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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    rgambs said:

    He is now going to go down the rabbit hole of attacking Bill's sexual indiscretions and allegations of abuse.
    Not a good strategy.

    Especially when you look at Trump's own issues, Gingerich, Guliani, etc. They all have exposure there.

    And the Miss Universe thing...he is criticizing this person for prior porn (which I'm not sure happened) but there are naked pictures of his wife all over the internet. Why would he go there and open up that can of whoop ass?

    He is monumentally stupid folks.
    Did you see, his comments about Machado doing porn led to someone at buzzfeed digging up a softcore Playboy porn that he appeared in lol

    Monumentally stupid indeed.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    I love how he defended his 3am tweets by saying, if elected, we'd know he'd be there AWAKE ready for the call...

    Can't you just imagine a coked up Trump furiously pacing the Oval Office at all hours of the night waiting for the call, tweeting, or calling Sean Hannity?
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,678
    rgambs said:

    rgambs said:

    He is now going to go down the rabbit hole of attacking Bill's sexual indiscretions and allegations of abuse.
    Not a good strategy.

    Especially when you look at Trump's own issues, Gingerich, Guliani, etc. They all have exposure there.

    And the Miss Universe thing...he is criticizing this person for prior porn (which I'm not sure happened) but there are naked pictures of his wife all over the internet. Why would he go there and open up that can of whoop ass?

    He is monumentally stupid folks.
    Did you see, his comments about Machado doing porn led to someone at buzzfeed digging up a softcore Playboy porn that he appeared in lol

    Monumentally stupid indeed.
    Yesterday, he actually had the credit on his IMDB page. It has since been removed, but it was snapped and preserved forever!
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,989
    edited October 2016
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,989
    So...the Trump surrogates are out in force attacking Hillary over Bill's infidelity.

    I can't imagine that his campaign manager (Conway) has approved this. This is crazy.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
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    PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,628
    edited October 2016
    Kay, well first, here is an open letter written by an ex- Make America Great Again super PAC strategist written in March (before shit got really bad). She gives a particularly interesting explanation of the initial intent of Trump's campaign and how it got out of control, and how it's now just been taken over by Trump's ego. Interesting, but not a surprising letter at all.
    And then there is just a link for full disclosure. The first website is wrong about how they label this woman. She was not a "top strategist". Just a strategist among many I think.

    It's too long to post in full, so I cut out some parts below (indicated with ..........) but click to read in full.

    http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

    http://www.snopes.com/stephanie-cegielski-letter-trump/

    I respect Trump's fans. That's why I can no longer support the man himself.

    Even Trump's most trusted advisors didn't expect him to fare this well.

    Almost a year ago, recruited for my public relations and public policy expertise, I sat in Trump Tower being told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count. That was it.

    The Trump camp would have been satisfied to see him polling at 12% and taking second place to a candidate who might hold 50%. His candidacy was a protest candidacy............


    ..... It wasn't long before every day I awoke to a buzzing phone and a shaking head because Trump had said something politically incorrect the night before. I have been around politics long enough to know that the other side will pounce on any and every opportunity to smear a candidate.

    But something surprising and absolutely unexpected happened. Every other candidate misestimated the anger and outrage of the “silent majority” of Americans who are not a part of the liberal elite. So with each statement came a jump in the polls. Just when I thought we were finished, The Donald gained more popularity.

    I don't think even Trump thought he would get this far. And I don’t even know that he wanted to, which is perhaps the scariest prospect of all.

    He certainly was never prepared or equipped to go all the way to the White House, but his ego has now taken over the driver's seat, and nothing else matters. The Donald does not fail. The Donald does not have any weakness. The Donald is his own biggest enemy.

    A devastating terrorist attack in Pakistan targeting Christians occurred on Easter Sunday, and Trump’s response was to tweet, "Another radical Islamic attack, this time in Pakistan, targeting Christian women & children. At least 67 dead, 400 injured. I alone can solve."

