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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,438
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    It’s about cheaper eggs. Hate to break it to you. You really should travel to Tehran and talk “to the street.”
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 10,798
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
    He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
    I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them.  I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,383
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
    He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
    I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them.  I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

    Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,438
    edited January 7
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
    He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
    I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them.  I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

    Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

    You should read Team Muller’s Mandate. It’s far reaching and all encompassing. I guess only Hillary Clinton has to follow the letter of the law. Your  hypocrisy is stinking, Professor.

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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 10,798
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
    He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
    I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them.  I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

    Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

    You are putting too many words in my mouth.  The toehold comment (I wasn't clear so not really your fault) was about where it will end, not where or why it began.
    It is no witch hunt, even Hannity knows that!
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,383
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
    He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
    I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them.  I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

    Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

    You should read Team Muller’s Mandate. It’s far reaching and all encompassing. I guess only Hillary Clinton has to follow the letter of the law. Your  hypocrisy is stinking, Professor.

    Oh I get that it is wide ranging but still appreciate your admission that you just want a hunt for a crime. If it was a cop on the street you would be disgusted by that type of approach but as long as the investigators are pointing at Trump then it’s game on! 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,784
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    what position is that exactly? Hmm? Far as I can tell his nly position is that the deal was bad for us and that Iran got away with murder as it were. other than that, I havent seen anything that suggests an actual belief about much of anything other than his own self-determined greatness.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 13,784
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
    He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
    I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them.  I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

    Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

    link contains the letter making the appointment of Sp Pros. Look at section b and all 3 subsections......

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,438
    edited January 7
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Trump should hire you, you always find a way to give his blunders and ignorance a positive spin.
    Of course, everything you say is laughable bullshit, but it's sure better than anything Sanders is able to conjure.

    We are talking about the guy who literally can't read an entire policy brief, the guy who was so ignorant on world affairs that his staff had to set up a special training session full of charts and graphs and with his name peppered throughout so that they could hold his attention.
    But, no, I'm sure that's all part of his master plan and you'll explain it to us afterwards.
    Yes...he’s a total moron who accidentally keeps accomplishing most of his agenda while at the same time he is a cunning hitlarian genius who masterfully colluded with Russia to steal the election. At some point you’ll all have to square that circle. Two sides of the same coin? 
    He hasn't accomplished shit and everyone knows it, you can parrot Hannity all day but it won't make either of you right.
    I don't believe he's done anything in his life masterfully, aside from convincing other idiots that he's not one of them.  I don't think the collusion stole the election, I do think it's a great toehold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he's been doing for the Russian mob.

    Ha. The special prosecutor is a “great toe hold for nailing him on the money laundering it appears he has been doing for the Russian mob”. Where do you come up with that crap? Steve Bannon? But you’re the sane one parroting nobodies talking points. Also I’m glad you admit why you want the special prosecutor in place. It isn’t about “collusion” but a totally different crime that he wasn’t even appointed to investigate. You pretty much confirm the belief by some that this is nothing more then a witch hunt. You’re trying to reverse an election you lost via other means. What a patriot!

    You should read Team Muller’s Mandate. It’s far reaching and all encompassing. I guess only Hillary Clinton has to follow the letter of the law. Your  hypocrisy is stinking, Professor.

    Oh I get that it is wide ranging but still appreciate your admission that you just want a hunt for a crime. If it was a cop on the street you would be disgusted by that type of approach but as long as the investigators are pointing at Trump then it’s game on! 

    I believe Team Trump Treason colluded with Russia to ensure a victory over Hillary. Putin has been developing and grooming Trump for years. Team Mueller will lay it all out in legal filings and those charged will be offered an opportunity to defend themselves, unlike the repubes’ witch hunts of the past. Money laundering is but one charge. There will be others.
     
     
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,906
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    rgambs said:
    No no, I have it on good authority that his tweet was smarter than anything Obama said.

    I still can't figure out if BS really believes this stuff or if he's just taking us for a ride.
    I believe it. So did people in Obama’s administration.

    https://youtu.be/3gf-gjbnktM

    Silence was the wrong approach then. It is the wrong approach now.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/01/03/the-west-should-stop-dithering-and-show-its-support-for-the-protesters-in-iran/

    And Sharansky is no Trump fan.


