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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 2,287
    BS44325 said:

    Nah. Not concerned about the so called "war on men" but I do recognize the ground rules of the day. If you are accused a vast number of people will convict you before you ever get your day in court. That is our present media environment and you cannot win under that scenerio. You on the other hand see religious extremism in everything. It's "obvious"! I mean most people on here have no problem with how Islam subjugates women...that's just celebrating diversity...but Pence's ground rules...well that's an outrage!

    Prominent Muslim female leaders :
    former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto (served 1988-1990 and 1993-1996)
    Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri (elected 2001)
    former Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller (served 1993-1995)
    former Senegalese Prime Minister Mame Madior Boye (appointed 2001)
    Bangladeshi Prime Ministers Begum Khaleda Zia (served 1991–96 and 2001–06) and Sheikh Hasina Wajed (first elected in 1996)
    former Iranian Vice President Masoumeh Ebtekar (served 1997–2005)
    Malian president Cissé Mariam Kaïdama Sidibé (elected in 2011)
    Kosovan President Atifete Jahjaga (served 2011–16)
    current President of Mauritius Bibi Ameenah Firdaus Gurib-Fakim (elected in 2015).

    Looks like we have some catching up to do!
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 8,427
    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 6,783
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Cards still being placed on the table and the Susan Rice card is a huge one.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

    Andrew McCarthy is still all over this story and it ain't looking good for the former administration.

    If true that she requested the unmasking, what law did she break?
    Maybe none.
    Exactly none, to be precise. So not sure how you keep bringing up watergate which was chock full of crimes. Although I do find it interesting that Trump has been bitching about leaks for weeks and it's pretty obvious that his admin leaked this Rice story to multiple conservative outlets. Th hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Not "exactly none". Sorry...you do not have enough evidence to declare that. You also make assumptions on points of law that you and I don't fully understand. You are right about the leak of Rice's name though...that being said is it a "leak" or is it "whistleblowing"? Intelligence agents seem to believe she was behaving improperly and the public needed to know. Only a thorough investigation will discover the truth.
    The GOP controls the intelligence committees. They could have had an open or closed door meeting where this came out. It's not whistleblowing when Elliott Cohen is the source.
    You think that's the source but you do not know. Again you make assumptions. Either way the source doesn't change the story that is unfolding. There was confirmed surveillance via "incidental contact" of the Trump administration/transition team unrelated to Russia. Incidental names within that surveillance were unmasked by Susan Rice and to some degree that info was shared. The questions now need to be asked why? The possibility of abuse is very high here. The need to find Russia related material on Trump might have caused Obama administraion officials to behave badly. It can no longer be denied.
    Of course I don't know for sure it was him... but the tea leaves are certainly pointing that way. Either way, isn't it pretty obvious it came from the WH?
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 2,287

    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?

    I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

    The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

    The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

    Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

    The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 6,516
    The question that needs to be asked is why are Trump campaign officials and associates being picked up on surveillance of foreign targets? The "unmasking" and "leaking" are distractions, deflections and denials of what the real issue is and what needs to be investigated. Bad behavior by the Obama Administration? What is this? 3rd grade?

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,041
    CM189191 said:

    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?

    I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

    The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

    The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

    Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

    The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.
    pence is saying he can't be trusted around women.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 6,073

    CM189191 said:

    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?

    I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

    The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

    The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

    Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

    The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.
    pence is saying he can't be trusted around women.
    That's exactly what I take from that....he can't be trusted with other women or around alcohol. He'll drink himself stupid and whip out his weiner.
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  • TikiTiki USAPosts: 3,811
    Is Stevie Bannon's time over? Thanks Ivanka. Jared's going to be running all of this soon
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 5,242

    CM189191 said:

    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?