    Ignoring the fact that at the time Trump tweeted this (time-stamped 4:37 p.m.) the latest news reports had already placed the number differently at 70 dead, 300 injured, take a moment to appreciate the ridiculous, cartoonish, almost childish arrogance of saying that he alone can solve. Does Trump think that he is making a cameo on Wrestlemania (yes, one of his actual credits)?

    This is not how foreign policy works. For anyone. Ever.

    Superhero powers where "I alone can solve" problems are not real. They do not exist for Batman, for Superman, for Wrestlemania and definitely not for Donald Trump.

    What was once Trump's desire to rank second place to send a message to America and to increase his power as a businessman has nightmarishly morphed into a charade that is poised to do irreparable damage to this country if we do not stop this campaign in its tracks.

    I'll say it again: Trump never intended to be the candidate. But his pride is too out of control to stop him now.

    You can give Trump the biggest gift possible if you are a Trump supporter: stop supporting him.

    He doesn't want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He’s achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.

    The hard truth is: Trump only cares about Trump.

    And if you are one of the disaffected voters — one of the silent majority like me — who wanted a candidate who could be your voice, I want to speak directly to you as one of his biggest advocates and supporters.

    He is not that voice. He is not your voice. He is only Trump's voice.

    Trump is about Trump. Not one of his many wives. Not one of his many "pieces of ass." He is, at heart, a self-preservationist.

    In fact, many people are not aware of the Trump campaign's internal slogan, but I will tell you. It is stolen from a make-believe television presidency on The West Wing where Martin Sheen portrayed President Bartlet. The slogan on the show amongst the idealistic group of Bartlet's staff was “Let Bartlet Be Bartlet.”

    Inside the Trump camp, the slogan became "Let Trump Be Trump."

    It is a repurposed slogan that seemed spot-on for the candidate. He is an intelligent, charismatic man who is involved in every aspect of his organization and would rather speak from the cuff than read briefing notes and recite them. I, in fact, admire Trump for this. But saying this qualifies him to be president is like saying that Seth Rogen is suited to be president. Another extraordinary improvisor, not an extraordinary presidential candidate......


    .........The primary problem with this? What I've seen the longer I've helped prop him up along with the millions who are helping Trump is that we got the slogan wrong. A more accurate internal slogan would read, "Let Trump Help Trump."

    I don't dismiss any single Trump constituent, which is why I believe it's important to let you know that the candidate does.

    I, too, think our country has gone off track in its values. I, too, think that we need a dramatic change of course. But I am, in my heart, a policy wonk and a believer in coming to the table with necessary knowledge for leading the free world.

    The man does not know policy, nor does he have the humility to admit what he does not know — the most frightening position of all........


    ........I consider myself a part of the silent majority that led to Trump’s rise, which is why I want you to know that I am with you — I wanted Trump to be real, too.

    He is not.

    He even says so himself. His misogyny? That's the character.

    His presidential candidacy? That's a character, too.

    The problem with characters is they are the stuff of soap operas and sitcoms and reality competitions — not political legacies.

    And he has no problem abusing your support the same way he cheated hard-working men and women out of millions of dollars, for which he is now being sued...........

    ................. I no longer felt that he was the leader the country was looking for, and I found myself longing — aching, really — for policy substance that went beyond building a wall and making Mexico pay for it. What were once bold — although controversial — statements now seemed to be attempts to please the crowds, not direction to lead this country to a better place. I began to realize his arrogance and isolation had taken over and were now controlling his message.

    And here's what he tapped into: the unprecedented, unbelievable anger.

    Because we are all angry — and we all have a right to be. But Trump is not our champion. He would stab any one of his supporters in the back if it earned him a cent more in his pocket.

    Unfortunately, the more vitriolic Trump has become, the more the people responded to him. That drove him to push the boundaries further and further.

    I also started seeing a trend of incompetence and deniability.

    When there was a tweet that contained an error, he would blame it on an intern; when there was a photo containing a World War II Nazi Germany background, he would blame it on an intern; when he answered questions in an overtly controversial fashion, he would claim that he did not properly hear the question. He refused to take responsibility for his actions while frequently demanding apologies from others.

