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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,552
      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/world-exposed-place-tear-gas-palestine-171226141202232.html
    Aida refugee camp, occupied West Bank - A Palestinian refugee camp in the occupied West Bank may be the most exposed place to tear gas in the world, according to the author of a new study.

    The Human Rights Centre of the University of California at Berkeley recently reported that Israel's security forces have carried out a "widespread", "frequent" and "indiscriminate" use of tear gas against Palestinian refugees in Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem.

    The report - said to be the first to analyse the effects of tear gas in the West Bank - found that 100 percent of the more than 200 Palestinian residents surveyed in Aida camp were exposed to tear gas over the past year.

    The report, No Safe Space: Health Consequences of Tear Gas Exposure Among Palestine Refugees, collected testimonies last summer in Aida and the nearby Dheisheh refugee camp.

    "We found that the constant and unpredictable use of tear gas in Palestine refugee camps has a devastating effect on the mental and physical health of residents," said the report's co-author, Dr Rohini Haar, a researcher at the UC Berkeley centre and a doctor with Physicians for Human Rights.

    The effects, Haar told Al Jazeera, are especially harmful on "the most vulnerable, including pregnant women, children, the elderly, and people already in ill health".
    Salman Abu Sitta: Jerusalem is Palestinian longer than London is English

    The report surveyed 236 residents of Aida, all of whom said they were exposed to tear gas in the last year.

    Of that, 84 percent of people said they were exposed while in their homes.

    As its name implies, tear gas is intended to cause a person's eyes to water and skin to burn.

    Residents also told the report's authors that the Israeli army's use of tear gas was "primarily unprovoked".

    The Israeli army did not respond to Al Jazeera's request for comment on the study's findings.
    Densely populated camp

    Refugee camps are among the most vulnerable to tear-gas exposure in the occupied Palestinian territories, the report states.

    Home to about 6,400 Palestinian refugees, Aida covers just 0.017 square kilometres, making it one of the most densely populated places in the world.

    Clashes between Israeli security forces and Aida camp residents are frequent, with the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) estimating that at least 376 confrontations took place between January 2014 and December 15 of this year, the report stated.

    "Our life here in the camp is filled with tear gas, filled with stun grenades, filled with skunk water," said 30-year-old resident Sabreen, the mother of a Palestinian prisoner, referring to a foul-smelling liquid frequently sprayed by the Israeli army on Palestinian protesters and homes across the West Bank.

    "It is the life of a refugee. What can we do?" added Sabreen, who did not give Al Jazeera her last name.

    Two years ago, an Israeli soldier was filmed warning the camp's residents: "People of Aida refugee camp, we are the occupation forces. You throw stones, and we will hit you with gas until you all die. The children, the youth, the old people - you will all die."

    Firing tear gas near homes violates the UN Code of Conduct and the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials, the report stated.

    It also explained that homes and schools are not designed to shield against tear gas, leaving residents with few options to avoid it or reduce its effects.

    Last Friday, Al Jazeera saw the Israeli army fired hundreds of tear-gas canisters into a small crowd of protesters in an area bordering Aida camp. Limited clashes also spread into the camp, where Israeli soldiers responded with more tear gas.

    "I came back home from a wedding, and I found 25 gas canisters near my home," said Sana, a resident of the camp, who also did not give Al Jazeera her last name.

    Many residents of the camp have taken to wearing gas masks to protect themselves, though they are difficult to obtain and costly.
    Devastating effects

    According to Dr Haar, regular exposure to tear gas can affect "all [the] body['s] systems".

    In the report, residents described various physical effects from such frequent exposure to tear gas, including losses of consciousness, miscarriages, trouble breathing, asthma, coughing, dizziness, rashes, severe pain, allergic dermatitis, headaches, neurological irritability and even blunt trauma from being hit by tear gas canisters.

    "Everybody's system is affected by this," Dr Haar said.

    The Israeli army's frequent use of tear gas has also had left residents with psychological scars.

    Because of the random nature of the Israeli raids, Aida camp residents find them themselves "perpetually on edge, fearing the next attack", according to the report.

    Amal Manasra, 27, a resident of Aida, told Al Jazeera her infant daughter was recently exposed to tear gas after a canister fired by the Israeli army landed near a door to her home.

    "The oxygen level was zero ... She was suffocating ... We carried her to the hospital ... She spent seven days there," Amal said.

    "We are in an area we are exposed to shootings daily, to smelling tear gas. I have kids. The gas leaks into the house through windows and from under the door," she said.
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    Dr Haar told Al Jazeera that "no one else experiences this level of tear gas".
    'It is poison'

    The protests against US President Donald Trump's recent recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital have increased Palestinians' exposure to tear gas, the study found.

    Meanwhile, Palestinians have also alleged that the gas has become more potent.

    "This is not tear gas; it is poison," Thaer, another Aida camp resident, told Al Jazeera.

    While tear gas is usually composed of a mixture of synthetic or naturally occurring gases, including pepper spray, "the specific chemical utilised by the [Israeli security forces] in recent years is unknown", the report stated.

    According to Dr Haar, "the Israeli government is obligated to disclose the composition of the tear gas" it uses so medical professionals can treat the symptoms the chemicals cause.

    Meanwhile, Chris Gunness, UNRWA spokesperson, said the "report raises serious concerns about the use of tear gas in heavily built-up areas such as the refugee camps in Bethlehem".

