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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    PJ_Soul said:

    Iran ‘prepared for all scenarios’ after Trump nixes nuclear deal, officials say


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-prepared-for-all-scenarios-if-trump-nixes-nuclear-deal-officials-say/2018/05/08/531047a0-5241-11e8-a6d4-ca1d035642ce_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.befdc678cca7&wpisrc=al_news__alert-world--alert-national&wpmk=1

    Iranian Pres. Hassan Rouhani said he has directed his diplomats to negotiate with European countries, Russia and China about remaining in the nuclear deal despite the U.S. withdrawal from the agreement.

    But Rouhani said Iran is ready to start unlimited uranium enrichment if these negotiations do not yield benefits in a couple of weeks.

    Iranian officials struck a defiant tone Tuesday as President Trump withdrew the United States from a landmark nuclear deal with Tehran, a move that reimposes harsh economic sanctions and could prompt Iran to restart suspended nuclear activities.

    Trump, a longtime critic of the 2015 agreement, announced his decision on the deal from the White House Tuesday afternoon, abandoning the accord that was signed under President Barack Obama.

    “The United States will withdraw from the Iran nuclear deal,” Trump said in a televised speech. He called it “a horrible, one-sided deal that should have never, ever been made,” and he asserted that Iran harbors ambitions to build nuclear weapons.

    Trump said he would begin reinstating “powerful” U.S. nuclear-related sanctions against Iran. But he offered no specifics on the sanctions to be reimposed.

    The decision could trigger renewed U.S. sanctions on Iran’s oil sales and Central Bank, potentially disrupting Iran's global financial transactions and putting further pressure on its already volatile economy. It also could put European allies in a bind over whether to continue the economic dealmaking they launched with Iran since the accord was implemented in early 2016. The allies have stood firmly behind the accord, which was negotiated between Iran and six world powers: the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany.

    The allies could also suffer penalties under renewed U.S. sanctions, removing incentives to continue to invest in Iran.

    In his speech, Trump also accused Iran of destabilizing the Middle East through its support of militant groups such as Lebanon’s Hezbollah, and he charged that Tehran seeks to build “nuclear-capable” ballistic missiles.

    “If I allowed this deal to stand, there would soon be a nuclear arms race in the Middle East,” Trump asserted. “We cannot prevent an Iranian nuclear bomb under the decaying and rotten structure of the current agreement,” he added. “The Iran deal is defective at its core.”

    As part of the nuclear deal, Iran pledged never to “seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.” Iran’s supreme religious and political leader has declared nuclear weapons to be un-Islamic, saying that its nuclear program is aimed solely at producing energy and conducting medical research.

    Iranian leaders said Tuesday that the country would stand united in the face of any new sanctions or threats from the United States.

    Iran “could face some problems” if Trump restores sanctions, Rouhani said at a petroleum conference in the capital, Tehran, before Trump announced his decision. “But we will move on.”

    “If we are under sanctions or not, we should stand on our feet,” the Reuters news agency quoted him as saying.

    Rouhani's first vice president, Eshaq Jahangiri, said the government has “a plan for managing the country under any circumstances.”

    In remarks reported by Iran's Tasnim News Agency, Jahangiri, a popular reformist, said it would be “naive” to enter into negotiations with the United States again.

    The comments underscored a growing debate among political factions in Iran over what to do if after the U.S. withdrawal. Some politicians have urged the government to continue to work with Europe to salvage the accord, which lifted key international sanctions in exchange for curbs on Iran's nuclear program.

    “If the Europeans are willing to give us sufficient guarantees, it makes sense for us to stay in the deal,” the deputy speaker of Iran's parliament, Ali Motahari, said in remarks carried by the Iranian Students' News Agency.

    Motahari said Iran should wait several months to see whether Europe plans to resist U.S. pressure to disengage from the Iranian economy, where European companies have invested in sectors ranging from auto manufacturing to oil exploration and tourism.

    If Europe succeeds, “this is a victory for Iran, because it will have created a gap between the United States and Europe,” he said.

    But others have been less forgiving, urging Iran's leaders to immediately withdraw and restart suspended elements of the country's nuclear program if the United States left the deal. Fliers circulating online called for a rally in Iran's northeastern city of Mashhad to “set the JCPOA on fire.” The nuclear deal is also known as the JCPOA, or Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

    The Iranian parliament’s Nuclear Committee published three actions that the government could take if Trump leaves the deal, including installing more centrifuges and enriching uranium beyond the levels allowed under the accord. Enriched uranium can be used as fuel for nuclear power plants or — if enriched at much higher levels — as fissile material for nuclear weapons.

    If Trump confronts Iran, “we will not remain passive,” the head of the National Security Council, Ali Shamkhani, said Tuesday in an interview with the Hamshahri newspaper.

    He said Europe made a mistake when its leaders appeased Trump by attempting to extract further concessions from Iran, including a potential halt to its ballistic missile program. The nuclear deal was the result of painstaking negotiations over two years between the Rouhani administration and the world powers, including the Obama administration.