    Imagine Trump wronged you, even in the smallest possible way. He would go to the grave denying he had ever done anything wrong to you — ever.

    Trump acts as if he's a fictional character. But like Hercules, Donald Trump is a work of fiction.

    No matter how many times he repeats it, Trump would not be the "best" at being a president, being in shape, fighting terrorism, selling steaks, and whatever other "best" claim he has made in the last 15 minutes.

    He would be the best at something, though. He is the best at looking out for Donald Trump — at all costs.

    Don’t let our country pay that price.

    By
    Stephanie Cegielski
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    So...the Trump surrogates are out in force attacking Hillary over Bill's infidelity.

    I can't imagine that his campaign manager (Conway) has approved this. This is crazy.

    Yet he has no issue with his infidelity because of an R next to his name on the ballot.
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    BS44325 said:

    benjs said:

    fife said:

    Jason P said:

    So my choice are Crooked Hillary or Insane Clown Donald ...

    sadly yes or you can move, Canada is very nice :)
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    g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,125
    PJ_Soul said:

    Kay, well first, here is an open letter written by an ex- Make America Great Again super PAC strategist written in March (before shit got really bad). She gives a particularly interesting explanation of the initial intent of Trump's campaign and how it got out of control, and how it's now just been taken over by Trump's ego. Interesting, but not a surprising letter at all.
    And then there is just a link for full disclosure. The first website is wrong about how they label this woman. She was not a "top strategist". Just a strategist among many I think.

    It's too long to post in full, so I cut out some parts below (indicated with ..........) but click to read in full.

    http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector

    http://www.snopes.com/stephanie-cegielski-letter-trump/

    I respect Trump's fans. That's why I can no longer support the man himself.

    Even Trump's most trusted advisors didn't expect him to fare this well.

    Almost a year ago, recruited for my public relations and public policy expertise, I sat in Trump Tower being told that the goal was to get The Donald to poll in double digits and come in second in delegate count. That was it.

    The Trump camp would have been satisfied to see him polling at 12% and taking second place to a candidate who might hold 50%. His candidacy was a protest candidacy............


    ..... It wasn't long before every day I awoke to a buzzing phone and a shaking head because Trump had said something politically incorrect the night before. I have been around politics long enough to know that the other side will pounce on any and every opportunity to smear a candidate.

    But something surprising and absolutely unexpected happened. Every other candidate misestimated the anger and outrage of the “silent majority” of Americans who are not a part of the liberal elite. So with each statement came a jump in the polls. Just when I thought we were finished, The Donald gained more popularity.

    I don't think even Trump thought he would get this far. And I don’t even know that he wanted to, which is perhaps the scariest prospect of all.

    He certainly was never prepared or equipped to go all the way to the White House, but his ego has now taken over the driver's seat, and nothing else matters. The Donald does not fail. The Donald does not have any weakness. The Donald is his own biggest enemy.

    A devastating terrorist attack in Pakistan targeting Christians occurred on Easter Sunday, and Trump’s response was to tweet, "Another radical Islamic attack, this time in Pakistan, targeting Christian women & children. At least 67 dead, 400 injured. I alone can solve."

    Ignoring the fact that at the time Trump tweeted this (time-stamped 4:37 p.m.) the latest news reports had already placed the number differently at 70 dead, 300 injured, take a moment to appreciate the ridiculous, cartoonish, almost childish arrogance of saying that he alone can solve. Does Trump think that he is making a cameo on Wrestlemania (yes, one of his actual credits)?

    This is not how foreign policy works. For anyone. Ever.

    Superhero powers where "I alone can solve" problems are not real. They do not exist for Batman, for Superman, for Wrestlemania and definitely not for Donald Trump.

    What was once Trump's desire to rank second place to send a message to America and to increase his power as a businessman has nightmarishly morphed into a charade that is poised to do irreparable damage to this country if we do not stop this campaign in its tracks.

    I'll say it again: Trump never intended to be the candidate. But his pride is too out of control to stop him now.

