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Geronimo
kenny olav
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"As to the future state, the teachings of our tribe were not specific, that is, we had no definite idea of our relations and surroundings in after life. We believed that there is a life after this one, but no one ever told me as to what part of man lived after death ... We held that the discharge of one's duty would make his future life more pleasant, but whether that future life was worse than this life or better, we did not know, and no one was able to tell us. We hoped that in the future life, family and tribal relations would be resumed. In a way we believed this, but we did not know it."
Said Geronimo in 1905, four years before his death at the age of 79. A true war hero, he fought bravely for the freedom of his people in their natural homeland and evaded capture from 1858 to 1886.
Shameful that the U.S. military would use his name as their code name for Osama bin Laden, who cowardly hid in a mansion after directing terrorist attacks against innocent men women and children... a man who fought a holy war, on behalf of an oppressive form of an already oppressive religion, who proclaimed righteous certainty in what is naturally unknown. A war of oppression depends on such certainty in its warriors. A war for freedom requires nothing but the will to be free.
Said Geronimo in 1905, four years before his death at the age of 79. A true war hero, he fought bravely for the freedom of his people in their natural homeland and evaded capture from 1858 to 1886.
Shameful that the U.S. military would use his name as their code name for Osama bin Laden, who cowardly hid in a mansion after directing terrorist attacks against innocent men women and children... a man who fought a holy war, on behalf of an oppressive form of an already oppressive religion, who proclaimed righteous certainty in what is naturally unknown. A war of oppression depends on such certainty in its warriors. A war for freedom requires nothing but the will to be free.
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But still.
:roll:
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
yeah, what's the big deal? it's only war, death, destruction...
This use of 'Geronimo' as a code name is nothing to be offended by?
Tell that to a Native American tribe, if you don't care what I think.
Sorry, was your three-day hard-on over the killing of a bunch of Arabs softened by a dose of intelligence?
they can be offended. i understand why they might be. i'm not.
Unfortunately, white Americans have been appropriating and abusing Native American names and symbols for years. So nothing new here.
True enough, though the Cleveland Indians thing does seem a bit less offensive than the Osama thing.
But if people don't care about things being offensive to others unless they are personally offended, I guess that's just the kind of world we'll have to accept.
*loosens panties*
if CIA want to give a symbolic name better idea was Charles Manson
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I like this analogy
Yeah, um... I think their "panties are in a wad" over 500 years of continuing oppression, all the current dismissal of said oppression while their people suffer & we say they have it made, the lack of acknowledgement that they contribute more to military efforts than any other racial group... PLUS the military they support using the symbolism of their most respected war hero, who is a symbol of all Native peoples, to represent the most hated man in the world. Your panties should be in a wad too.
Encoded in Geronimo's name: enemy
The US can have an African American president but still be unconscious of its hostility to the Apache leader it persecuted
Steven Newcomb
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 4 May 2011
What the hell were they thinking?
Why would the first African American president of the United States, as US commander-in-chief, think nothing of US military forces applying the codename "Geronimo" to Osama bin Laden during the reported assault against that long-sought enemy of the United States? Apparently, having an African American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States.
Question: did President Barack Obama point out to his military brass that such a disrespectful use of Geronimo's name was inappropriate? Probably not.
In my book Pagans in the Promised Land, I use the theory of the human mind (cognitive theory) to explain the "cognitive unconscious" of the United States. Certain ingrained traditions of thought, both conscious and unconscious, have been used for generations by US government officials. Such thinking has resulted in the development of predominantly anti-Indian US federal Indian laws and policies. The result has been laws and policies that have proven detrimental to Indian nations and peoples.
George Washington, in 1784, used the analogy "the savage as the wolf" to refer to our Indian ancestors as less-than-human "beasts". As Henry Wheaton said in his Elements of International Law, "The heathen nations of the other quarters of the globe were the lawful spoil and prey of their civilised conquerors." Thus, one of the normative American metaphors throughout the history of the United States has been "Indians are enemies". We're talking about a US tradition of dehumanisation and dominance used against our nations and peoples.
From the perspective of non-Indian colonisers, our indigenous ancestors were enemies to be uprooted from the vast extent of our traditional lands and territories and confined to "reservations" in remote areas, under UScontrol. Thus, off the reservation is a common idiom used by television journalists and commentators to refer to someone being a "renegade", with the connotation being an enemy "who chooses to live outside laws or conventions". However, it is important to keep in mind that US laws and conventions have been imposed on our nations and peoples. Someone who has gone off the reservation is considered to be an "outlaw" – which in our case is outside the bounds of imposed laws and policies of the United States.
Geronimo's life story is a direct result of the invasion of the Apache territory and attempts to subdue the free and independent Apache. After his family was massacred by Mexicans in 1851, Geronimo became a Chiricahua Apache leader who fit perfectly into the non-Indian metaphorical frame "Indians are enemies". He and a small group of fellow Apaches brilliantly eluded capture by 5,000 United States Army soldiers, 500 Indian scouts and 3,000 Mexican soldiers. The desert terrain was steep and formidable. The temperatures were extreme: intense cold and blistering heat. Geronimo and his band had very little food or water. What those Apaches accomplished is very likely one of the most amazing physical feats of stamina in the history of the human race. He finally surrendered in 1886.
In the reported stories of Osama bin Laden being killed by US military forces, Bin Laden was codenamed "Geronimo". According to a CBS News report, those who came up with that "inappropriate code name" apparently "thought of Bin Laden as a 21st-century equivalent" of Geronimo. In other words, the codename was based on an extension of the metaphor "Indians are enemies" to "Geronimo was a terrorist", thus perpetuating the US tradition of treating Indian nations and peoples as enemies.
Geronimo was fighting against the invasion of his country and the oppression of his people. He did not invade the United States. Rather, Spain, Mexico and then the United States invaded the Apache territory and the territories of hundreds of other indigenous nations. Horrific atrocities were committed against the Apache, and men such as Geronimo, whose family was massacred by Mexicans, did not hesitate to retaliate. Geronimo died a "prisoner of war" in 1909.
yep this is the best post on this
being a bit oversensative guys
they needed a code word, generally one that is easily identified over bad comms
I just finished Operation Epic Starlight....which is what I called breakfast this morning.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Let's do that next time we fight terrorists... code names Jesus, Moses, Mary, Leviticus, etc. We'll murder them all, symbolically.
How about 'Operation George Wshington'? Or 'Operation Abe Lincoln'? I'm pretty sure nobody on the M.T would get their 'panties in a wad' over that, would they?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_a_Jersey_Thing
Funny those were the very first two men I thought of when i started reading this thread and I felt they would not be used just based on how many folks would be up in arms.
Why are names such as this *Geronimo* being used, who does the choosing and are there any sensitivity being taken when that choice is made?? Apparently NOT, I can see how this would be disturbing to some Native Americans.
Peace
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