    While Iran accepted severe limits to its nuclear program, including inspections, critics said the deal failed to address other problematic aspects of Iranian policy, including its missile development and support for militant groups in Iraq and Syria.

    “The Islamic Republic will stand firmly against this threat,” Shamkhani said of the Trump administration's stance.

    Even as Iranian leaders vowed to weather the storm, Iran's economy was already feeling the strain. Iran’s Central Bank governor, Valiollah Seif, downplayed any potential shock to Iranian markets, which have been roiled by high inflation and a collapsing currency.

    “We are prepared for all scenarios,” Seif said on state television. “If America pulls out of the deal, our economy will not be impacted.”

    But the Iranian rial was trading Tuesday at near record lows against the dollar, as Iranians looked to buy hard currency ahead of Trump’s announcement, economists said.

    According to Pratibha Thaker, an Iran expert at the Economist Intelligence Unit, a risk analysis group, Trump's withdrawal from the pact would accelerate regional insecurity, cause a dip in global oil supplies and plunge the Iranian economy into recession.

    “Anxiety, stress . . . [these are] people's feelings just hours before Mr. Trump's extraordinary decision,” an Iranian journalist, Amine Sherifkan, posted on Twitter.

    Worsening economic woes could spell trouble for Rouhani, a moderate cleric who championed the nuclear deal as a way to jump-start Iran’s economy and end the country’s isolation.

    Rouhani staked much of his political credibility on the nuclear deal with world powers. But even as oil exports picked up in the wake of the agreement, ordinary Iranians have said they felt few tangible benefits from the accord.



    my concerns in bold but for the sweet baby jesus, why does the US keep fucking with everyone? I thought Team Trump Treason was the master negotiator and deal maker?
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,878
    Now he's the master reneger and deal reneger.  Pathetic.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    And let us not forget that Bibi is also under investigation in Israel and worried about keeping his position of power. Two corrupt politicians schemimng to take the heat off. No wonder they'll name a square after Team Trump Treason.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    more neocon bullshit. i thought we were through with this in 2008?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    Boeing and Airbus lost $39 billion worth of business due to Team Trump Treason reneging on the Iran deal. How many of Boeing’s employees vote?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,297
    repeal and replace worked so well on ACA , why not here too?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,297
    does he think europe wants to lose that business to be had there?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Boeing and Airbus lost $39 billion worth of business due to Team Trump Treason reneging on the Iran deal. How many of Boeing’s employees vote?

    in all due respect, who gives a fuck? its not about peoples jobs.. nor should itever be. its about peace. unfortunately in this case, peace is propoganda.  the US govt doesnt give a fuck about 'the people' or peace.  and especially in the middle east. if they did theyd stop supporting the apartheid govt of israel. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    more neocon bullshit. i thought we were through with this in 2008?
    C’mon man, Team Trump Treason is going to address the final two axis of evil once and for all during his first term and MAGA and by default the world.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    edited May 2018
    Crazy times. The world is sincerely asking if North Korea can trust America instead of the other way around. :dizzy: I really never saw that coming!
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Ya know what? 
    If Obama had gotten the Iran deal accomplished via treaty which requires Congressional approval, Trump would not have been able to do or undo as it were, what he did yesterday.  Would have been damn near impossible to reverse.
    I'd like to thank Obama for leaving a way out of the bad deal, that Iran never singed off on any way.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    RYME said:
    Ya know what? 
    If Obama had gotten the Iran deal accomplished via treaty which requires Congressional approval, Trump would not have been able to do or undo as it were, what he did yesterday.  Would have been damn near impossible to reverse.
    I'd like to thank Obama for leaving a way out of the bad deal, that Iran never singed off on any way.
    "Our number one priority is to see this Administration fail."

    So, what replaces the Iran deal? What is TTT going to do? What was so bad about the US verified and certified Iran deal that all 5 UN permanent Security Council members approved, along with the EU? Was Iran in compliance?
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    RYME said:
    Ya know what? 
    If Obama had gotten the Iran deal accomplished via treaty which requires Congressional approval, Trump would not have been able to do or undo as it were, what he did yesterday.  Would have been damn near impossible to reverse.
    I'd like to thank Obama for leaving a way out of the bad deal, that Iran never singed off on any way.
    I don't believe you understand the details of the "bad deal" at all and you only call it that because the leader of your cult of personality says so.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,824
    RYME said:
    Ya know what? 
    If Obama had gotten the Iran deal accomplished via treaty which requires Congressional approval, Trump would not have been able to do or undo as it were, what he did yesterday.  Would have been damn near impossible to reverse.
    I'd like to thank Obama for leaving a way out of the bad deal, that Iran never singed off on any way.
    That's Sasse's point, and I understand it.  The problem is that the GOP still has the hawks controlling it.  In 2015, there was no way the Senate was going to approve that deal.  Obama banked on Hillary winning, protecting the deal through 2020 at least.  It will be interesting to see if Trump puts any "treaty" through the Senate, and what happens then.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,824
    RYME said:
    Ya know what? 
    If Obama had gotten the Iran deal accomplished via treaty which requires Congressional approval, Trump would not have been able to do or undo as it were, what he did yesterday.  Would have been damn near impossible to reverse.
    I'd like to thank Obama for leaving a way out of the bad deal, that Iran never singed off on any way.
    Iran signed the deal.  What do you mean by that?
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,876
    mrussel1 said:
    RYME said:
    Ya know what? 
    If Obama had gotten the Iran deal accomplished via treaty which requires Congressional approval, Trump would not have been able to do or undo as it were, what he did yesterday.  Would have been damn near impossible to reverse.
    I'd like to thank Obama for leaving a way out of the bad deal, that Iran never singed off on any way.
    Iran signed the deal.  What do you mean by that?
    Clearly making up points fed from somewhere else to support Trump without understanding why.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    catefrances said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Boeing and Airbus lost $39 billion worth of business due to Team Trump Treason reneging on the Iran deal. How many of Boeing’s employees vote?