    Well then let me highlight Larison's point on why that likely isn't what the a protester would want..

    Iran hawks love to present themselves as friends of the Iranian people so long as they think Iranians are prepared to do what they want (i.e., overthrow the regime), but every policy they support is aimed at impoverishing, harming, vilifying, and excluding Iranians. It is just a little too obviously two-faced to fool anyone. It is no surprise that Iranians remember this and have no interest in receiving “support” from the people that otherwise want to bomb them or strangle their country into submission
    Except Trump is not your typical Iran Hawk. He isn’t for nation building or for a policy that would negatively harm the Iranian people. He is “America First” and no doubt understands that the Iranian people are “Iran First”. These two needs of different countries do not have to be at cross-purposes. If anything his position is far more honest and authentic and can align well with an Iranian people that want freedom from the mullahs and freedom from interference. Trump isn’t tainted by 40 years of failed foreign policy and has the flexibility to chart a new course. As I said since the primaries that a Trump win would come with certain under appreciated advantages. His stance on Iraq, disingenuous or not, positioned himself well to respond to this issue.


    Okay, so what precisely is he for and how does he accomplish it?  Because I haven't actually heard/seen a cogent strategy of how to rescind the JPOA, increase sanctions while not hurting the Iranian people.  Please detail how that will be accomplished.  
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,287
    GG obliterates Bill Maher!



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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,287
    Iran just dumped the USD for the EURO as its trading currency.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-currency-euro/iran-switches-from-dollar-to-euro-for-official-reporting-currency-idUSKBN1HP25W

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a bold prediction: The US will soon topple the Iranian government say within a year.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,438
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    JC29856 said:
    Iran just dumped the USD for the EURO as its trading currency.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-currency-euro/iran-switches-from-dollar-to-euro-for-official-reporting-currency-idUSKBN1HP25W

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a bold prediction: The US will soon topple the Iranian government say within a year.
    Is Tesm Trump Treason going to over throw China, Russia and Pakistan too?

    https://www.rt.com/business/422472-russia-china-petro-yuan/

    Must be some Team Mueller news about to break. And the link is a certain poster’s favorite news source so it can be fully trusted and is balanced.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,906
    JC29856 said:
    Iran just dumped the USD for the EURO as its trading currency.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-currency-euro/iran-switches-from-dollar-to-euro-for-official-reporting-currency-idUSKBN1HP25W

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a bold prediction: The US will soon topple the Iranian government say within a year.
    "We shall go onto the end... we shall fight in Iran.. We shall fight on the seas and Earth... we shall fight, with GROWING CONFIDENCE AND STRENGTH IN THE AIR"..

    A true act of war by Iran.  This cannot stand.  
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    Does the Ayatollah drive around Tehran in his own car?
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,017
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,092
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
    True. But, as we learned from the Iraqi debacle, Iran wouldn't necessarily need to be behind such an attack to become part of the narrative about the attack.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,287
    edited April 24
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
    I'm guessing the overthrow will resemble Libya more than Iraq.
    I'm sensing an "awakening" to the US hegemonic behaviors (reference Syria).
    Isn't Iran #1 on Isreals hitlist?
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  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,017
    JimmyV said:
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
    True. But, as we learned from the Iraqi debacle, Iran wouldn't necessarily need to be behind such an attack to become part of the narrative about the attack.
    Very true.  The way things have played out with pipelines in relation to these wars, there could also be a Euro energy crisis pinned on Iran.  

