I wish this band released music and toured with the same vigor and frequency that they released merch.
They just released an album and toured for a whole year.
Well no, not really. They toured for a few months last year and a few months this year. When you compare that to other bands, it's actually pretty light on the touring. i'm not complaining (well maybe a little ) but I felt the need to defend that posters argument). In comparison to many other bands, PJ has a very light touring schedule (hence the crazy demand for tickets).
edit: I added up the shows from last year and this. Two years of touring had 62 shows. That's pretty small when you consider tours like 2000 (or 98, 03, 06) would have 72+ in a tour that took place in a single year. PJ hasn't been a band that tours very heavy in the first place, but it's getting very light these days.
It's more like 62 shows in 12 1/2 months rather than 2 years. 10/11/13 to 10/26/14. And factor in that they went from the eastern US > western US > Australia > Europe > midwest US with a few Eddie solos thrown in between... I'd say that's pretty hefty.
I wish this band released music and toured with the same vigor and frequency that they released merch.
They just released an album and toured for a whole year.
1 album since 2009 and an absurd amount of tshirts and merch in between. I remember Binaural-era there were like, five different tshirts for sale on the website. I guess it just cheapens what Pearl Jam is to me when it seems they're so interested in the merchandising side of things. Oh well, I'll continue to vote with my wallet and not buy this stuff. Just my opinion.
When they release an album people clamour for more merch, and when they release more merch, people clamour for more music. They really can't win. People always want what they can't have.
I don't know anyone, other than the people on this board, that are clamouring for more merch. Everyone I know "in person" (ie my "real life" Pearl Jam friends) think this is all a big joke. A seasonal line of clothing? Dog collars? Come on now.
A lot of people obviously buy the merch, since they keep making more and more of it, so that tells the whole story no matter who you know "in real life."
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I wish this band released music and toured with the same vigor and frequency that they released merch.
They just released an album and toured for a whole year.
1 album since 2009 and an absurd amount of tshirts and merch in between. I remember Binaural-era there were like, five different tshirts for sale on the website. I guess it just cheapens what Pearl Jam is to me when it seems they're so interested in the merchandising side of things. Oh well, I'll continue to vote with my wallet and not buy this stuff. Just my opinion.
When they release an album people clamour for more merch, and when they release more merch, people clamour for more music. They really can't win. People always want what they can't have.
I don't know anyone, other than the people on this board, that are clamouring for more merch. Everyone I know "in person" (ie my "real life" Pearl Jam friends) think this is all a big joke. A seasonal line of clothing? Dog collars? Come on now.
A lot of people obviously buy the merch, since they keep making more and more of it, so that tells the whole story no matter who you know "in real life."
You're right, people keep buying the merch which is exactly what I can't figure out. Granted, the past 12 months were filled with shows, but in prior years Pearl Jam was more of a tshirt or clothing company than a full time band. I guess I just liked it better when there were down-years like 1997, 1999, 2001/2002 and the band was working on new music rather than the 10c machine pumping out tshirts. I'm just finding it a bit too much like KISS with new merch every month during the "offseason" from touring or a new record.
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I wish this band released music and toured with the same vigor and frequency that they released merch.
They just released an album and toured for a whole year.
1 album since 2009 and an absurd amount of tshirts and merch in between. I remember Binaural-era there were like, five different tshirts for sale on the website. I guess it just cheapens what Pearl Jam is to me when it seems they're so interested in the merchandising side of things. Oh well, I'll continue to vote with my wallet and not buy this stuff. Just my opinion.
When they release an album people clamour for more merch, and when they release more merch, people clamour for more music. They really can't win. People always want what they can't have.
I don't know anyone, other than the people on this board, that are clamouring for more merch. Everyone I know "in person" (ie my "real life" Pearl Jam friends) think this is all a big joke. A seasonal line of clothing? Dog collars? Come on now.
A lot of people obviously buy the merch, since they keep making more and more of it, so that tells the whole story no matter who you know "in real life."