    You can give Trump the biggest gift possible if you are a Trump supporter: stop supporting him.

    He doesn't want the White House. He just wants to be able to say that he could have run the White House. He’s achieved that already and then some. If there is any question, take it from someone who was recruited to help the candidate succeed, and initially very much wanted him to do so.

    The hard truth is: Trump only cares about Trump.

    And if you are one of the disaffected voters — one of the silent majority like me — who wanted a candidate who could be your voice, I want to speak directly to you as one of his biggest advocates and supporters.

    He is not that voice. He is not your voice. He is only Trump's voice.

    Trump is about Trump. Not one of his many wives. Not one of his many "pieces of ass." He is, at heart, a self-preservationist.

    In fact, many people are not aware of the Trump campaign's internal slogan, but I will tell you. It is stolen from a make-believe television presidency on The West Wing where Martin Sheen portrayed President Bartlet. The slogan on the show amongst the idealistic group of Bartlet's staff was “Let Bartlet Be Bartlet.”

    Inside the Trump camp, the slogan became "Let Trump Be Trump."

    It is a repurposed slogan that seemed spot-on for the candidate. He is an intelligent, charismatic man who is involved in every aspect of his organization and would rather speak from the cuff than read briefing notes and recite them. I, in fact, admire Trump for this. But saying this qualifies him to be president is like saying that Seth Rogen is suited to be president. Another extraordinary improvisor, not an extraordinary presidential candidate......


    .........The primary problem with this? What I've seen the longer I've helped prop him up along with the millions who are helping Trump is that we got the slogan wrong. A more accurate internal slogan would read, "Let Trump Help Trump."

    I don't dismiss any single Trump constituent, which is why I believe it's important to let you know that the candidate does.

    I, too, think our country has gone off track in its values. I, too, think that we need a dramatic change of course. But I am, in my heart, a policy

    The man does not know policy, nor does he have the humility to admit what he does not know — the most frightening position of all........


    ........I consider myself a part of the silent majority that led to Trump’s rise, which is why I want you to know that I am with you — I wanted Trump to be real, too.

    He is not.

    He even says so himself. His misogyny? That's the character.

    His presidential candidacy? That's a character, too.

    The problem with characters is they are the stuff of soap operas and sitcoms and reality competitions — not political legacies.

    And he has no problem abusing your support the same way he cheated hard-working men and women out of millions of dollars, for which he is now being sued...........

    ................. I no longer felt that he was the leader the country was looking for, and I found myself longing — aching, really — for policy substance that went beyond building a wall and making Mexico pay for it. What were once bold — although controversial — statements now seemed to be attempts to please the crowds, not direction to lead this country to a better place. I began to realize his arrogance and isolation had taken over and were now controlling his message.

    And here's what he tapped into: the unprecedented, unbelievable anger.

    Because we are all angry — and we all have a right to be. But Trump is not our champion. He would stab any one of his supporters in the back if it earned him a cent more in his pocket.

    Unfortunately, the more vitriolic Trump has become, the more the people responded to him. That drove him to push the boundaries further and further.

    I also started seeing a trend of incompetence and deniability.

    When there was a tweet that contained an error, he would blame it on an intern; when there was a photo containing a World War II Nazi Germany background, he would blame it on an intern; when he answered questions in an overtly controversial fashion, he would claim that he did not properly hear the question. He refused to take responsibility for his actions while frequently demanding apologies from others.

    Imagine Trump wronged you, even in the smallest possible way. He would go to the grave denying he had ever done anything wrong to you — ever.

    Trump acts as if he's a fictional character. But like Hercules, Donald Trump is a work of fiction.

    No matter how many times he repeats it, Trump would not be the "best" at being a president, being in shape, fighting terrorism, selling steaks, and whatever other "best" claim he has made in the last 15 minutes.

    He would be the best at something, though. He is the best at looking out for Donald Trump — at all costs.

    Don’t let our country pay that price.