    JC29856 said:
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
    I'm guessing the overthrow will resemble Libya more than Iraq.
    I'm sensing an "awakening" to the US hegemonic behaviors (reference Syria).
    Isn't Iran #1 on Isreals hitlist?
    No way the Libyan approach works in Iran.  Russia and China would not abstain on a security council no-fly vote in Iran like they did in Libya.  Also, I doubt Iran would fall from aerial bombardment alone, it would take a ground invasion.  The most likely scenario is trying to duplicate what's been done in Syria with extremist sunni foreign fighters doing the dirty work...regime change and/or balkanization as the end goal. 
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,287


    JC29856 said:
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
    I'm guessing the overthrow will resemble Libya more than Iraq.
    I'm sensing an "awakening" to the US hegemonic behaviors (reference Syria).
    Isn't Iran #1 on Isreals hitlist?
    No way the Libyan approach works in Iran.  Russia and China would not abstain on a security council no-fly vote in Iran like they did in Libya.  Also, I doubt Iran would fall from aerial bombardment alone, it would take a ground invasion.  The most likely scenario is trying to duplicate what's been done in Syria with extremist sunni foreign fighters doing the dirty work...regime change and/or balkanization as the end goal. 
    Agree on China, not sure what leverage Russia has. I meant the Iran takeover will be more covert/CIA assisted. We will lend a helping hand in chaos from rebel groups, collapse the economy, make life more miserable for its citizens than create an event that requires military intervention.
    Irans military budget is $18B, ours (with the help of Democrats) INCREASED by $80B! I think we spend more than the next 10 countries combined!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,438
    JC29856 said:


    JC29856 said:
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
    I'm guessing the overthrow will resemble Libya more than Iraq.
    I'm sensing an "awakening" to the US hegemonic behaviors (reference Syria).
    Isn't Iran #1 on Isreals hitlist?
    No way the Libyan approach works in Iran.  Russia and China would not abstain on a security council no-fly vote in Iran like they did in Libya.  Also, I doubt Iran would fall from aerial bombardment alone, it would take a ground invasion.  The most likely scenario is trying to duplicate what's been done in Syria with extremist sunni foreign fighters doing the dirty work...regime change and/or balkanization as the end goal. 
    Agree on China, not sure what leverage Russia has. I meant the Iran takeover will be more covert/CIA assisted. We will lend a helping hand in chaos from rebel groups, collapse the economy, make life more miserable for its citizens than create an event that requires military intervention.
    Irans military budget is $18B, ours (with the help of Democrats) INCREASED by $80B! I think we spend more than the next 10 countries combined!
    Never underestimate our acronym agencies.
    Ain’t happening, as much as Johnny “Lighting” Bolton would like to have his wet dream. Fools errand.
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    So, in light of NK and nukes, will Team Trump Treason just blow the fuck up the Iranian nuclear deal, and if so, and your Un, why would you go along? Why? 

    Stop believing the myth.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,438
    JC29856 said:


    JC29856 said:
    War with Iran won't happen over night.  It would take another pearl harbour or 9/11 for the public to get behind that.  
    I'm guessing the overthrow will resemble Libya more than Iraq.
    I'm sensing an "awakening" to the US hegemonic behaviors (reference Syria).
    Isn't Iran #1 on Isreals hitlist?
    No way the Libyan approach works in Iran.  Russia and China would not abstain on a security council no-fly vote in Iran like they did in Libya.  Also, I doubt Iran would fall from aerial bombardment alone, it would take a ground invasion.  The most likely scenario is trying to duplicate what's been done in Syria with extremist sunni foreign fighters doing the dirty work...regime change and/or balkanization as the end goal. 
    Agree on China, not sure what leverage Russia has. I meant the Iran takeover will be more covert/CIA assisted. We will lend a helping hand in chaos from rebel groups, collapse the economy, make life more miserable for its citizens than create an event that requires military intervention.
    Irans military budget is $18B, ours (with the help of Democrats) INCREASED by $80B! I think we spend more than the next 10 countries combined!
    Never underestimate our acronym agencies.
    Sounds like a failed Soviet Union directive circa 1979. But hey oh, Putin on the ritz has got to go, eh comrade?
     
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,906
    So, in light of NK and nukes, will Team Trump Treason just blow the fuck up the Iranian nuclear deal, and if so, and your Un, why would you go along? Why? 