    "The widespread, indiscriminate and frequent use of tear gas exposes refugees including our own staff to health risks, but at this stage, it is impossible for health professionals to fully assess these risks and the long-term impact of prolonged and regular exposure," Gunness told Al Jazeera.

    "It is clear that the psychological impact on young people surveyed is significant and that the development and educational prospects of children are being affected."

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  • mickeyrat said:
      https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/world-exposed-place-tear-gas-palestine-171226141202232.html
    Aida refugee camp, occupied West Bank - A Palestinian refugee camp in the occupied West Bank may be the most exposed place to tear gas in the world, according to the author of a new study.

    The Human Rights Centre of the University of California at Berkeley recently reported that Israel's security forces have carried out a "widespread", "frequent" and "indiscriminate" use of tear gas against Palestinian refugees in Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem.

    The report - said to be the first to analyse the effects of tear gas in the West Bank - found that 100 percent of the more than 200 Palestinian residents surveyed in Aida camp were exposed to tear gas over the past year.

    The report, No Safe Space: Health Consequences of Tear Gas Exposure Among Palestine Refugees, collected testimonies last summer in Aida and the nearby Dheisheh refugee camp.

    "We found that the constant and unpredictable use of tear gas in Palestine refugee camps has a devastating effect on the mental and physical health of residents," said the report's co-author, Dr Rohini Haar, a researcher at the UC Berkeley centre and a doctor with Physicians for Human Rights.

    The effects, Haar told Al Jazeera, are especially harmful on "the most vulnerable, including pregnant women, children, the elderly, and people already in ill health".
    Salman Abu Sitta: Jerusalem is Palestinian longer than London is English

    The report surveyed 236 residents of Aida, all of whom said they were exposed to tear gas in the last year.

    Of that, 84 percent of people said they were exposed while in their homes.

    As its name implies, tear gas is intended to cause a person's eyes to water and skin to burn.

    Residents also told the report's authors that the Israeli army's use of tear gas was "primarily unprovoked".

    The Israeli army did not respond to Al Jazeera's request for comment on the study's findings.
    Densely populated camp

    Refugee camps are among the most vulnerable to tear-gas exposure in the occupied Palestinian territories, the report states.

    Home to about 6,400 Palestinian refugees, Aida covers just 0.017 square kilometres, making it one of the most densely populated places in the world.

    Clashes between Israeli security forces and Aida camp residents are frequent, with the UN agency for Palestinian refugees (UNRWA) estimating that at least 376 confrontations took place between January 2014 and December 15 of this year, the report stated.

    "Our life here in the camp is filled with tear gas, filled with stun grenades, filled with skunk water," said 30-year-old resident Sabreen, the mother of a Palestinian prisoner, referring to a foul-smelling liquid frequently sprayed by the Israeli army on Palestinian protesters and homes across the West Bank.

    "It is the life of a refugee. What can we do?" added Sabreen, who did not give Al Jazeera her last name.

    Two years ago, an Israeli soldier was filmed warning the camp's residents: "People of Aida refugee camp, we are the occupation forces. You throw stones, and we will hit you with gas until you all die. The children, the youth, the old people - you will all die."

    Firing tear gas near homes violates the UN Code of Conduct and the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials, the report stated.

    It also explained that homes and schools are not designed to shield against tear gas, leaving residents with few options to avoid it or reduce its effects.

    Last Friday, Al Jazeera saw the Israeli army fired hundreds of tear-gas canisters into a small crowd of protesters in an area bordering Aida camp. Limited clashes also spread into the camp, where Israeli soldiers responded with more tear gas.

    "I came back home from a wedding, and I found 25 gas canisters near my home," said Sana, a resident of the camp, who also did not give Al Jazeera her last name.

    Many residents of the camp have taken to wearing gas masks to protect themselves, though they are difficult to obtain and costly.
    Devastating effects

    According to Dr Haar, regular exposure to tear gas can affect "all [the] body['s] systems".

    In the report, residents described various physical effects from such frequent exposure to tear gas, including losses of consciousness, miscarriages, trouble breathing, asthma, coughing, dizziness, rashes, severe pain, allergic dermatitis, headaches, neurological irritability and even blunt trauma from being hit by tear gas canisters.

    "Everybody's system is affected by this," Dr Haar said.

    The Israeli army's frequent use of tear gas has also had left residents with psychological scars.

    Because of the random nature of the Israeli raids, Aida camp residents find them themselves "perpetually on edge, fearing the next attack", according to the report.

    Amal Manasra, 27, a resident of Aida, told Al Jazeera her infant daughter was recently exposed to tear gas after a canister fired by the Israeli army landed near a door to her home.

    "The oxygen level was zero ... She was suffocating ... We carried her to the hospital ... She spent seven days there," Amal said.

    "We are in an area we are exposed to shootings daily, to smelling tear gas. I have kids. The gas leaks into the house through windows and from under the door," she said.
    READ MORE
    Israeli abuse against Palestinian minors rises: report

    Dr Haar told Al Jazeera that "no one else experiences this level of tear gas".
    'It is poison'

    The protests against US President Donald Trump's recent recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital have increased Palestinians' exposure to tear gas, the study found.

    Meanwhile, Palestinians have also alleged that the gas has become more potent.

    "This is not tear gas; it is poison," Thaer, another Aida camp resident, told Al Jazeera.

    While tear gas is usually composed of a mixture of synthetic or naturally occurring gases, including pepper spray, "the specific chemical utilised by the [Israeli security forces] in recent years is unknown", the report stated.