    By
    Stephanie Cegielski

    Excellent insite as to what Trump is REALLY all about......TRUMP. That slogan of *Let Trump Be Trump*.....literally gives him the excuses to do and say just about anything he wants......AND GET AWAY WITH IT.

    Peace
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    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,315
    Now he's going off on Twitter about how he won the debate and not to believe the spin (the debate was 5 days ago).
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    EnkiduEnkidu So Cal Posts: 2,996
    Wow, PJ Soul, that was something. Thanks for posting that. Even though I want to throw up now.
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    Jason PJason P Posts: 19,123
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    Jason P said:

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    One two Trumps coming for you
    Three four better lock your door

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    WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,516
    no taxes for 20 years? yup, downtrodden americans, he's the guy for you.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,548
    Wobbie said:

    no taxes for 20 years? yup, downtrodden americans, he's the guy for you.

    It is a loss carryover if the story is correct. What is he supposed to do, just voluntarily pay tax? Would anyone dem or rep do that if in his position? Of course not.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    Wobbie said:

    no taxes for 20 years? yup, downtrodden americans, he's the guy for you.

    It is a loss carryover if the story is correct. What is he supposed to do, just voluntarily pay tax? Would anyone dem or rep do that if in his position? Of course not.
    Exactly. There is a huge difference between him failing to pay taxes or using illegally means to avoid paying taxes then to use the laws on the books that are open to all individuals and/or businesses. If people don't like the tax laws on the books then they should push to change them. Does anybody think Hillary will push for these tax changes in the face of all her corporate donors? Of course not. It's all pretty silly.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,760
    BS44325 said:

    Wobbie said:

    no taxes for 20 years? yup, downtrodden americans, he's the guy for you.

    It is a loss carryover if the story is correct. What is he supposed to do, just voluntarily pay tax? Would anyone dem or rep do that if in his position? Of course not.
    Exactly. There is a huge difference between him failing to pay taxes or using illegally means to avoid paying taxes then to use the laws on the books that are open to all individuals and/or businesses. If people don't like the tax laws on the books then they should push to change them. Does anybody think Hillary will push for these tax changes in the face of all her corporate donors? Of course not. It's all pretty silly.
    Plus we know Trump's an honest and swell guy and would never cheat! :smiley:
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,760

    Jason P said:

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    One two Trumps coming for you
    Three four better lock your door

    Reminds me somehow of that Ramones song, I Don't Wanna Go Down to the Basement. :lol:
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,838
    edited October 2016
    BS44325 said:

    Wobbie said:

    no taxes for 20 years? yup, downtrodden americans, he's the guy for you.

    It is a loss carryover if the story is correct. What is he supposed to do, just voluntarily pay tax? Would anyone dem or rep do that if in his position? Of course not.
    Exactly. There is a huge difference between him failing to pay taxes or using illegally means to avoid paying taxes then to use the laws on the books that are open to all individuals and/or businesses. If people don't like the tax laws on the books then they should push to change them. Does anybody think Hillary will push for these tax changes in the face of all her corporate donors? Of course not. It's all pretty silly.
    Legal or not the bottom line is that the guy running for President hasn't paid federal income tax in 20 years. It is definitely something that could push undecided voters away.

    Edit: His team knows this that's why they haven't released his taxes. If it made him look good they would be on display.

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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    BS44325 said:

    Wobbie said:

    no taxes for 20 years? yup, downtrodden americans, he's the guy for you.

    It is a loss carryover if the story is correct. What is he supposed to do, just voluntarily pay tax? Would anyone dem or rep do that if in his position? Of course not.
    Exactly. There is a huge difference between him failing to pay taxes or using illegally means to avoid paying taxes then to use the laws on the books that are open to all individuals and/or businesses. If people don't like the tax laws on the books then they should push to change them. Does anybody think Hillary will push for these tax changes in the face of all her corporate donors? Of course not. It's all pretty silly.
    Even before this is was widely know that he has been manipulating the stated values of his assets. When seeking loans he inflates the values, and when paying liabilities he states much lower values.
    Legal is all fine and good, but how Joe the Plumber types can overlook this shady behavior is beyond me.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    rgambs said:

    BS44325 said:

    Wobbie said:

    no taxes for 20 years? yup, downtrodden americans, he's the guy for you.

