Benghazi Findings

InHiding80

Bentleyspop said:

Im going to guess that 99.9% of the foxnews viewers could not find Benghazi on a map if you held their hand and pointed to it.

Or Baltimore for that matter

They don't even know the name of the victims. Even the families are tired of the fake "caring" about this. If Dubya pulled this crap, they wouldn't care, but because black president this is "magically" worse than Halliburton.

Gotta love that above the law con "logic".

rr165892

mickeyrat said:

You mean the movie was fiction? It cant be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-cia-chief-in-benghazi-challenges-film-version-of-2012-attack/2016/01/15/9cf2defc-baf7-11e5-b682-4bb4dd403c7d_story.html?tid=sm_fb

mickeyrat said:

You mean the movie was fiction? It cant be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-cia-chief-in-benghazi-challenges-film-version-of-2012-attack/2016/01/15/9cf2defc-baf7-11e5-b682-4bb4dd403c7d_story.html?tid=sm_fb

mickeyrat said:

You mean the movie was fiction? It cant be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-cia-chief-in-benghazi-challenges-film-version-of-2012-attack/2016/01/15/9cf2defc-baf7-11e5-b682-4bb4dd403c7d_story.html?tid=sm_fb

That's not what the article said.Sounds to me the Chief was covering his ass.Either way no support arrived for like 8 hrs.If it wasn't a stand down then it was incompetence.Plain and simple.

Gern Blansten

you need to read the Senate report that the GOP had drawn up. No stand down order...didn't happen. No air support anywhere near Benghazi. The planes in Italy were there for training and were not equipped for support of any type.

rr165892

I'm sure we coulda rounded up a jet,armed drone or blackhawk from somewhere in the region during the 12 hours.Dont ya think?Again maybe no stand down order given,that can be debated but systemic failure to support our people.An ambassador and staff should never be stationed without proper American armed forces support.Espescially in an area that was a known hot bed of insurgent activity.espescially In light of the destabilized Libyan govt and turmoil following Khadafis fall.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

you need to read the Senate report that the GOP had drawn up. No stand down order...didn't happen. No air support anywhere near Benghazi. The planes in Italy were there for training and were not equipped for support of any type.

You believe that horseshit about support?

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

you need to read the Senate report that the GOP had drawn up. No stand down order...didn't happen. No air support anywhere near Benghazi. The planes in Italy were there for training and were not equipped for support of any type.

You believe that horseshit about support?

uh yeah....the CIA and the republicans that wrote the senate report do as well

take off your tin foil hat

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

I'm sure we coulda rounded up a jet,armed drone or blackhawk from somewhere in the region during the 12 hours.Dont ya think?Again maybe no stand down order given,that can be debated but systemic failure to support our people.An ambassador and staff should never be stationed without proper American armed forces support.Espescially in an area that was a known hot bed of insurgent activity.espescially In light of the destabilized Libyan govt and turmoil following Khadafis fall.

If you read the report you will see that consideration was given to how many people would die trying to "help".

Four people died...that's unfortunate but it's better than those four plus 30 others that may have been shot down in a helicopter.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

you need to read the Senate report that the GOP had drawn up. No stand down order...didn't happen. No air support anywhere near Benghazi. The planes in Italy were there for training and were not equipped for support of any type.

You believe that horseshit about support?

uh yeah....the CIA and the republicans that wrote the senate report do as well

take off your tin foil hat

Gern,kiss my ass with that tin foil hat nonsense.Im not one of your right wing Christian wackos that you soap box standing,Obama can do no wrong liberals like to pontificate about.
Take the politics out of it and boil it down to the raw data.Americans were in distress,no help was granted.
I don't care if it was one life.We are supposed to have the back of our people who are giving their lives for this country.And the powers that be failed to provide needed support.Ive listened to the actually guys fighting this battle talk about it.I put more stock in their words then some lame politician who's fat ass dosent have to be risked.

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

you need to read the Senate report that the GOP had drawn up. No stand down order...didn't happen. No air support anywhere near Benghazi. The planes in Italy were there for training and were not equipped for support of any type.