    According to Dr Haar, "the Israeli government is obligated to disclose the composition of the tear gas" it uses so medical professionals can treat the symptoms the chemicals cause.

    Meanwhile, Chris Gunness, UNRWA spokesperson, said the "report raises serious concerns about the use of tear gas in heavily built-up areas such as the refugee camps in Bethlehem".

    "The widespread, indiscriminate and frequent use of tear gas exposes refugees including our own staff to health risks, but at this stage, it is impossible for health professionals to fully assess these risks and the long-term impact of prolonged and regular exposure," Gunness told Al Jazeera.

    "It is clear that the psychological impact on young people surveyed is significant and that the development and educational prospects of children are being affected."

    Ironic, given their people’s history. But hey, who gives a fuck the US and Guatemala are moving their embassies to Jerusalem. Woot!

    Oh and please let us know when the “facts” on the ground change and Pearl Jam legitimizes an apartheid state by playing Israel.
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    Your first link professor is an opinion piece, spouting how the big bad Iranians will drive the Saudis into Israel's arms as the region's superpower. Do you really believe the Saudis will hide behind the Israelis? Are you serious? The keepers of Islam's most holy sites are going to rely on, partner with, open full diplomatic relations, etc. (or what?) with Israel? Wishful thinking without Israel doing something in return, something they'll never do: give up their nukes, make peace with Palestine in a two state solution, or allow full civil rights for Palestinians within Israel. The threat of Iran will not be enough to sway the masses. 

    Your second link states that Honduras, Sudan, Romania and the Philippines (and 6 others that Zipi refused to name, wonder why?) are considering moving their embassies to Jerusalem. Congratulations, must be proud to have dictators and despots embrace your apartheid state. Hey, but legitimacy is legitimacy, right professor? What was the Arab League's response to Team Trump Treason's announcement and why do you dismiss it?

    Your last link is regarding lame duck Chris Christie's administration severing ties with a Danish bank for its severing business or black listing two Israel defense contractors. So explain to me how the actions of the Israeli-American Coalition for Action is different from the BDS movement in squashing free speech and association? The IACA is a Fascist organization, I take it. Also, is blacklisting Israeli defense contractors, contractors who most likely make weapons systems that kill Palestinians the same as pressuring Lorde to cancel her concert in Israel? Is that your moral equivalency? Gee, the Jewish lobby is more powerful and better funded than BDS, who knew? Israel's tact seems to be to silence and punish anyone or any entity that is critical of Israeli policy. Is that democracy? Not surprising how the Israeli's throw elections in East Jerusalem. Israel must really fear BDS to be so against it.

    Dankse, the largest bank in Denmark with a customer base of over 3.5 million people, blacklisted two Israeli defense companies, Aryt Industries and Elbit Systems, from its customer investments.

    Thomas Hyldahl Kjærgaard, the bank’s head of responsible investments, told the Post at the time that “Danske Bank does not boycott Israel or Israeli companies as such, and we do not take part in the so-called BDS campaign targeting Israel.”

    Aryt Industries Ltd is an Israel-based company primarily engaged in the manufacture of detonators. The Company produces electronic detonators for military market, including proximity and time fuses for ammunition artillery, mortars, tanks and artillery rockets. The Company’s portfolio consists of proximity fuse for mortars, electronic time fuse for mortars, electronic point detonating fuse for mortars, electronic time fuse for artillery, proximity fuse for artillery, electronic time and distance fuse for tank anti-personnel applications, electronic time fuse for artillery rockets, electronic point detonating fuse for artillery rockets and electronic time fuse for artillery. Additionally, the Company is active in the development of customized electronic detonators for military market.

    Elbit Systems Ltd. is an Israel-based international defense electronics company engaged in a wide range of programs throughout the world. The company, which includes Elbit Systems and its subsidiaries, operates in the areas of aerospace, land and naval systems, command, control, communications, computers, intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance ("C4ISR"), unmanned aircraft systems ("UAS"), advanced electro-optics, electro-optic space systems, Electronic warfare suites, signal intelligence ("SIGINT") systems, data links and communications systems and radios.

    The Company also focuses on the upgrading of existing military platforms, developing new technologies for defense, homeland security and commercial aviation applications and providing a range of support services, including training and simulation systems.

    In 2013, Elbit Systems had approximately 12,000 employees, the majority of whom are engaged in engineering, research and development, and other technical areas.

    Elbit Systems' shares are traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange and OTC in the United States (NASDAQ:ESLT).

    A bank with a social conscious, ehh gads!

    Shouldn't a Danish bank be allowed who or which companies it wants to invest their shareholders deposits in? Wouldn't a democracy and free market stipulate that the depositors can walk with their deposits? Not when it involves an apartheid state such as Israel, I guess? But BDS is bad, bad, bad, right professor?

    I couldn't access the Jerusalem Post link as it wouldn't load despite multiple attempts. But I'm guessing its more of the same, a far reach that supposedly backs your neocon claims as it relates to Jerusalem and Israel's legitimacy. More spin, spin, spin of BS.

    Happy now Benjs?


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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 13,138
    Israel is going to name a new train station after Donald Trump

    I can't make this shit up lol
  • my2hands said:
    Israel is going to name a new train station after Donald Trump

    I can't make this shit up lol
    They’ll sell D gauge gold plated Team Trump Treason Train sets.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,552
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 5,903
    edited December 2017
    BS44325 said:
    You may celebrate a 21 year old female from little New Zealand being bullied to stay out of Israel 
    You seem to be inferring that her age and sex would make her more easily swayed, or less informed?  If not, why mention either?  Lame.
    And yet Bibi’s own Goebbels recognizes Lorde’s demo as the single most important in fighting bds:

    “I’m not looking to speak to people who already agree with me,” said Luntz. Anti-BDS messaging, he argued, needs to be tailored to Democrats, women and people under 29 – demographics he identified as most likely to sympathize with the Palestinian struggle for human rights.

