Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    edited August 17
    JC29856 said:
    ut-oh him again!!

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/346904-assange-meets-us-congressman-vows-to-prove-russia-did-not-leak-him

    Julian Assange told a U.S. congressman on Tuesday he can prove the leaked Democratic Party documents he published during last year's election did not come from Russia and promised additional helpful information about the leaks in the near future.

    Guess he's tired of Peruvian food? And he's got no credibility left if he now claims he can prove it wasn't the Russians after claiming, apparently falsely, that submissions to his site are completely anonymous and even he would never know where the documents came from or who submitted them. Why wouldn't he interview with the FBI for immunity?
                                      

    i guess the New Yorker article, which I'm reading now, is too close to home? Impeached for violations of FICA, money laundering, tax evasion and violation of banking regulations. Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. 755+1.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    You don't say? #BorisJC

    Breitbart, other 'alt-right' websites are the darlings of Russian propaganda effort - USA TODAY
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,760
    You don't say? #BorisJC

    Breitbart, other 'alt-right' websites are the darlings of Russian propaganda effort - USA TODAY
    Dead link
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    mrussel1 said:
    You don't say? #BorisJC

    Breitbart, other 'alt-right' websites are the darlings of Russian propaganda effort - USA TODAY
    Dead link
    Putin killed it. Or had it killed.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    Because you remembered to follow the money with a PTAPE, from Russia with love, right? Because you remembered when those brilliant brilliance of brilliantly brilliant headlines disappeared, right? 
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    BS44325 said:
    Let's eat it right up. It's all their fault!!!!
    Maybe you missed the "may have had" part. If you have any evidence to the contrary of their possible involvement, feel free to post it here. Whether you like it or not, this is a huge story.
    While the unnamed CIA source details a "consensus view" the washington post article itself actually shows the absence of evidence. “do not have specific intelligence showing officials in the Kremlin ‘directing’ the identified individuals to pass the Democratic emails to WikiLeaks" So while assumptions are made there is actually very little "there there". I'm sure you have read the whole thing https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.3b5068182693
    anything? it's been 10 months
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    Brilliantly disappearing headlines. Seeing how the WSJ has a paywall up and it's not likely that posters here get the paper delivered. Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTAPE, all the way to impeachment. #755+1+7Xs

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/26/politics/mueller-flynn-clinton-emails/index.html
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    Just another coincidence in a very, very long list of them, I'm sure.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/25/world/europe/russians-arrested-on-treason-charges-helped-us-catch-hacker-report-says.amp.html

     Tick tock goes the impeachment clock. 755+1+7Xs
     
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/29/more-misleading-russia-gate-propaganda/

    The reality, as you would find out if you read further into the story, is that the boast from Felix Sater that somehow the construction of a Trump Tower in Moscow would demonstrate Trump’s international business prowess and thus help his election was meaningless. What the incident really shows is that the Trump organization had little or no pull in Russia as Putin’s government apparently didn’t lift a finger to salvage this stillborn building project.

    However, leaving aside the Times’ propagandistic approach to Ukraine, there is this more immediate point about Russia-gate: none of Sater’s boastful claims proved true and this incident really underscored the lack of useful connections between Trump’s people and the Kremlin. One of Trump’s lawyers, Michael Cohen, even used a general press email address in a plea for assistance from Putin’s personal spokesman.

    Deeper in the story, the Times admits these inconvenient facts: “There is no evidence in the emails that Mr. Sater delivered on his promises, and one email suggests that Mr. Sater overstated his Russian ties. In January 2016, Mr. Cohen wrote to Mr. Putin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, asking for help restarting the Trump Tower project, which had stalled. But Mr. Sater did not appear to have Mr. Peskov’s direct email, and instead wrote to a general inbox for press inquiries.”

    The Times added: “The project never got government permits or financing, and died weeks later. … The emails obtained by The Times make no mention of Russian efforts to damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign or the hacking of Democrats’ emails.”

