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tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
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With the 4 Soldiers ambushed, the story seems to be garnering more questions now.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/confusion-sparks-pentagon-investigation-niger-ambush-left-us/story?id=50588803

This has the possibility of blowing up in the Presidents face.  

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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    Is it really possible that Chad was put on the travel ban list because they didn't have the required paper stock to send a sample passport to our homeland security because they required it. Some one couldn't have said, when can you get that to us and given Chad a break? 
    And is it possible Chad removed their fighters from Niger because they ended up on the travel ban list? It made our soldiers less safe.
    And then is it really possible that the new lack of security encouraged the fighters to attack in Niger because Chad fighters were gone?
    I could understand why trump wouldn't want to talk about that if it's all true. 
    Anyone else watch Rachel last night? I hope the facts end up being confirmed/exposed/responsibility taken, etc. whatever they are. 
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    Kat said:
    Is it really possible that Chad was put on the travel ban list because they didn't have the required paper stock to send a sample passport to our homeland security because they required it. Some one couldn't have said, when can you get that to us and given Chad a break? 
    And is it possible Chad removed their fighters from Niger because they ended up on the travel ban list? It made our soldiers less safe.
    And then is it really possible that the new lack of security encouraged the fighters to attack in Niger because Chad fighters were gone?
    I could understand why trump wouldn't want to talk about that if it's all true. 
    Anyone else watch Rachel last night? I hope the facts end up being confirmed/exposed/responsibility taken, etc. whatever they are. 
    Kat there are more and more questions being raised about this.  Keep your eyes open.
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
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    It's truly sickening. And then does this have anything to do with any of this? It's a tangled web that needs to be investigated, seriously investigated. Rex Tillerson was executive director of Exxon Mobil Corporation is why I'm wondering about this.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-09/exxon-settles-dispute-with-chad-avoiding-74-billion-fine
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    Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Kat said:
    It's truly sickening. And then does this have anything to do with any of this? It's a tangled web that needs to be investigated, seriously investigated. Rex Tillerson was executive director of Exxon Mobil Corporation is why I'm wondering about this.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-09/exxon-settles-dispute-with-chad-avoiding-74-billion-fine

    Scumbags.

    This reeks of exploitation in my mind: The world’s biggest oil producer by market value began talks with the government of the central African nation in November after the country’s High Court heeded a claim from the Finance Ministry that a consortium led by Irving, Texas-based Exxon hadn’t met tax obligations. The court also demanded the oil explorer pay $819 million in overdue royalties.

    It is sickening. Maddening actually.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    Kat said:
    It's truly sickening. And then does this have anything to do with any of this? It's a tangled web that needs to be investigated, seriously investigated. Rex Tillerson was executive director of Exxon Mobil Corporation is why I'm wondering about this.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-09/exxon-settles-dispute-with-chad-avoiding-74-billion-fine
    Everyone needs to read this article too.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    Where’s the republican and Trumpeters outrage? Oh yea, Hillary and Obama didn’t do enough.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No blood for oil!
    Too late
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    my2hands said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    No blood for oil!
    Too late
    True. Waaaaay too late.