    I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

    The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

    The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

    Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

    The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.
    pence is saying he can't be trusted around women.
    That's exactly what I take from that....he can't be trusted with other women or around alcohol. He'll drink himself stupid and whip out his weiner.
    Yup. Clearly male fundamentalist Christians, Jews and Muslims can't control their penises, so women have to be subjected to rules, control and discrimination to protect the men from falling into their evil traps. Fucking Eve and her goddamned apple.
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  • TikiTiki USAPosts: 3,811

    The question that needs to be asked is why are Trump campaign officials and associates being picked up on surveillance of foreign targets? The "unmasking" and "leaking" are distractions, deflections and denials of what the real issue is and what needs to be investigated. Bad behavior by the Obama Administration? What is this? 3rd grade?

    http://m.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees

    WHY indeed...it's because they're all corrupt fucks. That Blackwater founder (who contributed 250 large to the campaign) who just happens to be Betsy DeVos' brother? Jesus.
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  • TikiTiki USAPosts: 3,811
    edited April 5

    CM189191 said:

    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?

    I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

    The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

    The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

    Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

    The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.
    pence is saying he can't be trusted around women.
    That's exactly what I take from that....he can't be trusted with other women or around alcohol. He'll drink himself stupid and whip out his weiner.
    I have a feeling that Jeff Sessions has the same type of arrangement...except his issues mostly center around the weed.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 2,287

    CM189191 said:

    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?

    I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

    The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

    The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

    Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

    The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.
    pence is saying he can't be trusted around women.
    or more frightening....women can't be trusted around Pence
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  • TikiTiki USAPosts: 3,811
    edited April 5
    CM189191 said:

    CM189191 said:

    So - the Pence thing...

    On one hand it's bizarre and a bit creepy. Does he think he can't behave appropriately around alcohol or when alone with a women that isn't his wife?

    On the other hand - he is just another career politician that has developed a workplan to ensure that no photographs, etc could be taken out of context and he would ensure no fake sex scandal for his political career....

    I wonder which one it really is?

    I understand it stems from the Modesto Manifesto

    The first point was money. Modesto determined to do all we could to avoid financial abuses and to downplay the offering and depend as much as possible on money raised by the local committee in advance.

    The second item was the danger of sexual immorality. We all knew of evangelists who had fallen into immorality while separated from their families by travel. We pledged among ourselves to avoid any situation that would have even the appearance of compromise or suspicion. From that day on, I did not travel, meet or eat alone with a woman other than my wife.

    Our third concern was the tendency of many evangelists to carry on their work apart from the local church, even to criticize local pastors and churches openly and scathingly. We were convinced, however, that this was not only counterproductive but also wrong from the Bible’s standpoint. We determined to cooperate with all who would cooperate with us in the public proclamation of the Gospel, and to avoid an antichurch or anticlergy attitude.

    The fourth and final issue was publicity. The tendency among some evangelists was to exaggerate their successes or to claim higher attendance numbers than they really had. This likewise discredited evangelism and brought the whole enterprise under suspicion. It often made the press so suspicious of evangelists that they refused to take notice of their work. In Modesto we committed ourselves to integrity in our publicity and our reporting.
    pence is saying he can't be trusted around women.
    or more frightening....women can't be trusted around Pence
    I'm a guy and I find that super difficult to believe.
    He looks like everything a woman would hate.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 16,154
    At least there is no fear of Pence playing hide the cigar with the interns.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,041
    Jason P said:

    At least there is no fear of Pence playing hide the cigar with the interns.

    I'd saying needing these black and white rules means he's more likely to do things he's trying to avoid.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 6,516
    Jason P said:

    At least there is no fear of Pence playing hide the cigar with the interns.

    You forgot the word "consenting" between "the" and "intern."
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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CAPosts: 7,540
    edited April 5
    Tiki said:

    Is Stevie Bannon's time over? Thanks Ivanka. Jared's going to be running all of this soon

    Sad when this is considered an improvement. Good riddance to the biggest threat in the administration.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 34,830
    edited April 5
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    lol we still have more than three yrs left of this I can't wait to see what this country looks like after we get done winning so much ...

    We'll all be sleeping, so, so, so very tired from all the winning we'll be.

    Hey, but Mike Pence has an Instagram account now. Who all follows him?

    Vice President Mike Pence is now on Instagram. For up-to-date photos, follow VP here.