You're right, people keep buying the merch which is exactly what I can't figure out. Granted, the past 12 months were filled with shows, but in prior years Pearl Jam was more of a tshirt or clothing company than a full time band. I guess I just liked it better when there were down-years like 1997, 1999, 2001/2002 and the band was working on new music rather than the 10c machine pumping out tshirts. I'm just finding it a bit too much like KISS with new merch every month during the "offseason" from touring or a new record.
I almost never buy merch besides vinyl, so I'm not sure I quite get it either (especially the really random crap, like Falla Sheep), but KISS has one thing going for them that Pearl Jam doesn't: lunch boxes. :P
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I wish this band released music and toured with the same vigor and frequency that they released merch.
They just released an album and toured for a whole year.
1 album since 2009 and an absurd amount of tshirts and merch in between. I remember Binaural-era there were like, five different tshirts for sale on the website. I guess it just cheapens what Pearl Jam is to me when it seems they're so interested in the merchandising side of things. Oh well, I'll continue to vote with my wallet and not buy this stuff. Just my opinion.
When they release an album people clamour for more merch, and when they release more merch, people clamour for more music. They really can't win. People always want what they can't have.
I don't know anyone, other than the people on this board, that are clamouring for more merch. Everyone I know "in person" (ie my "real life" Pearl Jam friends) think this is all a big joke. A seasonal line of clothing? Dog collars? Come on now.
A lot of people obviously buy the merch, since they keep making more and more of it, so that tells the whole story no matter who you know "in real life."
You're right, people keep buying the merch which is exactly what I can't figure out. Granted, the past 12 months were filled with shows, but in prior years Pearl Jam was more of a tshirt or clothing company than a full time band. I guess I just liked it better when there were down-years like 1997, 1999, 2001/2002 and the band was working on new music rather than the 10c machine pumping out tshirts. I'm just finding it a bit too much like KISS with new merch every month during the "offseason" from touring or a new record.
I almost never buy merch besides vinyl, so I'm not sure I quite get it either (especially the really random crap, like Falla Sheep), but KISS has one thing going for them that Pearl Jam doesn't: lunch boxes. :P
Lol I was just gonna mention lunch boxes in response to the Kiss references, but you beat me to it! :P
How does the connection from more merch=less time for new music happen? The band and the 10C create different products on different timelines. I seriously doubt anything but a quick visual OK on designs was done by the band (or just Jeff) at some point. Merch isn't album art and stage concept, it's a design bought from an artist (possibly years earlier) then turned into a sticker, shirt, cap, patch, etc. by the 10C peeps. I say bring on more of everything....more music, more merch!
How does the connection from more merch=less time for new music happen? The band and the 10C create different products on different timelines. I seriously doubt anything but a quick visual OK on designs was done by the band (or just Jeff) at some point. Merch isn't album art and stage concept, it's a design bought from an artist (possibly years earlier) then turned into a sticker, shirt, cap, patch, etc. by the 10C peeps. I say bring on more of everything....more music, more merch!
See... I always pictured the guys from the band printing tee shirts and coloring in posters between albums and shows.
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How does the connection from more merch=less time for new music happen? The band and the 10C create different products on different timelines. I seriously doubt anything but a quick visual OK on designs was done by the band (or just Jeff) at some point. Merch isn't album art and stage concept, it's a design bought from an artist (possibly years earlier) then turned into a sticker, shirt, cap, patch, etc. by the 10C peeps. I say bring on more of everything....more music, more merch!
My point was that Pearl Jam is supposed to be about music, not merch. For a good chunk of time from mid 2010 until fall 2013 it felt like the opposite. I have no problem with new merch during a touring or record cycle. If Pearl Jam is on a break, I and the people I know that are Pearl Jam fans, are not terribly interested in No Code dog collars or a spring or fall line of clothing. In my opinion that feels like milking it.
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How does the connection from more merch=less time for new music happen? The band and the 10C create different products on different timelines. I seriously doubt anything but a quick visual OK on designs was done by the band (or just Jeff) at some point. Merch isn't album art and stage concept, it's a design bought from an artist (possibly years earlier) then turned into a sticker, shirt, cap, patch, etc. by the 10C peeps. I say bring on more of everything....more music, more merch!