    It is a loss carryover if the story is correct. What is he supposed to do, just voluntarily pay tax? Would anyone dem or rep do that if in his position? Of course not.
    Exactly. There is a huge difference between him failing to pay taxes or using illegally means to avoid paying taxes then to use the laws on the books that are open to all individuals and/or businesses. If people don't like the tax laws on the books then they should push to change them. Does anybody think Hillary will push for these tax changes in the face of all her corporate donors? Of course not. It's all pretty silly.
    Even before this is was widely know that he has been manipulating the stated values of his assets. When seeking loans he inflates the values, and when paying liabilities he states much lower values.
    Legal is all fine and good, but how Joe the Plumber types can overlook this shady behavior is beyond me.
    This is correct. Certainly what he did is legal in every way so the question is does this tick the average person off? I'm not exactly sure. His supporters seem to be buying the "I'm a good businessman and this is what any good business man would do" line along with the "why would I pay the government a penny more then I have to when this government is so corrupt and incompetent". A plumber, be it Joe or someone else, runs a small business and doesn't look to pay more in tax. Maybe the plumber gets it?
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,989
    The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

    He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,548

    The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

    He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money

    Yep.
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

    He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money

    That is ridiculous. Businesses take risks...sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. The "smart" businessman knows how to shield themselves and/or how to sustain a loss while still moving forward. That number is massive on our scale but not massive at Trump's scale. The fact that he took that loss and yet is where he is today in business shows that he is indeed "smart". Again this is so silly except to the novice.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    BS44325 said:

    The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

    He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money

    That is ridiculous. Businesses take risks...sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. The "smart" businessman knows how to shield themselves and/or how to sustain a loss while still moving forward. That number is massive on our scale but not massive at Trump's scale. The fact that he took that loss and yet is where he is today in business shows that he is indeed "smart". Again this is so silly except to the novice.
    You sure are twisting yourself out of shape here trying to spin this in a positive light. I can't see how losing almost a billion dollars is "smart" by any metric.

    Trump is the poster boy for the phrase "it's not what you know, it's who you know".
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    I don't know how conservatives can defend Trump for taking advantage of the system in this way. Conservatives are always the first to rage against those money spongers taking advantage of welfare and other government systems. How is this any different? Other than Trump is fucking you, the taxpayer, a lot harder.
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,548
    The government loses billions every day. :)
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    The government loses billions every day. :)

    "Loses" often means "pays living wages to multitudes" and "accomplishes many tasks", just because you disagree with spending doesn't mean it is lost money. Sometimes it is lost though for sure.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    dignin said:

    I don't know how conservatives can defend Trump for taking advantage of the system in this way. Conservatives are always the first to rage against those money spongers taking advantage of welfare and other government systems. How is this any different? Other than Trump is fucking you, the taxpayer, a lot harder.

    Yeah, that's the most infuriating thing about lower middle class GOP supporters.
    You are lifetimes from that kind of wealth and heartbeats from needing government assistance and it's the welfare queen that pisses you off?
    It's no wonder people think you are stupid lol
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,989
    BS44325 said:

    The tax issue is simple. It shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money.

    He keeps saying that it shows he is "smart"...it doesn't, it shows that he lost a MASSIVE amount of money

    That is ridiculous. Businesses take risks...sometimes they win and sometimes they lose. The "smart" businessman knows how to shield themselves and/or how to sustain a loss while still moving forward. That number is massive on our scale but not massive at Trump's scale. The fact that he took that loss and yet is where he is today in business shows that he is indeed "smart". Again this is so silly except to the novice.
    The smart guy doesn't lose that money bud. Especially one who is privately wealthy.

    He squandered (I'm guessing) about 33% of his net worth on those casinos (which is what caused the losses...along with Trump Airlines). Sorry but a smart guy doesn't do that...an idiot does that.

    I prepared about 800 tax returns this year...how many did you do?
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