    His findings are similar to those of a recent Pew survey that found a dramatic increase in support for Palestinians in the Democratic Party’s liberal base.

    “I want to speak young, I want to speak left and I want to speak to the women,” which requires “promoting equality” and “promoting human rights,” Luntz explained

    “I want you to focus on democratic language. I want you to focus on language to the left. I want you to imagine when you are communicating Israel that you are speaking to a 21-year-old college Democrat woman,” Luntz advised. “That’s the people that you need to reach out to.”
    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/copy-bds-tactics-pro-israel-activists-told-un-conference


    Lorde was not silenced; she was educated and brave enough to admit a mistake.  Downplay it all you want.  BDS continues to make gains.  The democratic socialist party voted nearly unanimously to support bds yesterday.  If BDS wasn’t regularly making these gains, the polls above would be vastly different and trending in the other direction, Frank luntz wouldn’t be speaking at propaganda seminars, and all the anti-democratic payola legislation you keep trumpeting would not be necessary.  
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,153
    The street is really mad...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946

    Oh wait... they are mad about their own domestic problems and the tyranny of the mullahs and not about embassies.

    "There were also chants in Mashhad of "not Gaza, not Lebanon, my life for Iran", a reference to what protesters say is the administration's focus on foreign policy rather than domestic issues."

    The collapse of the Iranian regime is inevitable and when it comes Hamas and Hezbollah will lose their financial backing and the Palestinian people might at that point have the opportunity to choose peace. The world is changing and the rejectionists many on here are enabling will fall. 


  • BS44325 said:
    The street is really mad...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946

    Oh wait... they are mad about their own domestic problems and the tyranny of the mullahs and not about embassies.

    "There were also chants in Mashhad of "not Gaza, not Lebanon, my life for Iran", a reference to what protesters say is the administration's focus on foreign policy rather than domestic issues."

    The collapse of the Iranian regime is inevitable and when it comes Hamas and Hezbollah will lose their financial backing and the Palestinian people might at that point have the opportunity to choose peace. The world is changing and the rejectionists many on here are enabling will fall. 


    “Inevitable?” Is that a fact on the ground, Professor? Drama much?
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  • Which comes first? The “inevitable” collapse of the Iranian regime or the impending impeachment of Team Trump Treason? 
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  • BS44325 said:
    The street is really mad...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946

    Oh wait... they are mad about their own domestic problems and the tyranny of the mullahs and not about embassies.

    "There were also chants in Mashhad of "not Gaza, not Lebanon, my life for Iran", a reference to what protesters say is the administration's focus on foreign policy rather than domestic issues."

    The collapse of the Iranian regime is inevitable and when it comes Hamas and Hezbollah will lose their financial backing and the Palestinian people might at that point have the opportunity to choose peace. The world is changing and the rejectionists many on here are enabling will fall. 


    The look of the “imminent”collapse.

    Iran Holds Pro-Government Rallies After Economic Protests - The New York Times https://apple.news/A35pJu0YYS0uzs7sJXAPJYw
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,153
    BS44325 said:
    The street is really mad...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946

    Oh wait... they are mad about their own domestic problems and the tyranny of the mullahs and not about embassies.

    "There were also chants in Mashhad of "not Gaza, not Lebanon, my life for Iran", a reference to what protesters say is the administration's focus on foreign policy rather than domestic issues."

    The collapse of the Iranian regime is inevitable and when it comes Hamas and Hezbollah will lose their financial backing and the Palestinian people might at that point have the opportunity to choose peace. The world is changing and the rejectionists many on here are enabling will fall. 


    The look of the “imminent”collapse.

    Iran Holds Pro-Government Rallies After Economic Protests - The New York Times https://apple.news/A35pJu0YYS0uzs7sJXAPJYw
    Ah yes...the New York Times will barely cover the protests on the ground but will hype the regime sanctions pro-government rallies. You and them are invested in theocracy through your precious Iran deal. Unfortunately the Iranian people disagree. The missed opportunity of 2009 will not be missed again. Freedom is on the march and whether it results in the overthrow of the regime or a brutal crushing of dissent you will be on the wrong side.
  • BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The street is really mad...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42512946

    Oh wait... they are mad about their own domestic problems and the tyranny of the mullahs and not about embassies.

    "There were also chants in Mashhad of "not Gaza, not Lebanon, my life for Iran", a reference to what protesters say is the administration's focus on foreign policy rather than domestic issues."

    The collapse of the Iranian regime is inevitable and when it comes Hamas and Hezbollah will lose their financial backing and the Palestinian people might at that point have the opportunity to choose peace. The world is changing and the rejectionists many on here are enabling will fall. 


    The look of the “imminent”collapse.

    Iran Holds Pro-Government Rallies After Economic Protests - The New York Times https://apple.news/A35pJu0YYS0uzs7sJXAPJYw
    Ah yes...the New York Times will barely cover the protests on the ground but will hype the regime sanctions pro-government rallies. You and them are invested in theocracy through your precious Iran deal. Unfortunately the Iranian people disagree. The missed opportunity of 2009 will not be missed again. Freedom is on the march and whether it results in the overthrow of the regime or a brutal crushing of dissent you will be on the wrong side.
    Yup, sure. Because you’ve been spot on so many times in the past? Trump has not a fucking clue. Nor do you.
     