My point was that Pearl Jam is supposed to be about music, not merch. For a good chunk of time from mid 2010 until fall 2013 it felt like the opposite. I have no problem with new merch during a touring or record cycle. If Pearl Jam is on a break, I and the people I know that are Pearl Jam fans, are not terribly interested in No Code dog collars or a spring or fall line of clothing. In my opinion that feels like milking it.
I don't know, but perhaps it's about 'keeping the fans interested' even when 4 or 5 years go by without a new album. Kind of like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey. )
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I went to buy myself the Flag Weaving t-shirt... and ended up getting the new onesie for my 7 month old son instead. How times have changed!
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4 patches and 1 pin... $38.99 - seems pricey but I'm addicted to the patches. Keep em coming 10 club.
I really like the patches too, bought 3 of each design!!! I'd love to see some show specific patches... but that would just add more to the MESS that is PJ MERCH!!! ~X( ~X(
You better go get in that merch line now before they sell out.
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4 patches and 1 pin... $38.99 - seems pricey but I'm addicted to the patches. Keep em coming 10 club.
I really like the patches too, bought 3 of each design!!! I'd love to see some show specific patches... but that would just add more to the MESS that is PJ MERCH!!! ~X( ~X(
You better go get in that merch line now before they sell out.
I'll pick up a POSTER TUBE & a PIN for YOU while I'm there!!!
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4 patches and 1 pin... $38.99 - seems pricey but I'm addicted to the patches. Keep em coming 10 club.
I really like the patches too, bought 3 of each design!!! I'd love to see some show specific patches... but that would just add more to the MESS that is PJ MERCH!!! ~X( ~X(
You better go get in that merch line now before they sell out.
I'll pick up a POSTER TUBE & a PIN for YOU while I'm there!!!
Now did you try on all three patches-- I mean a stitch in place and look in a mirror BEFORE you bought them? I mean, you have to try EVERYTHING on, right? Oh, then you have to ask your friends if it looks right. Man, I believe you did the patch purchasing all wrong.
4 patches and 1 pin... $38.99 - seems pricey but I'm addicted to the patches. Keep em coming 10 club.
I really like the patches too, bought 3 of each design!!! I'd love to see some show specific patches... but that would just add more to the MESS that is PJ MERCH!!! ~X( ~X(
You better go get in that merch line now before they sell out.
I'll pick up a POSTER TUBE & a PIN for YOU while I'm there!!!
Now did you try on all three patches-- I mean a stitch in place and look in a mirror BEFORE you bought them? I mean, you have to try EVERYTHING on, right? Oh, then you have to ask your friends if it looks right. Man, I believe you did the patch purchasing all wrong.
I have not tried them on yet... But it is funny that I got the patches in the mail TODAY:
along with a couple of other packages from GOOD FRIENDS!!! :-bd
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I guess I just liked it better when there were down-years like 1997, 1999, 2001/2002 and the band was working on new music rather than the 10c machine pumping out tshirts. I'm just finding it a bit too much like KISS with new merch every month during the "offseason" from touring or a new record.
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2010 - May 15 Hartford, May 17 Boston, Oct 23/24 Mountain View
2011 - Sept 3/4 Alpine Valley, Sept 11/12 Toronto, Sept 17 Winnipeg, Sept 19 Saskatoon
2012 - Sept 30 Missoula
2013 - July 16 London, July 19 Chicago, Oct 12 Buffalo, Dec 2 Calgary, Dec 4 Vancouver, Dec 6 Seattle
2014 - Oct 16 Detroit, Oct 19 St. Paul, Oct 20 Milwaukee
2015 - Sept 23 (Colbert)/Sept 26, New York
2016 - Apr 28/29 Philadelphia, May 10/12 Toronto, Aug 20/22 Chicago
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I say bring on more of everything....more music, more merch!
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But it is funny that I got the patches in the mail TODAY:
along with a couple of other packages from GOOD FRIENDS!!!
:-bd
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'00: Columbus: Polaris
'03: Columbus: Germain
'10: Columbus: Nationwide Arena
'11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit
'12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2
'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
'17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
'18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1
'22: Nashville / St. Louis
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'00: Columbus: Polaris
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'11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit
'12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2
'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
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