    Stop believing the myth.
    That's right, if you think Trump is the least bit rational and logical in nature.  You could only presume that blowing up the Iran deal would lead to Trump eventually blowing NK, stopping NK from making one to start.  Unfortunately, you can never make that logical leap.  Trump's issue with the Iran deal is that Obama was successful.  Ironically, he bitches about the returning of the Iranian assets seized in 1980, but if you exit the deal, it's not let you get to take those back.  So wtf is the point? 

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,438
    Has anyone heard why Team Trump Treason thinks the Iranian deal is “insane?” I’m not sure Team Trump Treason could even articulate what the deal consists of. And you realize that you’re putting your faith in Rick Perry to be part of the NK nuclear negotiations, as opposed to the previous Energy Secretary? Good luck with that.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/30/asia/rouhani-macron-iran-deal-intl/index.html
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  • dignindignin Posts: 6,073
    What a dumb shit.
  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,325
    It's all in the plan to undo the Obama legacy.
    We've now reneged on a deal and we're not to be trusted.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 8,906
    The worst... an actual nuclear deal that worked.  Dealing with ballistic missiles or terrorism was never in scope with the deal.  This was about eliminating a nuclear threat.  The benefits to Iran were admittedly front loaded, but how does killing the deal after Iran got their cash back work at all?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 40,651

    Iran ‘prepared for all scenarios’ after Trump nixes nuclear deal, officials say


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-prepared-for-all-scenarios-if-trump-nixes-nuclear-deal-officials-say/2018/05/08/531047a0-5241-11e8-a6d4-ca1d035642ce_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.befdc678cca7&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1

    Iranian Pres. Hassan Rouhani said he has directed his diplomats to negotiate with European countries, Russia and China about remaining in the nuclear deal despite the U.S. withdrawal from the agreement.

    But Rouhani said Iran is ready to start unlimited uranium enrichment if these negotiations do not yield benefits in a couple of weeks.

    Iranian officials struck a defiant tone Tuesday as President Trump withdrew the United States from a landmark nuclear deal with Tehran, a move that reimposes harsh economic sanctions and could prompt Iran to restart suspended nuclear activities.

    Trump, a longtime critic of the 2015 agreement, announced his decision on the deal from the White House Tuesday afternoon, abandoning the accord that was signed under President Barack Obama.

    “The United States will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal,” Trump said in a televised speech. He called it “a horrible, one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made,” and he asserted that Iran harbors ambitions to build nuclear weapons.

    Trump said he would begin reinstating “powerful” U.S. nuclear-related sanctions against Iran. But he offered no specifics on the sanctions to be reimposed.

    The decision could trigger renewed U.S. sanctions on Iran’s oil sales and Central Bank, potentially disrupting Iran's global financial transactions and putting further pressure on its already volatile economy. It also could put European allies in a bind over whether to continue the economic dealmaking they launched with Iran since the accord was implemented in early 2016. The allies have stood firmly behind the accord, which was negotiated between Iran and six world powers: the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany.

    The allies could also suffer penalties under renewed U.S. sanctions, removing incentives to continue to invest in Iran.

    In his speech, Trump also accused Iran of destabilizing the Middle East through its support of militant groups such as Lebanon’s Hezbollah, and he charged that Tehran seeks to build “nuclear-capable” ballistic missiles.

    “If I allowed this deal to stand, there would soon be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East,” Trump asserted. “We cannot prevent an Iranian nuclear bomb under the decaying and rotten structure of the current agreement,” he added. “The Iran deal is defective at its core.”

    As part of the nuclear deal, Iran pledged never to “seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.” Iran’s supreme religious and political leader has declared nuclear weapons to be un-Islamic, saying that its nuclear program is aimed solely at producing energy and conducting medical research.

    Iranian leaders said Tuesday that the country would stand united in the face of any new sanctions or threats from the United States.

    Iran “could face some problems” if Trump restores sanctions, Rouhani said at a petroleum conference in the capital, Tehran, before Trump announced his decision. “But we will move on.”

    “If we are under sanctions or not, we should stand on our feet,” the Reuters news agency quoted him as saying.

    Rouhani's first vice president, Eshaq Jahangiri, said the government has “a plan for managing the country under any circumstances.”