    in all due respect, who gives a fuck? its not about peoples jobs.. nor should itever be. its about peace. unfortunately in this case, peace is propoganda.  the US govt doesnt give a fuck about 'the people' or peace.  and especially in the middle east. if they did theyd stop supporting the apartheid govt of israel. 
    Oh but it is about people’s jobs, particularly in defense industries. I just happen to care more about civilian related jobs, passenger jets, rather than defense related jobs, fighter jets and related munitions. But that’s just me.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    rgambs said:
    RYME said:
    Ya know what? 
    If Obama had gotten the Iran deal accomplished via treaty which requires Congressional approval, Trump would not have been able to do or undo as it were, what he did yesterday.  Would have been damn near impossible to reverse.
    I'd like to thank Obama for leaving a way out of the bad deal, that Iran never singed off on any way.
    I don't believe you understand the details of the "bad deal" at all and you only call it that because the leader of your cult of personality says so.

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    So, when are the 4 US hostages coming home?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,924
    So pulling out of deal means Israel can have free reign !
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    josevolution said:
    So pulling out of deal means Israel can have free reign !
    yes. free reign to retaliate for attacks that were in response to israel's initial attacks. it is like punching someone, getting punched back and complaining about it, and then punching back saying you are retaliating for the time you got punched for no reason.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,924
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    josevolution said:
    So pulling out of deal means Israel can have free reign !
    yes. free reign to retaliate for attacks that were in response to israel's initial attacks. it is like punching someone, getting punched back and complaining about it, and then punching back saying you are retaliating for the time you got punched for no reason.
    Exactly this administration has basically given them carte Blanche and we sit here wondering why we are despised by most of the Muslim world ..
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,297
      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    mickeyrat said:
      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

    What are you trying to say with this " "mickeyrat" "???

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,297
    i_lov_it said:
    mickeyrat said:
      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

    What are you trying to say with this " "mickeyrat" "???

    that its an opinion piece worth reading?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,824
    mickeyrat said:
    i_lov_it said:
    mickeyrat said:
      https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/closing-deal-iran-jcpoa-180512115208725.html

    What are you trying to say with this " "mickeyrat" "???

    that its an opinion piece worth reading?
    It was interesting and I agree with the general point about the admin's strategy being questionable.  They would probably argue, internally, that killing the deal sends a message to NK that a similar deal won't be struck with them.  But of course NK is much further along in the process and can actually deploy a nuclear warhead, whereas Iran cannot.  NK is probably playing to influence China, in particular, and showing that they are starting from a position of good faith.  They released some prisoners (and Trump thanks them, like it was okay to take them to start.. WTF).  It would not surprise me that NK has no intention of signing any deal of any significance, and can point to Trump's destruction of the Iran deal as evidence why.  Further, Trump also raised the bar for himself on two fronts.. 1. the deal has to be better than JCPOA and 2. It has to get Senate ratification.  Trump not honoring Obama's signature means NK cannot trust Trump's.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,988
    edited May 2018


    Maverick cleric’s election upset could rattle U.S.-Iraq relations



    Since I don't support the USA's position in the region, this doesn't sound so bad to me... At least he's not a complete religious fanatic.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    catefrances said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Boeing and Airbus lost $39 billion worth of business due to Team Trump Treason reneging on the Iran deal. How many of Boeing’s employees vote?

    in all due respect, who gives a fuck? its not about peoples jobs.. nor should itever be. its about peace. unfortunately in this case, peace is propoganda.  the US govt doesnt give a fuck about 'the people' or peace.  and especially in the middle east. if they did theyd stop supporting the apartheid govt of israel. 
    Oh but it is about people’s jobs, particularly in defense industries. I just happen to care more about civilian related jobs, passenger jets, rather than defense related jobs, fighter jets and related munitions. But that’s just me.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    Actions have consequences. What’s Tough guy Team Trump Treason going to do now and what might the very honorable Un be thinking? Try to square that.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,360
    Team Trump Treason going to use his gut in negotiations? Has he had poutine?
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