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http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/House-panel-No-administration-wrongdoing-in-5663509.php

I can't tell you how many of my facebook "friends" I want to slap upside the head with this announcement. All of the misinformation that was being spewed out can finally be put to rest....or can it?
-- Intelligence agencies were "warned about an increased threat environment, but did not have specific tactical warning of an attack before it happened."

-- "A mixed group of individuals, including those associated with al Qaeda, (Moammar) Khadafy loyalists and other Libyan militias, participated in the attack."

-- "There was no 'stand-down order' given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, no illegal activity or illegal arms transfers occurring by U.S. personnel in Benghazi, and no American was left behind."

-- The administration's process for developing "talking points" was "flawed, but the talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis."
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,922
    BUT BENGHAZI!!!! Or something.
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    There's much much more to this than what we've been told.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
    unsung said:

    There's much much more to this than what we've been told.

    Such as?

    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    They were funneling arms out of there.
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    what findings?
    it was a cia op that worked with militias/jihadist/terrorists to destabilize Libya, freeze billions of dollars of assets, execute Gaddafi, and use Libya as a rear base in the drive for regime change in Syria.
    When U.S. personnel were airlifted from Benghazi the night of the attack, there were seven Foreign Service and State Department officers and 23 CIA officers onboard. This fact alone indicates that the consulate was primarily diplomatic cover for an intelligence operation that was known to Libyan militia groups.
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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,969
    Yeah I don't disagree there...a lot of people refer to it as our "embassy" that was attacked but it was a glorified CIA safe house. Regardless, all of the BS talking points that the GOP tried to get us to believe were horseshit.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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    rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    JC29856 said:

    what findings?
    it was a cia op that worked with militias/jihadist/terrorists to destabilize Libya, freeze billions of dollars of assets, execute Gaddafi, and use Libya as a rear base in the drive for regime change in Syria.
    When U.S. personnel were airlifted from Benghazi the night of the attack, there were seven Foreign Service and State Department officers and 23 CIA officers onboard. This fact alone indicates that the consulate was primarily diplomatic cover for an intelligence operation that was known to Libyan militia groups.

    This is pretty much happening at all our embassy's
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,922
    edited August 2014
    Embassies have long been covers for covert activity and intelligence gathering. This is not new and should not be surprising. Nor is it exclusive to the U.S.
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    rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    JimmyV said:

    Embassies have long been covers for covert activity and intelligence gathering. This is not new and should not be surprising. Nor is it exclusive to the U.S.

    Im fine with it,we just have to protect our assests and interests better
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    JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=85669
    Executive Order 13491 - Ensuring Lawful Interrogations
    January 22, 2009

    Sec. 4. Prohibition of Certain Detention Facilities, and Red Cross Access to Detained Individuals.

    (a) CIA Detention. The CIA shall close as expeditiously as possible any detention facilities that it currently operates and shall not operate any such detention facility in the future.

    When U.S. personnel were airlifted from Benghazi the night of the attack, there were seven Foreign Service and State Department officers and 23 CIA officers onboard.
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    rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    JC29856 said:

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=85669
    Executive Order 13491 - Ensuring Lawful Interrogations
    January 22, 2009

    Sec. 4. Prohibition of Certain Detention Facilities, and Red Cross Access to Detained Individuals.

    (a) CIA Detention. The CIA shall close as expeditiously as possible any detention facilities that it currently operates and shall not operate any such detention facility in the future.

    When U.S. personnel were airlifted from Benghazi the night of the attack, there were seven Foreign Service and State Department officers and 23 CIA officers onboard.

    Yeahhhhh,good luck with enforcing that.It just gets renamed a "safe house".And people getting interrogated aren't going to be prisoners they become confidential informants.See all nice and legal like.
    Politicians should stay out of our black book operations and leave that to the wizards behind the curtain.It is a necessary evil.
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    davidtriosdavidtrios Posts: 9,732
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    January 2 at 8:08am ·
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    Hillary Clinton said that it is O.K. to ban Muslims from Israel by building a WALL, but not O.K. to do so in the U.S. We must be vigilant!
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,800
    davidtrios said:

    Donald J. Trump


    January 2 at 8:08am ·
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    Hillary Clinton said that it is O.K. to ban Muslims from Israel by building a WALL, but not O.K. to do so in the U.S. We must be vigilant!

    Try to stay on topic. What does this ridiculous statement have to do with benghazi?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,162
    mickeyrat said:

    davidtrios said:

    Donald J. Trump


    January 2 at 8:08am ·
    .
    Hillary Clinton said that it is O.K. to ban Muslims from Israel by building a WALL, but not O.K. to do so in the U.S. We must be vigilant!

    Try to stay on topic. What does this ridiculous statement have to do with benghazi?
    nothing.

    but it is an old thread that needed to be bumped, kind of like the barack hussein obama one.
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    If Trump was responsible for Benghazzi, david and other stupid fans would defend him left and right because "r next to name on ballot."
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,162
    obama was not responsible for benghazi.

    the people that attacked it were responsible for benghazi.

    never, ever forget that it was the republican congress who cut the funding for embassy security. not the president.

    if trump were in charge at the time of the attacks he would have said "i tried to build a wall but the libyans wouldn't pay for it...."
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    obama was not responsible for benghazi.

    the people that attacked it were responsible for benghazi.

    never, ever forget that it was the republican congress who cut the funding for embassy security. not the president.

    if trump were in charge at the time of the attacks he would have said "i tried to build a wall but the libyans wouldn't pay for it...."