You believe that horseshit about support?

uh yeah....the CIA and the republicans that wrote the senate report do as well

take off your tin foil hat

Gern,kiss my ass with that tin foil hat nonsense.Im not one of your right wing Christian wackos that you soap box standing,Obama can do no wrong liberals like to pontificate about.
Take the politics out of it and boil it down to the raw data.Americans were in distress,no help was granted.
I don't care if it was one life.We are supposed to have the back of our people who are giving their lives for this country.And the powers that be failed to provide needed support.Ive listened to the actually guys fighting this battle talk about it.I put more stock in their words then some lame politician who's fat ass dosent have to be risked.

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

you need to read the Senate report that the GOP had drawn up. No stand down order...didn't happen. No air support anywhere near Benghazi. The planes in Italy were there for training and were not equipped for support of any type.

You believe that horseshit about support?

uh yeah....the CIA and the republicans that wrote the senate report do as well

take off your tin foil hat

Gern,kiss my ass with that tin foil hat nonsense.Im not one of your right wing Christian wackos that you soap box standing,Obama can do no wrong liberals like to pontificate about.
Take the politics out of it and boil it down to the raw data.Americans were in distress,no help was granted.
I don't care if it was one life.We are supposed to have the back of our people who are giving their lives for this country.And the powers that be failed to provide needed support.Ive listened to the actually guys fighting this battle talk about it.I put more stock in their words then some lame politician who's fat ass dosent have to be risked.

The GOP has beaten this situation to death. If you think they would sign off on the Senate report if it was inaccurate you need to reevaluate.

gimmesometruth27

this committee is still going on?

this one has lasted longer than the one investigating 9/11.

mickeyrat

Have they found and arrested all the perpetrators yet?

rr165892

The big issue isn't really the investigation,it's the inconsistency of reports from ALL the spec ops guys who were in the battle compared to what the Station Chief and politicians say.Either all the guys are lying or some politicians are.I know who I believe.

Bentleyspop

Here's the voice of reason when it comes to Benghazi. Wonder where he stands on dick cheney and karl rove leading the cover up of the friendly fire killing of Pat Tilman?

Ted Nugent Chimes in on Benghazi
http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=822429

Evidently Ted Nugent has seen Michael Bay’s “13 Hours” film about the terrorist attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya.  The rocker posted a message on his Facebook page saying President Obama and former Secretary of State / current Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton “should be tried for treason & hung."

Never one to hold back his opinions, Nugent has expressed his dislike for Obama and Clinton many times through the years.  Even before the 2008 election, while performing at the Feather Falls Casino & Lodge in Oroville, Calif., in 2007, the guitarist/NRA board member held up two rifles and told his audience, “I was in Chicago, I said, ‘Hey Obama, you might want to suck on one of these, you punk.’” 

Not content at aiming his anger at the then-freshman senator from Illinois, Nugent also expressed a few thoughts about Clinton, saying, “Hey Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”

Nine years later and the Gonzo Rocker still has a few issues with Obama and Clinton. From Nugent’s Facebook page:

“Our unholy rotten soulless criminal America destroying government killed 4 Americans in Banghazi. Period! What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives! Obama & Clinton, thats who. They should be tried for treason & hung. Our entire fkdup gvt must be cleansed asap.”

Nugent apparently knows more than the several Republican-led congressional committees that failed to place any blame on Clinton for the tragic events in Benghazi.  Note that he said “tried for treason & hung” rather than “tried for treason and, if found guilty, then hanged.” Maybe he skipped high school civics on the day that lesson was taught.

InHiding80

Ted Nugent seems to have no problem with Halliburtonghazzi for obvious reasons.

Smellyman

Bentleyspop said:

Here's the voice of reason when it comes to Benghazi. Wonder where he stands on dick cheney and karl rove leading the cover up of the friendly fire killing of Pat Tilman?

Ted Nugent Chimes in on Benghazi
http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=822429

Evidently Ted Nugent has seen Michael Bay’s “13 Hours” film about the terrorist attack on the U.S. Embassy in Libya.  The rocker posted a message on his Facebook page saying President Obama and former Secretary of State / current Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton “should be tried for treason & hung."