    I'm not allowed to look at it if my wife isn't in the room with me.
    Right?! So Trump selects a VP who either can't control his urges or out of some made up religious sense can't sin against his spouse by dining with other women without her? What's next? A Christian version of the Burqua? Anyway, help me understand this, is he afraid of sinning or is it some self imposed religious obligation? Or is it a dog whistle to his far right second coming Christian conservatives?
    It's the world progressives have created. When Rolling Stone magazine can turn any man into a rapist only a fool would put themselves in a compromising position. Personally I will not meet with a female student behind closed doors and I never drive a female baby sitter home. All it takes is one accusation to ruin a life and/or career.
    As someone who also works at a university in Canada and has done so for 15+ years, that is TOTALLY FUCKED UP and sketchy. I have never once heard of a professor or anyone else working at the university who can't or won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female unless, of course, he's already been accused of sexual misconduct. You sound completely paranoid (or like someone who has trouble acting appropriately around females).
    This is for you PJSoul...not university but shows how a false accusation can damage someone.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-teacher-suing-after-discovery-that-students-claims-of-torture-rape-were-ripped-off-from-law-and-order/amp

    Right in your backyard
    I know what it can do - my own mother was falsely accused by a couple of idiot teenaged girls who were mad at her when she was a teacher. My mother didn't become paranoid after that incident though. She is a reasonable, logical person. My dad was a principal, so of course it's an issue he was well aware of too. And working at a university, I'm well versed on this issue in general. And I still think your attitude is fucked up. And BTW, what is WAY more common is sexual harassment of women by men, and I have been a victim of that a LOT of times, but you don't see me refusing to be in a room alone with men at work. I just don't think that is a good reaction to the issue.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 16,154

    Jason P said:

    At least there is no fear of Pence playing hide the cigar with the interns.

    You forgot the word "consenting" between "the" and "intern."
    Ahhh, what ethics to be admired for.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 34,830
    edited April 5
    Do or did people honestly care that Clinton fucked around with an intern in the White House?? I personally couldn't give a flying fuck about that, since she was a consenting adult. I obviously don't admire marital infidelity (I feel very strongly that people should NEVER cheat), but if we're going to get all up in arms about that, we better have a LOOOOOONG list of people who we don't like for it, including people like Martin Luther King Jr and Gandhi. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to trash Bill Clinton for it unless we're ready to have the same attitude about every single public figure who cheated on their spouse. The problem with Bill Clinton was that he lied under oath about it (though I never thought they should have been asking him about it in the first place).
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 6,516
    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    At least there is no fear of Pence playing hide the cigar with the interns.

    You forgot the word "consenting" between "the" and "intern."
    Ahhh, what ethics to be admired for.
    Who said anything about ethics? And wouldn't it be much, much worse and a crime had it not been consensual? Still conduct unbecoming no matter how you slice it but there is a difference.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 16,154

    Jason P said:

    Jason P said:

    At least there is no fear of Pence playing hide the cigar with the interns.

    You forgot the word "consenting" between "the" and "intern."
    Ahhh, what ethics to be admired for.
    Who said anything about ethics? And wouldn't it be much, much worse and a crime had it not been consensual? Still conduct unbecoming no matter how you slice it but there is a difference.
    I'm not sure what we are arguing about. I was just remarking that the interns should be safe while Pence and his wife share milk and cookies on the front porch.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 34,830
    Pence's attitude about women is pretty much the same attitude that has lead to Muslim women wearing burkas.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,548
    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Cards still being placed on the table and the Susan Rice card is a huge one.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

    Andrew McCarthy is still all over this story and it ain't looking good for the former administration.