    In other words, the Russia-gate narrative – that somehow Putin foresaw Trump’s election (although almost no one else did) and sought to curry favor with the future U.S. president by lining Trump’s pockets with lucrative real estate deals while doing whatever he could to help Trump win – is knocked down by these new disclosures, not supported by them.

    Instead of clearing the way for Trump to construct the building and thus – in Sater’s view – boost Trump’s election chances, Putin and his government wouldn’t even approve permits or assist in the financing.

    But the actual evidence suggests something quite different. Besides Flynn’s relatively modest speaking fee, it turned out that RT negotiated Flynn’s rate downward, a fact that The Washington Post buried deep inside an article on Flynn’s Russia-connected payments. The Post wrote, “RT balked at paying Flynn’s original asking price. ‘Sorry it took us longer to get back to you but the problem is that the speaking fee is a bit too high and exceeds our budget at the moment,’ Alina Mikhaleva, RT’s head of marketing, wrote a Flynn associate about a month before the event.”

    But that recognition of reality would undermine the much beloved story of Putin-Trump collusion, so the key facts and the clear logic are downplayed or ignored – all the better to deceive Americans who are dependent on the Times, the Post and the mainstream media.
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    JC29856 said:
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/29/more-misleading-russia-gate-propaganda/

    The reality, as you would find out if you read further into the story, is that the boast from Felix Sater that somehow the construction of a Trump Tower in Moscow would demonstrate Trump’s international business prowess and thus help his election was meaningless. What the incident really shows is that the Trump organization had little or no pull in Russia as Putin’s government apparently didn’t lift a finger to salvage this stillborn building project.

    However, leaving aside the Times’ propagandistic approach to Ukraine, there is this more immediate point about Russia-gate: none of Sater’s boastful claims proved true and this incident really underscored the lack of useful connections between Trump’s people and the Kremlin. One of Trump’s lawyers, Michael Cohen, even used a general press email address in a plea for assistance from Putin’s personal spokesman.

    Deeper in the story, the Times admits these inconvenient facts: “There is no evidence in the emails that Mr. Sater delivered on his promises, and one email suggests that Mr. Sater overstated his Russian ties. In January 2016, Mr. Cohen wrote to Mr. Putin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, asking for help restarting the Trump Tower project, which had stalled. But Mr. Sater did not appear to have Mr. Peskov’s direct email, and instead wrote to a general inbox for press inquiries.”

    The Times added: “The project never got government permits or financing, and died weeks later. … The emails obtained by The Times make no mention of Russian efforts to damage Hillary Clinton’s campaign or the hacking of Democrats’ emails.”

    In other words, the Russia-gate narrative – that somehow Putin foresaw Trump’s election (although almost no one else did) and sought to curry favor with the future U.S. president by lining Trump’s pockets with lucrative real estate deals while doing whatever he could to help Trump win – is knocked down by these new disclosures, not supported by them.

    Instead of clearing the way for Trump to construct the building and thus – in Sater’s view – boost Trump’s election chances, Putin and his government wouldn’t even approve permits or assist in the financing.

    But the actual evidence suggests something quite different. Besides Flynn’s relatively modest speaking fee, it turned out that RT negotiated Flynn’s rate downward, a fact that The Washington Post buried deep inside an article on Flynn’s Russia-connected payments. The Post wrote, “RT balked at paying Flynn’s original asking price. ‘Sorry it took us longer to get back to you but the problem is that the speaking fee is a bit too high and exceeds our budget at the moment,’ Alina Mikhaleva, RT’s head of marketing, wrote a Flynn associate about a month before the event.”

    But that recognition of reality would undermine the much beloved story of Putin-Trump collusion, so the key facts and the clear logic are downplayed or ignored – all the better to deceive Americans who are dependent on the Times, the Post and the mainstream media.
    So all the players, including Trump, should have no problem a, either testifying before congress in open hearings or answering subpoenas from Mueller or b, answering any subsequent charges, whether in criminal court or impeachment hearings, and clearing their names, right? It's all a 4th estate witch hunt, right? 7Xs.