Never one to hold back his opinions, Nugent has expressed his dislike for Obama and Clinton many times through the years.  Even before the 2008 election, while performing at the Feather Falls Casino & Lodge in Oroville, Calif., in 2007, the guitarist/NRA board member held up two rifles and told his audience, “I was in Chicago, I said, ‘Hey Obama, you might want to suck on one of these, you punk.’” 

Not content at aiming his anger at the then-freshman senator from Illinois, Nugent also expressed a few thoughts about Clinton, saying, “Hey Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch.”

Nine years later and the Gonzo Rocker still has a few issues with Obama and Clinton. From Nugent’s Facebook page:

“Our unholy rotten soulless criminal America destroying government killed 4 Americans in Banghazi. Period! What sort of chimpass punk would deny security, turn down 61 requests for security, then tell US forces to STAND DOWN when they were ready to kickass on the allapukes & save American lives! Obama & Clinton, thats who. They should be tried for treason & hung. Our entire fkdup gvt must be cleansed asap.”

Nugent apparently knows more than the several Republican-led congressional committees that failed to place any blame on Clinton for the tragic events in Benghazi.  Note that he said “tried for treason & hung” rather than “tried for treason and, if found guilty, then hanged.” Maybe he skipped high school civics on the day that lesson was taught.

Millions Mourn As Rocker/Activist Ted Nugent, Age 67, Found Alive

Millions of Americans are in mourning after news broke this afternoon that rocker/activist Ted Nugent was still alive. Word broke early, spread quickly, and sent shock waves throughout the rock and roll community and the Republican Party, where Nugent, 67, is well-known for his fierce advocacy for conservative causes, unwavering support for the rights of gun owners and hunters, and ferocious loyalty and devotion to today’s true American patriots.

link

mickeyrat

Hmmmm, interesting.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hillary-clintons-new-unlikely-ally-in-email-controversy-colin-powell/2016/02/04/6d0bcc30-cb82-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html?tid=sm_fb


Also noted where House leadership basically said fuck no to another "investigation"

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

Hmmmm, interesting.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hillary-clintons-new-unlikely-ally-in-email-controversy-colin-powell/2016/02/04/6d0bcc30-cb82-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html?tid=sm_fb


Also noted where House leadership basically said fuck no to another "investigation"

Yeah it's ridiculous. The GOP just wants to keep it in the news...that's why every few days there's a new article about another classified email. There is nothing there.

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

Hmmmm, interesting.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hillary-clintons-new-unlikely-ally-in-email-controversy-colin-powell/2016/02/04/6d0bcc30-cb82-11e5-a7b2-5a2f824b02c9_story.html?tid=sm_fb


Also noted where House leadership basically said fuck no to another "investigation"

they grilled her for 11 hours and she made them look like amateurs. they had their witch hunt. they damaged her in the polls. bernie is gaining on her. they think bernie getting the nomination is a sure with for the gop. this has been a well played long game. they were not looking to nail her for anything specific. just looking to damage her. wouldn't they have found something by now?

Gern Blansten

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-release-preemptive-benghazi-report/story?id=40162406

The Democrats' 339-page report makes 21 findings it says "debunks many conspiracy theories about the attacks." Some of the findings have been shared in previous reports, such as the conclusion that "the State Department’s security measures in Benghazi were woefully inadequate," as this report puts it, and that the Defense Department could not have done anything differently that night to save lives.

It also seeks to counter an argument often made by Republicans: that the Obama administration lied about the attackers' motivations, blaming an anti-Muslim video for a inspiring a spontaneous attack, rather than concluding it was a coordinated action by terrorist militants.

"Administration officials did not make intentionally misleading statements about the attacks, but instead relied on information they were provided at the time under fast-moving circumstances," the report reads.

The report quotes March testimony from Gen. David Petraeus, who was the CIA director at the time of the attack.

"I’m still not absolutely certain what absolutely took place, whether it was a mix of people that are demonstrating with attackers in there, whether this is an organized demonstration to launch an attack, whether ... there was a protest and it grew out of the protest," Petraeus told the committee.

Petraeus said the video of the attack also makes it unclear if there were protesters mixed in with attackers.

Democrats' report also concludes that the committee found no evidence that Clinton personally denied any security requests from personnel in Benghazi.