    If true that she requested the unmasking, what law did she break?
    Maybe none.
    Exactly none, to be precise. So not sure how you keep bringing up watergate which was chock full of crimes. Although I do find it interesting that Trump has been bitching about leaks for weeks and it's pretty obvious that his admin leaked this Rice story to multiple conservative outlets. Th hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Not "exactly none". Sorry...you do not have enough evidence to declare that. You also make assumptions on points of law that you and I don't fully understand. You are right about the leak of Rice's name though...that being said is it a "leak" or is it "whistleblowing"? Intelligence agents seem to believe she was behaving improperly and the public needed to know. Only a thorough investigation will discover the truth.
    The GOP controls the intelligence committees. They could have had an open or closed door meeting where this came out. It's not whistleblowing when Elliott Cohen is the source.
    You think that's the source but you do not know. Again you make assumptions. Either way the source doesn't change the story that is unfolding. There was confirmed surveillance via "incidental contact" of the Trump administration/transition team unrelated to Russia. Incidental names within that surveillance were unmasked by Susan Rice and to some degree that info was shared. The questions now need to be asked why? The possibility of abuse is very high here. The need to find Russia related material on Trump might have caused Obama administraion officials to behave badly. It can no longer be denied.
    Of course I don't know for sure it was him... but the tea leaves are certainly pointing that way. Either way, isn't it pretty obvious it came from the WH?
    It originates from the intelligence apparatus first and from there maybe to the White House...we just don't know. Either way it doesn't corrupt what is being reported. There are logs of unmasking requests and the info on Rice is either real or it isn't.

    Also here is Andrew McCarthy breaking it down further...he properly explains how what isn't criminal can still be an abuse of power.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446456/susan-rice-unmasking-michael-flynn-legal-abuse-power-intelligence-foreign-targets

    He should win a goddamn pulitzer.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,548
    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    lol we still have more than three yrs left of this I can't wait to see what this country looks like after we get done winning so much ...

    We'll all be sleeping, so, so, so very tired from all the winning we'll be.

    Hey, but Mike Pence has an Instagram account now. Who all follows him?

    Vice President Mike Pence is now on Instagram. For up-to-date photos, follow VP here.


    I'm not allowed to look at it if my wife isn't in the room with me.
    Right?! So Trump selects a VP who either can't control his urges or out of some made up religious sense can't sin against his spouse by dining with other women without her? What's next? A Christian version of the Burqua? Anyway, help me understand this, is he afraid of sinning or is it some self imposed religious obligation? Or is it a dog whistle to his far right second coming Christian conservatives?
    It's the world progressives have created. When Rolling Stone magazine can turn any man into a rapist only a fool would put themselves in a compromising position. Personally I will not meet with a female student behind closed doors and I never drive a female baby sitter home. All it takes is one accusation to ruin a life and/or career.
    As someone who also works at a university in Canada and has done so for 15+ years, that is TOTALLY FUCKED UP and sketchy. I have never once heard of a professor or anyone else working at the university who can't or won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female unless, of course, he's already been accused of sexual misconduct. You sound completely paranoid (or like someone who has trouble acting appropriately around females).
    This is for you PJSoul...not university but shows how a false accusation can damage someone.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-teacher-suing-after-discovery-that-students-claims-of-torture-rape-were-ripped-off-from-law-and-order/amp

    Right in your backyard
    I know what it can do - my own mother was falsely accused by a couple of idiot teenaged girls who were mad at her when she was a teacher. My mother didn't become paranoid after that incident though. She is a reasonable, logical person. My dad was a principal, so of course it's an issue he was well aware of too. And working at a university, I'm well versed on this issue in general. And I still think your attitude is fucked up. And BTW, what is WAY more common is sexual harassment of women by men, and I have been a victim of that a LOT of times, but you don't see me refusing to be in a room alone with men at work. I just don't think that is a good reaction to the issue.
    You are absolutely right that sexual harassment of women by men is way more common. I am not disagreeing with that at all. You should also know that I am not treating the female students any different then the male students I meet with...I treat them both equally by leaving a door open with a receptionist present. I also don't use the same rules in my business where I have all female employees. I meet with all of them one on one behind close doors without any issue all the time. The university setting is a different animal altogether though and it is extremely logical for a person in power not to place themselves in a compromising position considering the new rules of engagement. When there are universities such as Yale that will punish students for simply writing about rape you know we have crossed over into an unpleasant illogical world.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31954/
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 6,516
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    lol we still have more than three yrs left of this I can't wait to see what this country looks like after we get done winning so much ...

    We'll all be sleeping, so, so, so very tired from all the winning we'll be.

    Hey, but Mike Pence has an Instagram account now. Who all follows him?

    Vice President Mike Pence is now on Instagram. For up-to-date photos, follow VP here.