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,552
    uh huh....

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-pipeline/israeli-pipeline-once-a-link-to-iran-will-remain-a-mystery-idUSKBN1EP0C3?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a48e08104d301168bcc8f92&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook


    Israeli pipeline, once a link to Iran, will remain a mystery

    Reuters Staff

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An oil pipeline company established decades ago by Israel and Iran, and a new Israeli company that is meant to replace it, can continue to operate secretly, an Israeli parliamentary committee ruled on Sunday.
    Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co. (EAPC) oil storage containers are seen on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea in the southern city of Ashkelon January 27, 2015. REUTERS/Amir Cohen

    The Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co (EAPC) was a joint venture set up in 1968, when the two nations were friendly, to transport Iranian oil via Israel to the Mediterranean. Ties were cut after Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution, and the enemies are now locked in arbitration that could be worth billions of dollars.

    Although Iranian oil no longer flows through the pipeline, EAPC has become a major distributor of oil in Israel, with ambitions to become a leading trade hub.

    It also added a reverse-flow system so oil from the Black or Caspian Seas can be shipped from Eilat, Israel’s southernmost city and port, to southern Asia and the Far East, and increased its storage capacity for traders in the region.


    Israel, worried about national security, maintains tight control over EAPC, to the extent that articles about its business dealings must pass through the military censor.

    Instead of renewing EAPC’s concession, which came up this year, Israel formed a new company with the same initials, the Europe Asia Pipeline Co, owned by the government. It will take over the original EAPC’s responsibilities by September, with an option to extend the handover period an additional six months.

    Parliament’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee said in a statement on Sunday that it had extended the gag order on EAPC for five more years and broadened it to include the new company, known as EAPC-B, as well.

    Calls to end the secrecy surrounding EAPC emerged after its pipe burst in 2014, spilling millions of liters of oil into a desert nature reserve in Israel’s worst spill.

    After an Israeli environmental group petitioned the Supreme Court, the gag order was narrowed slightly to exclude issues like environmental impact and safety measures. The company’s primary dealings, including the sources of oil and how it is used, are still under censorship.

    Reporting by Ari Rabinovitch, editing by Larry King

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  • mickeyrat said:
    uh huh....

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-pipeline/israeli-pipeline-once-a-link-to-iran-will-remain-a-mystery-idUSKBN1EP0C3?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a48e08104d301168bcc8f92&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook


    Israeli pipeline, once a link to Iran, will remain a mystery

    Reuters Staff

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An oil pipeline company established decades ago by Israel and Iran, and a new Israeli company that is meant to replace it, can continue to operate secretly, an Israeli parliamentary committee ruled on Sunday.
    Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co. (EAPC) oil storage containers are seen on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea in the southern city of Ashkelon January 27, 2015. REUTERS/Amir Cohen

    The Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co (EAPC) was a joint venture set up in 1968, when the two nations were friendly, to transport Iranian oil via Israel to the Mediterranean. Ties were cut after Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution, and the enemies are now locked in arbitration that could be worth billions of dollars.

    Although Iranian oil no longer flows through the pipeline, EAPC has become a major distributor of oil in Israel, with ambitions to become a leading trade hub.

    It also added a reverse-flow system so oil from the Black or Caspian Seas can be shipped from Eilat, Israel’s southernmost city and port, to southern Asia and the Far East, and increased its storage capacity for traders in the region.


    Israel, worried about national security, maintains tight control over EAPC, to the extent that articles about its business dealings must pass through the military censor.

    Instead of renewing EAPC’s concession, which came up this year, Israel formed a new company with the same initials, the Europe Asia Pipeline Co, owned by the government. It will take over the original EAPC’s responsibilities by September, with an option to extend the handover period an additional six months.

    Parliament’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee said in a statement on Sunday that it had extended the gag order on EAPC for five more years and broadened it to include the new company, known as EAPC-B, as well.

    Calls to end the secrecy surrounding EAPC emerged after its pipe burst in 2014, spilling millions of liters of oil into a desert nature reserve in Israel’s worst spill.

    After an Israeli environmental group petitioned the Supreme Court, the gag order was narrowed slightly to exclude issues like environmental impact and safety measures. The company’s primary dealings, including the sources of oil and how it is used, are still under censorship.

    Reporting by Ari Rabinovitch, editing by Larry King

    Say one thing, do another. It’s the BS self serving way.
     
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    Happy 2018 another yr & no Pearl Jam in Israel that is a certainty !
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,552
    mickeyrat said:
    uh huh....

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-pipeline/israeli-pipeline-once-a-link-to-iran-will-remain-a-mystery-idUSKBN1EP0C3?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a48e08104d301168bcc8f92&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook


    Israeli pipeline, once a link to Iran, will remain a mystery

    Reuters Staff

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An oil pipeline company established decades ago by Israel and Iran, and a new Israeli company that is meant to replace it, can continue to operate secretly, an Israeli parliamentary committee ruled on Sunday.
    Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co. (EAPC) oil storage containers are seen on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea in the southern city of Ashkelon January 27, 2015. REUTERS/Amir Cohen

    The Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co (EAPC) was a joint venture set up in 1968, when the two nations were friendly, to transport Iranian oil via Israel to the Mediterranean. Ties were cut after Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution, and the enemies are now locked in arbitration that could be worth billions of dollars.