The report also includes a 45-page indictment of Republicans' management of the committee and investigation, and claims the majority wasted time and resources for political purposes, while excluding Democrats from several witness meetings and interviews.

Aides to Gowdy and the majority staff did not immediately respond to ABC News' request for comment.

Republicans have also leveled criticism at Democrats throughout the process, and have accused them of coordinating with Clinton's campaign and refusing to help press the administration to fulfill document requests.

gimmesometruth27

is this STILL going on?

at this rate this will last at least the first half of her first term.

Kat

For all intents and purposes, I think it was over in October 2015.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/16/fox-news-finally-concedes-benghazi-committee-is/206217

Gern Blansten

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/us/politics/hillary-clinton-benghazi.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Ending one of the longest, costliest and most bitterly partisan congressional investigations in history, the House Select Committee on Benghazi issued its final report on Tuesday, finding no new evidence of culpability or wrongdoing by Hillary Clinton in the 2012 attacks in Libya that left four Americans dead.

The 800-page report, however, included some new details about the night of the attacks, and the context in which it occurred, and it delivered a broad rebuke of government agencies like the Defense Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and the State Department — and the officials who led them — for failing to grasp the acute security risks in the Libyan city, and especially for maintaining outposts in Benghazi that they could not protect.

The committee, led by Representative Trey Gowdy, Republican of South Carolina, also harshly criticized an internal State Department investigation that it said had allowed officials like Mrs. Clinton, then the secretary of state, to effectively choose who would investigate their actions. In addition, it reiterated Republicans’ complaints that the Obama administration had sought to thwart the investigation by withholding witnesses and evidence.

The report, however, did not dispute that United States military forces stationed in Europe could not have reached Benghazi in time to rescue the personnel who died — a central finding of previous inquiries.

Gern Blansten

Kat said:

For all intents and purposes, I think it was over in October 2015.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/16/fox-news-finally-concedes-benghazi-committee-is/206217

yep...I just saw that Fox News is posting an email between Hillary and Chelsea from that night light it was just revealed today.

Trey Gowdy is an idiot

gimmesometruth27

Gern Blansten said:

Kat said:

For all intents and purposes, I think it was over in October 2015.
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/16/fox-news-finally-concedes-benghazi-committee-is/206217

yep...I just saw that Fox News is posting an email between Hillary and Chelsea from that night light it was just revealed today.

Trey Gowdy is an idiot

to be fair, i saw an episode of forensic files from the early 2000s and gowdy was one of the attorneys on the case. he seemed like a good attorney. congressman, not so good.

Godfather.

Bentleyspop said:

Im going to guess that 99.9% of the foxnews viewers could not find Benghazi on a map if you held their hand and pointed to it.

Or Baltimore for that matter

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/28/house-benghazi-report-slams-administration-response-to-attacks.html?intcmp=hpbt1

not that really matters.

Godfather.

Godfather.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-republicans-fault-obama-administration-in-new-benghazi-report/

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im going to guess that 99.9% of the foxnews viewers could not find Benghazi on a map if you held their hand and pointed to it.

Or Baltimore for that matter

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/28/house-benghazi-report-slams-administration-response-to-attacks.html?intcmp=hpbt1

not that really matters.

Godfather.

"Chairman Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., asked Americans to "read this report for themselves ... and reach their own conclusions."

this is the ultimate cop out. he did not prove his case. he failed. if this were a trial, he would have lost.

Gern Blansten

Godfather. said:

Bentleyspop said:

Im going to guess that 99.9% of the foxnews viewers could not find Benghazi on a map if you held their hand and pointed to it.

Or Baltimore for that matter

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/28/house-benghazi-report-slams-administration-response-to-attacks.html?intcmp=hpbt1

not that really matters.

Godfather.

It doesn't matter...pure partisan bullshit that most of us see through.

Degeneratefk

Can this story finally be put to bed? The 7th or 8th newest report finds Clinton didn't do anything wrong. Are you people happy? How much more tax payer money does Ted Gowdy need to waste for you people to realize Clinton didn't murder those people?

Cliffy6745

$7 million of taxpayer money went to this latest report...and this party is the party concerned with government waste, right?

Can I get a refund?