    I'm not allowed to look at it if my wife isn't in the room with me.
    Right?! So Trump selects a VP who either can't control his urges or out of some made up religious sense can't sin against his spouse by dining with other women without her? What's next? A Christian version of the Burqua? Anyway, help me understand this, is he afraid of sinning or is it some self imposed religious obligation? Or is it a dog whistle to his far right second coming Christian conservatives?
    It's the world progressives have created. When Rolling Stone magazine can turn any man into a rapist only a fool would put themselves in a compromising position. Personally I will not meet with a female student behind closed doors and I never drive a female baby sitter home. All it takes is one accusation to ruin a life and/or career.
    As someone who also works at a university in Canada and has done so for 15+ years, that is TOTALLY FUCKED UP and sketchy. I have never once heard of a professor or anyone else working at the university who can't or won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female unless, of course, he's already been accused of sexual misconduct. You sound completely paranoid (or like someone who has trouble acting appropriately around females).
    This is for you PJSoul...not university but shows how a false accusation can damage someone.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-teacher-suing-after-discovery-that-students-claims-of-torture-rape-were-ripped-off-from-law-and-order/amp

    Right in your backyard
    I know what it can do - my own mother was falsely accused by a couple of idiot teenaged girls who were mad at her when she was a teacher. My mother didn't become paranoid after that incident though. She is a reasonable, logical person. My dad was a principal, so of course it's an issue he was well aware of too. And working at a university, I'm well versed on this issue in general. And I still think your attitude is fucked up. And BTW, what is WAY more common is sexual harassment of women by men, and I have been a victim of that a LOT of times, but you don't see me refusing to be in a room alone with men at work. I just don't think that is a good reaction to the issue.
    You are absolutely right that sexual harassment of women by men is way more common. I am not disagreeing with that at all. You should also know that I am not treating the female students any different then the male students I meet with...I treat them both equally by leaving a door open with a receptionist present. I also don't use the same rules in my business where I have all female employees. I meet with all of them one on one behind close doors without any issue all the time. The university setting is a different animal altogether though and it is extremely logical for a person in power not to place themselves in a compromising position considering the new rules of engagement. When there are universities such as Yale that will punish students for simply writing about rape you know we have crossed over into an unpleasant illogical world.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31954/
    But you won't give the baby sitter a ride home?
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 4,548

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Cards still being placed on the table and the Susan Rice card is a huge one.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

    Andrew McCarthy is still all over this story and it ain't looking good for the former administration.

    If true that she requested the unmasking, what law did she break?
    Maybe none.
    No not maybe none just plain none ... can you tell us where orange bafoon falls on Assad ...
    I have no idea and I am not sure he does either. I know where I fall though. I was for regime change before and I'm for regime change now. I would like to see a large bomb dropped on Assad's palace with him in it. I would also like to see western countries withdraw from the UN and set up a new council where a country like Russia does not get veto power over the decision making process. Russia should not be allowed to paralyze the world into inaction.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 5,041
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Cards still being placed on the table and the Susan Rice card is a huge one.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446415/susan-rice-unmasking-trump-campaign-members-obama-administration-fbi-cia-nsa

    Andrew McCarthy is still all over this story and it ain't looking good for the former administration.

    If true that she requested the unmasking, what law did she break?
    Maybe none.
    Exactly none, to be precise. So not sure how you keep bringing up watergate which was chock full of crimes. Although I do find it interesting that Trump has been bitching about leaks for weeks and it's pretty obvious that his admin leaked this Rice story to multiple conservative outlets. Th hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Not "exactly none". Sorry...you do not have enough evidence to declare that. You also make assumptions on points of law that you and I don't fully understand. You are right about the leak of Rice's name though...that being said is it a "leak" or is it "whistleblowing"? Intelligence agents seem to believe she was behaving improperly and the public needed to know. Only a thorough investigation will discover the truth.
    The GOP controls the intelligence committees. They could have had an open or closed door meeting where this came out. It's not whistleblowing when Elliott Cohen is the source.
    You think that's the source but you do not know. Again you make assumptions. Either way the source doesn't change the story that is unfolding. There was confirmed surveillance via "incidental contact" of the Trump administration/transition team unrelated to Russia. Incidental names within that surveillance were unmasked by Susan Rice and to some degree that info was shared. The questions now need to be asked why? The possibility of abuse is very high here. The need to find Russia related material on Trump might have caused Obama administraion officials to behave badly. It can no longer be denied.
    Of course I don't know for sure it was him... but the tea leaves are certainly pointing that way. Either way, isn't it pretty obvious it came from the WH?
    It originates from the intelligence apparatus first and from there maybe to the White House...we just don't know. Either way it doesn't corrupt what is being reported. There are logs of unmasking requests and the info on Rice is either real or it isn't.

