoid a "brokered" convention, which could make the party look bad at it's convention on national tv
In 2016, about 10-15% of all delegates were superdelegates, and most were for the establishment Candidate HRC and against Bernie. They usually are comprised of retired politicians and up and coming state and local politicians, eager to support the "insider."
The DNC just passed a rule prohibiting superdelegates from voting on the first ballot,which might not have that much impact.
Let's say after all the primaries Bernie is winning the delegate count 45 - 44%. He still does not have over 50% needed to win.
Under the old system, it was possible for HRC to get the majority of super delegates to hand her the nomination on the first ballot. This is still possible, but would need to occur on the second ballot with the new rules.Post edited by Lerxst1992 on0 -
benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:brianlux said:benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?
It allowed party insiders to manipulate results and avoid a "brokered" convention, which could make the party look bad at it's convention on national tv
In 2016, about 10-15% of all delegates were superdelegates, and most were for the establishment Candidate HRC and against Bernie. They usually are comprised of retired politicians and up and coming state and local politicians, eager to support the "insider."
The DNC just passed a rule prohibiting superdelegates from voting on the first ballot,which might not have that much impact.
Let's say after all the primaries Bernie is winning the delegate count 45 - 44%. He still does not have over 50% needed to win.
Under the old system, it was possible for HRC to get the majority of super delegates to hand her the nomination on the first ballot. This is still possible, but would need to occur on the second ballot with the new rules.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:HughFreakingDillon said:PJ_Soul said:benjs said:https://www.vox.com/2018/8/25/17781964/democrats-superdelegates-bernie-sanders-2020-clinton
This is a major structural change shifting the DNC towards populism. Any thoughts on this?I gathered that benjs posed that question as though populism is a negative, not a positive, which is why I don't get why getting rid of superdelegates would lead to it in that context. If populism in reality were simply "the will of the people" we certainly wouldn't all be so concerned about it. It's a whole lot more sinister than that in practice.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Why don't we just vote and count up the votes? Or would that be simplifying bureaucrazy too much and making things too plain and simple for this mixed up cracy world?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux said:Why don't we just vote and count up the votes? Or would that be simplifying bureaucrazy too much and making things too plain and simple for this mixed up cracy world?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Maybe they can just pick candidates from hat ...Give Peas A Chance…0
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As the superdelegates (elected people, former leaders etc.) will still endorse their favoured candidate during primaries they will have the same level of influence just not in a mathematical tie-breaking way at the end - right?0
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PJ_Soul said:brianlux said:Why don't we just vote and count up the votes? Or would that be simplifying bureaucrazy too much and making things too plain and simple for this mixed up cracy world?
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux said:Give Peas A Chance…0
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