    In remarks reported by Iran's Tasnim News Agency, Jahangiri, a popular reformist, said it would be “naive” to enter into negotiations with the United States again.

    The comments underscored a growing debate among political factions in Iran over what to do if after the U.S. withdrawal. Some politicians have urged the government to continue to work with Europe to salvage the accord, which lifted key international sanctions in exchange for curbs on Iran's nuclear program.

    “If the Europeans are willing to give us sufficient guarantees, it makes sense for us to stay in the deal,” the deputy speaker of Iran's parliament, Ali Motahari, said in remarks carried by the Iranian Students' News Agency.

    Motahari said Iran should wait several months to see whether Europe plans to resist U.S. pressure to disengage from the Iranian economy, where European companies have invested in sectors ranging from auto manufacturing to oil exploration and tourism.

    If Europe succeeds, “this is a victory for Iran, because it will have created a gap between the United States and Europe,” he said.

    But others have been less forgiving, urging Iran's leaders to immediately withdraw and restart suspended elements of the country's nuclear program if the United States left the deal. Fliers circulating online called for a rally in Iran's northeastern city of Mashhad to “set the JCPOA on fire.” The nuclear deal is also known as the JCPOA, or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

    The Iranian parliament’s Nuclear Committee published three actions that the government could take if Trump leaves the deal, including installing more centrifuges and enriching uranium beyond the levels allowed under the accord. Enriched uranium can be used as fuel for nuclear power plants or — if enriched at much higher levels — as fissile material for nuclear weapons.

    If Trump confronts Iran, “we will not remain passive,” the head of the National Security Council, Ali Shamkhani, said Tuesday in an interview with the Hamshahri newspaper.

    He said Europe made a mistake when its leaders appeased Trump by attempting to extract further concessions from Iran, including a potential halt to its ballistic missile program. The nuclear deal was the result of painstaking negotiations over two years between the Rouhani administration and the world powers, including the Obama administration.

    While Iran accepted severe limits to its nuclear program, including inspections, critics said the deal failed to address other problematic aspects of Iranian policy, including its missile development and support for militant groups in Iraq and Syria.

    “The Islamic Republic will stand firmly against this threat,” Shamkhani said of the Trump administration's stance.

    Even as Iranian leaders vowed to weather the storm, Iran's economy was already feeling the strain. Iran’s Central Bank governor, Valiollah Seif, downplayed any potential shock to Iranian markets, which have been roiled by high inflation and a collapsing currency.

    “We are prepared for all scenarios,” Seif said on state television. “If America pulls out of the deal, our economy will not be impacted.”

    But the Iranian rial was trading Tuesday at near record lows against the dollar, as Iranians looked to buy hard currency ahead of Trump’s announcement, economists said.

    According to Pratibha Thaker, an Iran expert at the Economist Intelligence Unit, a risk analysis group, Trump's withdrawal from the pact would accelerate regional insecurity, cause a dip in global oil supplies and plunge the Iranian economy into recession.

    “Anxiety, stress . . . [these are] people's feelings just hours before Mr. Trump's extraordinary decision,” an Iranian journalist, Amine Sherifkan, posted on Twitter.

    Worsening economic woes could spell trouble for Rouhani, a moderate cleric who championed the nuclear deal as a way to jump-start Iran’s economy and end the country’s isolation.

    Rouhani staked much of his political credibility on the nuclear deal with world powers. But even as oil exports picked up in the wake of the agreement, ordinary Iranians have said they felt few tangible benefits from the accord.

    Widespread economic unrest, currency fluctuations and a recent judicial ban on the popular messaging app, Telegram, have all weakened the president, analysts said. A collapse of the nuclear pact could weaken Rouhani further, giving room for hard-line opponents of the accord to exert more influence.

    “Rouhani is already under huge pressure,” said Saeid Hasanzadeh, an Iranian analyst based in Istanbul.

    He said that Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who wields ultimate religious and political authority in Iran, has distanced himself enough from the nuclear deal that its failure would be blamed on Rouhani.

    The supreme leader “did not take direct responsibility for the deal,” Hasanzadeh said. “So the responsibility falls entirely on Rouhani's shoulders.”


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