    Although Iranian oil no longer flows through the pipeline, EAPC has become a major distributor of oil in Israel, with ambitions to become a leading trade hub.

    It also added a reverse-flow system so oil from the Black or Caspian Seas can be shipped from Eilat, Israel’s southernmost city and port, to southern Asia and the Far East, and increased its storage capacity for traders in the region.


    Israel, worried about national security, maintains tight control over EAPC, to the extent that articles about its business dealings must pass through the military censor.

    Instead of renewing EAPC’s concession, which came up this year, Israel formed a new company with the same initials, the Europe Asia Pipeline Co, owned by the government. It will take over the original EAPC’s responsibilities by September, with an option to extend the handover period an additional six months.

    Parliament’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee said in a statement on Sunday that it had extended the gag order on EAPC for five more years and broadened it to include the new company, known as EAPC-B, as well.

    Calls to end the secrecy surrounding EAPC emerged after its pipe burst in 2014, spilling millions of liters of oil into a desert nature reserve in Israel’s worst spill.

    After an Israeli environmental group petitioned the Supreme Court, the gag order was narrowed slightly to exclude issues like environmental impact and safety measures. The company’s primary dealings, including the sources of oil and how it is used, are still under censorship.

    Reporting by Ari Rabinovitch, editing by Larry King

    Say one thing, do another. It’s the BS self serving way.
     
    a few questions come to mind, was this a direct pipeline? or if it wasnt , where is the waystation located? obvious answer to that is Syria. IF thats the case, it bolsters the theory the Israel was buying ISIS oil and thats how the transfer happened. Since its now or has been a backflow line to the east , it has to have a pumping station midpoint or several along that route. where are they located?
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  • mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    uh huh....

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-pipeline/israeli-pipeline-once-a-link-to-iran-will-remain-a-mystery-idUSKBN1EP0C3?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a48e08104d301168bcc8f92&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook


    Israeli pipeline, once a link to Iran, will remain a mystery

    Reuters Staff

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An oil pipeline company established decades ago by Israel and Iran, and a new Israeli company that is meant to replace it, can continue to operate secretly, an Israeli parliamentary committee ruled on Sunday.
    Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co. (EAPC) oil storage containers are seen on the shore of the Mediterranean Sea in the southern city of Ashkelon January 27, 2015. REUTERS/Amir Cohen

    The Eilat-Ashkelon Pipeline Co (EAPC) was a joint venture set up in 1968, when the two nations were friendly, to transport Iranian oil via Israel to the Mediterranean. Ties were cut after Iran’s 1979 Islamic revolution, and the enemies are now locked in arbitration that could be worth billions of dollars.

    Although Iranian oil no longer flows through the pipeline, EAPC has become a major distributor of oil in Israel, with ambitions to become a leading trade hub.

    It also added a reverse-flow system so oil from the Black or Caspian Seas can be shipped from Eilat, Israel’s southernmost city and port, to southern Asia and the Far East, and increased its storage capacity for traders in the region.


    Israel, worried about national security, maintains tight control over EAPC, to the extent that articles about its business dealings must pass through the military censor.

    Instead of renewing EAPC’s concession, which came up this year, Israel formed a new company with the same initials, the Europe Asia Pipeline Co, owned by the government. It will take over the original EAPC’s responsibilities by September, with an option to extend the handover period an additional six months.

    Parliament’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee said in a statement on Sunday that it had extended the gag order on EAPC for five more years and broadened it to include the new company, known as EAPC-B, as well.

    Calls to end the secrecy surrounding EAPC emerged after its pipe burst in 2014, spilling millions of liters of oil into a desert nature reserve in Israel’s worst spill.

    After an Israeli environmental group petitioned the Supreme Court, the gag order was narrowed slightly to exclude issues like environmental impact and safety measures. The company’s primary dealings, including the sources of oil and how it is used, are still under censorship.

    Reporting by Ari Rabinovitch, editing by Larry King

    Say one thing, do another. It’s the BS self serving way.
     
    a few questions come to mind, was this a direct pipeline? or if it wasnt , where is the waystation located? obvious answer to that is Syria. IF thats the case, it bolsters the theory the Israel was buying ISIS oil and thats how the transfer happened. Since its now or has been a backflow line to the east , it has to have a pumping station midpoint or several along that route. where are they located?
    Shhhhhhhh, you don’t say? Say one thing, do another. I believe there was reputable reporting in the past that Israel was indeed buying ISIS oil from Syria and Iraq. But that hypocrisy, funding terrorism, should be covered up by the inevitable collapse of the Iranian regime.
     
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  • https://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-paper-claims-israel-biggest-buyer-of-islamic-state-oil/

    Who here is surprised? Except maybe the apartheid regime denier?
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  • Isn’t it great that the US sends $5BB a year to Israel and they turn around and support terrorism?
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,153
    Isn’t it great that the US sends $5BB a year to Israel and they turn around and support terrorism?
    Don’t worry...the US won’t feel the need to keep sending all that money wants your Ayatollah goes down. Let’s call it a win - win.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,681
    BS44325 said:
    Isn’t it great that the US sends $5BB a year to Israel and they turn around and support terrorism?
    Don’t worry...the US won’t feel the need to keep sending all that money wants your Ayatollah goes down. Let’s call it a win - win.
    Yea right, even after the inevitable collapse of the mullahs, Israel will want a raise. So, you’re okay with Israeli support of terrorism? Like a true believer in the apartheid state.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,552
    "democracy" in action , showing how much Israel wants a peace deal....