    Rather than condemn the press for how they report the "facts," I'll eagerly await Mueller's report and Trump's subsequent impeachment. Email is not the only method of communicating potential quid pro quos. 7Xs.


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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    JC29856 said:
    http://m.truthdig.com/report/item/was_the_russian_hack_an_inside_job_20170724

    VIPS veteran intelligence professionals for sanity!

    DNC hack (reminder:hack does not equal find) was not an outside hack but an inside leak!


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 9,526
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    http://m.truthdig.com/report/item/was_the_russian_hack_an_inside_job_20170724

    VIPS veteran intelligence professionals for sanity!

    DNC hack (reminder:hack does not equal find) was not an outside hack but an inside leak!


    Was it?
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,399
    Well, if I'm ever going to believe a crazy website- why not start with TRUTHDIG!!

  • ^^^
    Crazy website or not, either way this story is fading.


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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,399
    edited August 31
    ORRRRRR there's been a devastating hurricane and flood in the fourth largest city in the country for nearly a week and the media is (as they should) focusing on that. 

    There is still new and significant news coming out on almost a daily basis that would be top stories on a typical night. 
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited August 31
    ORRRRRR there's been a devastating hurricane and flood in the fourth largest city in the country for nearly a week and the media is (as they should) focusing on that. 

    There is still new and significant news coming out on almost a daily basis that would be top stories on a typical night. 

    An entire country has to shut down and be the focus of the media because of the state of one state?  There are other things happening in the world.
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,399
    It's a natural disaster unlike any other we've ever seen in this country before. It's what should be getting covered around the clock. 
  • It's a natural disaster unlike any other we've ever seen in this country before. It's what should be getting covered around the clock. 

    By all US media?
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,399
    Why not? It's unprecedented on this scale. Never. Happened. Before. 

    And, I think by showing how awful a situation it is down there, maybe it's helping people donate to the relief effort. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,784
    ^^^
    Crazy website or not, either way this story is fading.


    haha
    Probably the biggest part of this story yet came out tonight. Great timing.
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  • ^^^
    I'm aware of the headlines but even they state not illegal.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/michael-cohen-trump-lawyer-russia_us_59a71a28e4b010ca2899e933


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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 6,320
    Why not? It's unprecedented on this scale. Never. Happened. Before. 

    And, I think by showing how awful a situation it is down there, maybe it's helping people donate to the relief effort. 

    Well, sure it should be covered extensively, but I have to agree that it shouldn't be the only story covered.  The situation in one American state does not outweigh what is happening everywhere else in the world. To think otherwise is pure American hubris.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 28,784
    edited August 31
    Hmm. You're obviously not aware of what I'm talking about. Thanks for playing though. Hope you didn't hurt yourself.


    By the way---here's how the trump supporters responses have morphed:

    He did nothing wrong!
    No collusion!
    10 months and they found nothing!
    Well....okay, he did that......but......its....not illegal?!

    slow.death.march.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 7,760
    Hmm. You're obviously not aware of what I'm talking about. Thanks for playing though. Hope you didn't hurt yourself.


    By the way---here's how the trump supporters responses have morphed:

    He did nothing wrong!
    No collusion!
    10 months and they found nothing!
    Well....okay, he did that......but......its....not illegal?!

    slow.death.march.
    You forgot... 
    "But Hillary"..
    That's usually #2 or 3.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 17,054
    ^^^
    Crazy website or not, either way this story is fading.


    But but Muller Muller still digging digging the investigation is still alive & kicking no matter what the media might say !!!
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,500
    James liar under oath Clapper trying to subvert democracy over conspiracy theory.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/sources-clapper-discussed-using-supreme-court-justice-block-trumps-inauguration/
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
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