    Not suggesting Obama was responsible since I believe in that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing. Just pointing out the double standard of those who accuse him.
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited January 2016
    So the 3 Military guys that quit their jobs and are exposing Benghazi for what is was are liars?? What would they have to gain from quitting the military to expose the truth...do people really hate the GOP that much to come up with these conspiracy theories and why isn't it done by people with the Democraps?
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    edited January 2016
    pjalive21 said:

    So the 3 Military guys that quit their jobs and are exposing Benghazi for what is was are liars?? What would they have to gain from quitting the military to expose the truth...do people really hate the GOP that much to come up with these conspiracy theories and why isn't it done by people with the Democraps?

    Like how your party rewrites history to make Raygun, Dubya, Cheney, Trump and Bundy look good because GOP white privilege double standards? What part of "never, ever forget that it was the republican congress who cut the funding for embassy security. not the president." do you not understand? Just because you lie over and over again doesn't make you right. Facts are facts, no matter what side screws up.

    Even the families of the victims are furious at the GOP for their fake outrage just to score themselves "Do as we war criminals say, not as well do" points. If Dubya and Cheney did this, you wouldn't give a fuck and you better know it.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,162
    pjalive21 said:

    So the 3 Military guys that quit their jobs and are exposing Benghazi for what is was are liars?? What would they have to gain from quitting the military to expose the truth...do people really hate the GOP that much to come up with these conspiracy theories and why isn't it done by people with the Democraps?

    they quit their military jobs so they can make more money writing books and giving speeches. or they can go to fox news and make a lot of money spewing half truths and lies. fox pays good money for that.

    your party cut the budget for embassy security. we got attacked. now your party blames the president for not providing enough embassy security.

    the house holds the purse strings. the house pulled funding. the house was and is under gop control. they need to take a look in the mirror and point a finger at the mirror.
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    edited January 2016
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    So the 3 Military guys that quit their jobs and are exposing Benghazi for what is was are liars?? What would they have to gain from quitting the military to expose the truth...do people really hate the GOP that much to come up with these conspiracy theories and why isn't it done by people with the Democraps?

    your party.
    So anyone who doesn't agree or follow Democrats are now officially labeled Republicans and "my party???" that's laughable, im not a Republican or a conservative( except fiscally)

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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,162
    pjalive21 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    So the 3 Military guys that quit their jobs and are exposing Benghazi for what is was are liars?? What would they have to gain from quitting the military to expose the truth...do people really hate the GOP that much to come up with these conspiracy theories and why isn't it done by people with the Democraps?

    your party.
    So anyone who doesn't agree or follow Democrats are now officially labeled Republicans and "my party???" that's laughable, im not a Republican or a conservative( except fiscally)

    list a few "fiscal conservative" democrats. i am a liberal and i can't name a single one.
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    rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    So the 3 Military guys that quit their jobs and are exposing Benghazi for what is was are liars?? What would they have to gain from quitting the military to expose the truth...do people really hate the GOP that much to come up with these conspiracy theories and why isn't it done by people with the Democraps?

    your party.
    So anyone who doesn't agree or follow Democrats are now officially labeled Republicans and "my party???" that's laughable, im not a Republican or a conservative( except fiscally)

    list a few "fiscal conservative" democrats. i am a liberal and i can't name a single one.
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    rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Gimme,I do love your slightly jaded views of us not so liberal folks.Always an entertaining take.
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    callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited January 2016
    rr165892 said:

    Gimme,I do love your slightly jaded views of us not so liberal folks.Always an entertaining take.

    Always good to keep in mind our views on life are probably 95% the same. Just bit different on some political social stuff. Add common want to debate and express frustrations probably gets us closer to 99%. :)
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    InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    Cons are usually fiscally conservative but on the wrong things while liberally spending on military. I have issues with Rand Paul but he flat out owned Rubio in the debates when he called him out for military spending. Hell, I'd vote for him, Fiorina and Kasich over DINO Hillary if forced at gunpoint. Regardless of party, those three are lesser evils than the Monsanto shrew.
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    rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Gimme,I do love your slightly jaded views of us not so liberal folks.Always an entertaining take.

    Always good to keep in mind our views on life are probably 95% the same. Just bit different on some political social stuff. Add common want to debate and express frustrations probably gets us closer to 99%. :)
    I know and agree cal.Stirring the pot a bit can be entertaining,Espescially when you know what positions regular posters are passionate about.Its all in good fun.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,800
    You mean the movie was fiction? It cant be.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/former-cia-chief-in-benghazi-challenges-film-version-of-2012-attack/2016/01/15/9cf2defc-baf7-11e5-b682-4bb4dd403c7d_story.html?tid=sm_fb
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,611
    The fox viewing public will take it as the unvarnished truth as will the right wing echo chamber all in an effort to destroy Hillary. Which, if successful, at this point, leaves us with Trump. Jeb! Our lonely eyes turn to you.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,550
    edited January 2016
    Im going to guess that 99.9% of the foxnews viewers could not find Benghazi on a map if you held their hand and pointed to it.

    Or Baltimore for that matter
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