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerusalem/israel-changes-law-to-make-it-harder-to-cede-jerusalem-control-idUSKBN1ER0B1?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a4b2f2204d30148e243910a&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

    January 2, 2018 / 1:34 AM / Updated 3 hours ago

    Israel changes law to make it harder to cede Jerusalem control

    4 Min Read

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel’s parliament passed an amendment on Tuesday that would make it harder for it to cede control over parts of Jerusalem in any peace deal with the Palestinians, who condemned the move as undermining any chance to revive talks on statehood.

    The legislation, sponsored by the far-right Jewish Home coalition party, raises to 80 from 61 the number of votes required in the 120-seat Knesset to approve any proposal to hand over part of the city to “a foreign party”.

    Last month U.S. President Donald Trump angered the Palestinians, Middle East leaders and world powers by recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    As home to major Muslim, Jewish and Christian holy sites, Jerusalem’s status is one of the most sensitive issues in the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Trump’s Dec. 6 decision sparked regional protests and prompted the Palestinians to rule out Washington as a peace broker in any future talks.

    Nabil Abu Rdainah, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, described Trump’s policy shift on Jerusalem and the passage of the amendment as “a declaration of war against the Palestinian people”.

    “The vote clearly shows that the Israeli side has officially declared an end to the so-called political process,” Abu Rdainah said, referring to U.S.-sponsored talks on Palestinian statehood that collapsed in 2014.

    Israel captured East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and annexed it in a move not recognized internationally. It says the entire city is its “eternal and indivisible” capital.

    Palestinians seek to make East Jerusalem the capital of a state they seek to establish in the occupied West Bank and in the Gaza Strip.

    The amendment, long in the legislative pipeline, was passed with 64 lawmakers voting in favor and 52 against.

    Opposition head Isaac Herzog said Jewish Home was leading Israel “toward a terrible disaster”. Jewish Home’s leader, Naftali Bennett, said the vote showed that Israel would keep control of all of Jerusalem forever.

    “There will be no more political skulduggery that will allow our capital to be torn apart,” Bennett said on Twitter.

    A bid to revive Israeli-Palestinian negotiations led by the president’s adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has so far shown no progress.

    On Sunday, Netanyahu’s Likud party unanimously urged legislators in a non-binding resolution to effectively annex Israeli settlements built in the West Bank.

    Political commentators said the decision (Trump‘s?) might bolster right-wing support for Netanyahu, who could seek a public mandate in an early election while he awaits possible criminal indictments against him on corruption suspicions. He denies wrongdoing.

    Parliamentary elections are not due until November 2019 but the police investigations in two cases of alleged corruption against Netanyahu and tensions among coalition partners in his government could hasten a poll.

    Some commentators, pointing to an existing law that already sets a similar high threshold for handing over territory in a land-for-peace deal, have said Jewish Home was essentially competing with Likud for support among the right-wing base.

    (Refiles to add dropped word in paragraph 6)

    Reporting by Maayan Lubell, additional reporting by Ali Sawafta in Ramallah; Editing by Jeffrey Heller and Raissa Kasolowsky



     

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,681
    mickeyrat said:
    "democracy" in action , showing how much Israel wants a peace deal....

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerusalem/israel-changes-law-to-make-it-harder-to-cede-jerusalem-control-idUSKBN1ER0B1?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a4b2f2204d30148e243910a&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

    January 2, 2018 / 1:34 AM / Updated 3 hours ago

    Israel changes law to make it harder to cede Jerusalem control

    4 Min Read

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel’s parliament passed an amendment on Tuesday that would make it harder for it to cede control over parts of Jerusalem in any peace deal with the Palestinians, who condemned the move as undermining any chance to revive talks on statehood.

    The legislation, sponsored by the far-right Jewish Home coalition party, raises to 80 from 61 the number of votes required in the 120-seat Knesset to approve any proposal to hand over part of the city to “a foreign party”.

    Last month U.S. President Donald Trump angered the Palestinians, Middle East leaders and world powers by recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    As home to major Muslim, Jewish and Christian holy sites, Jerusalem’s status is one of the most sensitive issues in the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Trump’s Dec. 6 decision sparked regional protests and prompted the Palestinians to rule out Washington as a peace broker in any future talks.

    Nabil Abu Rdainah, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, described Trump’s policy shift on Jerusalem and the passage of the amendment as “a declaration of war against the Palestinian people”.

    “The vote clearly shows that the Israeli side has officially declared an end to the so-called political process,” Abu Rdainah said, referring to U.S.-sponsored talks on Palestinian statehood that collapsed in 2014.

    Israel captured East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and annexed it in a move not recognized internationally. It says the entire city is its “eternal and indivisible” capital.

    Palestinians seek to make East Jerusalem the capital of a state they seek to establish in the occupied West Bank and in the Gaza Strip.

    The amendment, long in the legislative pipeline, was passed with 64 lawmakers voting in favor and 52 against.

    Opposition head Isaac Herzog said Jewish Home was leading Israel “toward a terrible disaster”. Jewish Home’s leader, Naftali Bennett, said the vote showed that Israel would keep control of all of Jerusalem forever.

    “There will be no more political skulduggery that will allow our capital to be torn apart,” Bennett said on Twitter.

    A bid to revive Israeli-Palestinian negotiations led by the president’s adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has so far shown no progress.

    On Sunday, Netanyahu’s Likud party unanimously urged legislators in a non-binding resolution to effectively annex Israeli settlements built in the West Bank.