    Also here is Andrew McCarthy breaking it down further...he properly explains how what isn't criminal can still be an abuse of power.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446456/susan-rice-unmasking-michael-flynn-legal-abuse-power-intelligence-foreign-targets

    He should win a goddamn pulitzer.
    Good article, but conservative bias and this desire to bring down Obama is driving a lot of their thinking. I see a lot of conservatives thinking that the unmasking threshhold is somehow very high, and trump and co. don't meet this threshold. It's just denial of the level of corruption with trump because of blind disdain of Obama.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 34,830
    edited April 5

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    BS44325 said:

    lol we still have more than three yrs left of this I can't wait to see what this country looks like after we get done winning so much ...

    We'll all be sleeping, so, so, so very tired from all the winning we'll be.

    Hey, but Mike Pence has an Instagram account now. Who all follows him?

    Vice President Mike Pence is now on Instagram. For up-to-date photos, follow VP here.


    I'm not allowed to look at it if my wife isn't in the room with me.
    Right?! So Trump selects a VP who either can't control his urges or out of some made up religious sense can't sin against his spouse by dining with other women without her? What's next? A Christian version of the Burqua? Anyway, help me understand this, is he afraid of sinning or is it some self imposed religious obligation? Or is it a dog whistle to his far right second coming Christian conservatives?
    It's the world progressives have created. When Rolling Stone magazine can turn any man into a rapist only a fool would put themselves in a compromising position. Personally I will not meet with a female student behind closed doors and I never drive a female baby sitter home. All it takes is one accusation to ruin a life and/or career.
    As someone who also works at a university in Canada and has done so for 15+ years, that is TOTALLY FUCKED UP and sketchy. I have never once heard of a professor or anyone else working at the university who can't or won't have a one-on-one meeting with a female unless, of course, he's already been accused of sexual misconduct. You sound completely paranoid (or like someone who has trouble acting appropriately around females).
    This is for you PJSoul...not university but shows how a false accusation can damage someone.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/b-c-teacher-suing-after-discovery-that-students-claims-of-torture-rape-were-ripped-off-from-law-and-order/amp

    Right in your backyard
    I know what it can do - my own mother was falsely accused by a couple of idiot teenaged girls who were mad at her when she was a teacher. My mother didn't become paranoid after that incident though. She is a reasonable, logical person. My dad was a principal, so of course it's an issue he was well aware of too. And working at a university, I'm well versed on this issue in general. And I still think your attitude is fucked up. And BTW, what is WAY more common is sexual harassment of women by men, and I have been a victim of that a LOT of times, but you don't see me refusing to be in a room alone with men at work. I just don't think that is a good reaction to the issue.
    You are absolutely right that sexual harassment of women by men is way more common. I am not disagreeing with that at all. You should also know that I am not treating the female students any different then the male students I meet with...I treat them both equally by leaving a door open with a receptionist present. I also don't use the same rules in my business where I have all female employees. I meet with all of them one on one behind close doors without any issue all the time. The university setting is a different animal altogether though and it is extremely logical for a person in power not to place themselves in a compromising position considering the new rules of engagement. When there are universities such as Yale that will punish students for simply writing about rape you know we have crossed over into an unpleasant illogical world.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31954/
    But you won't give the baby sitter a ride home?
    Yeah, that part is really odd too.

    I don't know about US universities BS. Don't you work in a Canadian one? Anyway, I work at the one of Canada's major universities, and there is no way anyone at it would punish a student for writing about rape. Not in a million years. I think other Canadian universities also protect such intellectual freedoms.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 16,396
    What a joke this administration can't take ownership of anything at all just blame the black guy or the woman ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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