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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    Unless you guys were posting articles everytime a special forces guy died during the Obama years i am not sure how you blame trump on this one. 
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Unless you guys were posting articles everytime a special forces guy died during the Obama years i am not sure how you blame trump on this one. 
    This isn't blaming Trump.  It goes deeper into our meddling in foreign affairs and Big oil companies doing as they please...
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Unless you guys were posting articles everytime a special forces guy died during the Obama years i am not sure how you blame trump on this one. 
    This isn't blaming Trump.  It goes deeper into our meddling in foreign affairs and Big oil companies doing as they please...
    Meddling in foreign affairs...what do you think covert operations do?
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    mcgruff10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Unless you guys were posting articles everytime a special forces guy died during the Obama years i am not sure how you blame trump on this one. 
    This isn't blaming Trump.  It goes deeper into our meddling in foreign affairs and Big oil companies doing as they please...
    Meddling in foreign affairs...what do you think covert operations do?
    Read up on it then come back here.  You might find this whole story stinks.  Research Niger in the search engine here and you'll see this has been going on for a while...
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,299
    mcgruff10 said:
    Unless you guys were posting articles everytime a special forces guy died during the Obama years i am not sure how you blame trump on this one. 
    Is he not the commander in chief ? If he is every soldier getting killed falls on his lap not saying it's his fault directly but the buck stops with him at least it did with every one of his predecessors ! 
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Unless you guys were posting articles everytime a special forces guy died during the Obama years i am not sure how you blame trump on this one. 
    Is he not the commander in chief ? If he is every soldier getting killed falls on his lap not saying it's his fault directly but the buck stops with him at least it did with every one of his predecessors ! 
    I get what you are saying Jose and I stand corrected.  I think the word I failed to use was "hypocritical".  I find it hypocritical that we did not post these type of articles during the Obama years (and I am no fan of Trump).
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,299
    mcgruff10 said:
    josevolution said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Unless you guys were posting articles everytime a special forces guy died during the Obama years i am not sure how you blame trump on this one. 
    Is he not the commander in chief ? If he is every soldier getting killed falls on his lap not saying it's his fault directly but the buck stops with him at least it did with every one of his predecessors ! 
    I get what you are saying Jose and I stand corrected.  I think the word I failed to use was "hypocritical".  I find it hypocritical that we did not post these type of articles during the Obama years (and I am no fan of Trump).
    I hear you not sure if Obama did or didn't with every war casualtie but the difference is that Orange bafoon brags about it he still doesn't get the fact that every word that comes out of his mouth will be dissected & scrutinized in this age of instant news ...
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-maddow-defends-niger-theory-004634401.html
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    mcgruff10 said:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-maddow-defends-niger-theory-004634401.html
    Rachel Maddow is another person that I tend not to listen to but I did read the article and I think she is off on this.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
    tempo_n_groove said:
    With the 4 Soldiers ambushed, the story seems to be garnering more questions now.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/confusion-sparks-pentagon-investigation-niger-ambush-left-us/story?id=50588803

    This has the possibility of blowing up in the Presidents face.  

    What doesn't?
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    ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,633
    Did I read somewhere that the wife of one of the 4 soldiers, the one trump is accusing of lying, was not allowed to see, or even identify, her husbands corpse in the coffin before burial?

    If so, why?
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    ed243421 said:
    Did I read somewhere that the wife of one of the 4 soldiers, the one trump is accusing of lying, was not allowed to see, or even identify, her husbands corpse in the coffin before burial?

    If so, why?
    Yeah, I read that story too. Very sketchy. I know that also isn't uncommon with the military and have heard it before, but that's usually only for situations where they couldn't properly ID a body and had very little actual remains. Not sure what is going on. The whole situation is being handled poorly, with the worst part being that Trump can't shut up and do something besides critique how everyone else should view his call. 
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    ed243421 said:
    Did I read somewhere that the wife of one of the 4 soldiers, the one trump is accusing of lying, was not allowed to see, or even identify, her husbands corpse in the coffin before burial?

    If so, why?
    I haven't seen that yet; maybe there wasn't enough remains to identify?  Even so she should be able to see her husband's remains.  This is starting to remind me of black hawk down: a mission that got really f'ed up.  
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888

    tempo_n_groove said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-maddow-defends-niger-theory-004634401.html
    Rachel Maddow is another person that I tend not to listen to but I did read the article and I think she is off on this.
    Yeah Rachel is just as bad as Hannity when it comes to spinning the news to their own agenda.  
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    mcgruff10 said:

    tempo_n_groove said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-maddow-defends-niger-theory-004634401.html
    Rachel Maddow is another person that I tend not to listen to but I did read the article and I think she is off on this.
    Yeah Rachel is just as bad as Hannity when it comes to spinning the news to their own agenda.  
    Some of her connect the dot theories can be a stretch, but they’re no Bill and Hillary death squads that Hannity enjoys. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    mcgruff10 said:
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/rachel-maddow-defends-niger-theory-004634401.html
    So what's the issue? Taking a page from JC:

    A: Rachel Maddow’s “Spin”
    B: US forces in Niger
    C: Trump remaining quiet on the deaths of 4 US service members for 12 days
    D: incompetent CIC
    E: Obama’s fault
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,243
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,020
    tbergs said:
    That's a decent sized amount of troops there in that area.
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,243
    I can't believe how this story and conflict has basically been ignored and disappeared in the media and by this Admin. If only this was Benghazi maybe someone would care.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/05/the-islamic-state-released-a-video-of-deadly-attack-of-u-s-soldiers-heres-why-it-matters/
    It's a hopeless situation...
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