    Political commentators said the decision (Trump‘s?) might bolster right-wing support for Netanyahu, who could seek a public mandate in an early election while he awaits possible criminal indictments against him on corruption suspicions. He denies wrongdoing.

    Parliamentary elections are not due until November 2019 but the police investigations in two cases of alleged corruption against Netanyahu and tensions among coalition partners in his government could hasten a poll.

    Some commentators, pointing to an existing law that already sets a similar high threshold for handing over territory in a land-for-peace deal, have said Jewish Home was essentially competing with Likud for support among the right-wing base.

    (Refiles to add dropped word in paragraph 6)

    Reporting by Maayan Lubell, additional reporting by Ali Sawafta in Ramallah; Editing by Jeffrey Heller and Raissa Kasolowsky



     

    They want it all to themselves and have no intention of sharing. Never did and never will. Apartheid state.
     
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 17,373
    edited January 3
    mickeyrat said:
    "democracy" in action , showing how much Israel wants a peace deal....

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-jerusalem/israel-changes-law-to-make-it-harder-to-cede-jerusalem-control-idUSKBN1ER0B1?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5a4b2f2204d30148e243910a&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

    January 2, 2018 / 1:34 AM / Updated 3 hours ago

    Israel changes law to make it harder to cede Jerusalem control

    4 Min Read

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel’s parliament passed an amendment on Tuesday that would make it harder for it to cede control over parts of Jerusalem in any peace deal with the Palestinians, who condemned the move as undermining any chance to revive talks on statehood.

    The legislation, sponsored by the far-right Jewish Home coalition party, raises to 80 from 61 the number of votes required in the 120-seat Knesset to approve any proposal to hand over part of the city to “a foreign party”.

    Last month U.S. President Donald Trump angered the Palestinians, Middle East leaders and world powers by recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

    As home to major Muslim, Jewish and Christian holy sites, Jerusalem’s status is one of the most sensitive issues in the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Trump’s Dec. 6 decision sparked regional protests and prompted the Palestinians to rule out Washington as a peace broker in any future talks.

    Nabil Abu Rdainah, a spokesman for Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, described Trump’s policy shift on Jerusalem and the passage of the amendment as “a declaration of war against the Palestinian people”.

    “The vote clearly shows that the Israeli side has officially declared an end to the so-called political process,” Abu Rdainah said, referring to U.S.-sponsored talks on Palestinian statehood that collapsed in 2014.

    Israel captured East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and annexed it in a move not recognized internationally. It says the entire city is its “eternal and indivisible” capital.

    Palestinians seek to make East Jerusalem the capital of a state they seek to establish in the occupied West Bank and in the Gaza Strip.

    The amendment, long in the legislative pipeline, was passed with 64 lawmakers voting in favor and 52 against.

    Opposition head Isaac Herzog said Jewish Home was leading Israel “toward a terrible disaster”. Jewish Home’s leader, Naftali Bennett, said the vote showed that Israel would keep control of all of Jerusalem forever.

    “There will be no more political skulduggery that will allow our capital to be torn apart,” Bennett said on Twitter.

    A bid to revive Israeli-Palestinian negotiations led by the president’s adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has so far shown no progress.

    On Sunday, Netanyahu’s Likud party unanimously urged legislators in a non-binding resolution to effectively annex Israeli settlements built in the West Bank.

    Political commentators said the decision (Trump‘s?) might bolster right-wing support for Netanyahu, who could seek a public mandate in an early election while he awaits possible criminal indictments against him on corruption suspicions. He denies wrongdoing.

    Parliamentary elections are not due until November 2019 but the police investigations in two cases of alleged corruption against Netanyahu and tensions among coalition partners in his government could hasten a poll.

    Some commentators, pointing to an existing law that already sets a similar high threshold for handing over territory in a land-for-peace deal, have said Jewish Home was essentially competing with Likud for support among the right-wing base.

    (Refiles to add dropped word in paragraph 6)

    Reporting by Maayan Lubell, additional reporting by Ali Sawafta in Ramallah; Editing by Jeffrey Heller and Raissa Kasolowsky



     

    They want it all to themselves and have no intention of sharing. Never did and never will. Apartheid state.
     
    Pretty much if they could they would round up all Palestinians and ship them off to a uninhabited Island ..
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    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,552
    Trump threatens to cut off aid, direct and indirect until and unless Palestinians come back to tbe "negotiating" table.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,681
    mickeyrat said:
    Trump threatens to cut off aid, direct and indirect until and unless Palestinians come back to tbe "negotiating" table.
    Team Trump Treason is fucking over everyone he can while he can.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,681
    I guess Lorde isn’t the only one. Are you going to point out which ones are female and one hit wonders, Professor? Maybe quote some Fat White Family lyrics?

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jan/05/lordes-artistic-right-to-cancel-gig-in-tel-aviv

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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,153
    I guess Lorde isn’t the only one. Are you going to point out which ones are female and one hit wonders, Professor? Maybe quote some Fat White Family lyrics?

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jan/05/lordes-artistic-right-to-cancel-gig-in-tel-aviv

    It is her right...never argued it wasn’t...I only argued that she was bullied into the decision which i stand by. Interesting thing about that list though...no members of PJ. Hmmmm....

    More important then that list of 56 is what the leaders of the Arab world are saying

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/world/middleeast/egypt-jerusalem-talk-shows.html

    After all that is the only thing that matters. The Roger Waters All Star band will have minimal to no effect.
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