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http://www.columbusalive.com/?sec=music&story=alive/2008/0508/m-range.html
Can't STP the rock
By Chris DeVille
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With Stone Temple Pilots set to headline the second-annual Rock on the Range fest at Crew Stadium next weekend — STP's first show in six years — it's time for a critical reappraisal of one of rock's most underrated bands.
Scott Weiland, Eric Kretz and the DeLeo brothers blended glam, pop and hard rock into a cocktail that still has radio programmers drunk 15 years later. They made no bones about striking rock-star poses, appealing to the masses and, you know, enjoying themselves.
And unlike many radio staples from The Doors to Nickelback, STP was actually responsible for some of the best music of their era. As Steve Hyden pointed out in an excellent piece for The Onion A.V. Club's blog, "STP's B-level status in '90s rock history has practically nothing to do with the music and almost everything to do with the misfortune of coming out during one of the most annoyingly cred-conscious periods in the history of mainstream rock."
Although he went on to espouse a bizarre theory that Weiland developed his heroin addiction to gain artistic credibility, on his main point Hyden is correct. The Pilots' highly melodic, hugely powerful rock should have earned them widespread acclaim. Instead, they were decried for not taking themselves too seriously in an era that fetishized "important" music by miserable artists.
Nirvana and Pearl Jam wrote hooky, stadium-ready rock anthems too, but those bands are more or less respected (as always, Nirvana more so than Pearl Jam). The most legitimate reason is lyrics. Weiland was no poet, and while Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder probably get more credit than they deserve in this category, at least their Gen-X babbling mostly made sense.
But rock music doesn't have to make sense. It just has to rock. Nirvana and Pearl Jam rocked, but they felt self-conscious about it. Nirvana emerged from the underground, where the rules of rock stardom are different. Pearl Jam fancied themselves indie rockers too, even though they were basically populists through and through.
Stone Temple Pilots made no bones about being full-blooded mainstream rock stars. For this, they were tarred and feathered by rock critics. They deserve better.
There is a lingering impression that STP was ripping off Pearl Jam. Yes, Weiland went overboard with his Eddie Vedder impression on 1992 debut Core. But by the time Purple came out in 1994, STP had established an identity of its own. The record boasted some of alt-rock's most enduringly awesome singles — "Vaseline," "Interstate Love Song" — and superb deep cuts like surprisingly heartbreaking "Still Remains" and the frantic, tuneful "Unglued."
1996's Tiny Music ... Songs From the Vatican Gift Shop was even better — sometimes jangly, sometimes gracefully subdued. In "Big Bang Baby," "Lady Picture Show" and "Trippin' On a Hole in a Paper Heart," the band produced three of the decade's finest hits.
Even latter-day STP had something to offer. No. 4 was a hard-hitting collection with better songwriting and production than Core. And at least the goofy Shangri-La Dee Da had glorious pop nugget "Days of the Week."
These achievements have been obscured by the perception of STP as imitators, hacks and cock-rockers. In some ways, the band fits all those descriptions, but a good song is a good song, context be damned.
Perhaps now, as the reunited STP headlines Rock on the Range over a slate of bands it clearly has outclassed, we can finally step out from the oppressive shadow of grunge-era legalism and appreciate this band's stellar body of work.
Can't STP the rock
By Chris DeVille
blog I e-mail
With Stone Temple Pilots set to headline the second-annual Rock on the Range fest at Crew Stadium next weekend — STP's first show in six years — it's time for a critical reappraisal of one of rock's most underrated bands.
Scott Weiland, Eric Kretz and the DeLeo brothers blended glam, pop and hard rock into a cocktail that still has radio programmers drunk 15 years later. They made no bones about striking rock-star poses, appealing to the masses and, you know, enjoying themselves.
And unlike many radio staples from The Doors to Nickelback, STP was actually responsible for some of the best music of their era. As Steve Hyden pointed out in an excellent piece for The Onion A.V. Club's blog, "STP's B-level status in '90s rock history has practically nothing to do with the music and almost everything to do with the misfortune of coming out during one of the most annoyingly cred-conscious periods in the history of mainstream rock."
Although he went on to espouse a bizarre theory that Weiland developed his heroin addiction to gain artistic credibility, on his main point Hyden is correct. The Pilots' highly melodic, hugely powerful rock should have earned them widespread acclaim. Instead, they were decried for not taking themselves too seriously in an era that fetishized "important" music by miserable artists.
Nirvana and Pearl Jam wrote hooky, stadium-ready rock anthems too, but those bands are more or less respected (as always, Nirvana more so than Pearl Jam). The most legitimate reason is lyrics. Weiland was no poet, and while Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder probably get more credit than they deserve in this category, at least their Gen-X babbling mostly made sense.
But rock music doesn't have to make sense. It just has to rock. Nirvana and Pearl Jam rocked, but they felt self-conscious about it. Nirvana emerged from the underground, where the rules of rock stardom are different. Pearl Jam fancied themselves indie rockers too, even though they were basically populists through and through.
Stone Temple Pilots made no bones about being full-blooded mainstream rock stars. For this, they were tarred and feathered by rock critics. They deserve better.
There is a lingering impression that STP was ripping off Pearl Jam. Yes, Weiland went overboard with his Eddie Vedder impression on 1992 debut Core. But by the time Purple came out in 1994, STP had established an identity of its own. The record boasted some of alt-rock's most enduringly awesome singles — "Vaseline," "Interstate Love Song" — and superb deep cuts like surprisingly heartbreaking "Still Remains" and the frantic, tuneful "Unglued."
1996's Tiny Music ... Songs From the Vatican Gift Shop was even better — sometimes jangly, sometimes gracefully subdued. In "Big Bang Baby," "Lady Picture Show" and "Trippin' On a Hole in a Paper Heart," the band produced three of the decade's finest hits.
Even latter-day STP had something to offer. No. 4 was a hard-hitting collection with better songwriting and production than Core. And at least the goofy Shangri-La Dee Da had glorious pop nugget "Days of the Week."
These achievements have been obscured by the perception of STP as imitators, hacks and cock-rockers. In some ways, the band fits all those descriptions, but a good song is a good song, context be damned.
Perhaps now, as the reunited STP headlines Rock on the Range over a slate of bands it clearly has outclassed, we can finally step out from the oppressive shadow of grunge-era legalism and appreciate this band's stellar body of work.
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walkthamile wrote:http://www.columbusalive.com/?sec=music&story=alive/2008/0508/m-range.html
Can't STP the rock
By Chris DeVille
blog I e-mail
With Stone Temple Pilots set to headline the second-annual Rock on the Range fest at Crew Stadium next weekend — STP's first show in six years — it's time for a critical reappraisal of one of rock's most underrated bands.
Scott Weiland, Eric Kretz and the DeLeo brothers blended glam, pop and hard rock into a cocktail that still has radio programmers drunk 15 years later. They made no bones about striking rock-star poses, appealing to the masses and, you know, enjoying themselves.
And unlike many radio staples from The Doors to Nickelback, STP was actually responsible for some of the best music of their era. As Steve Hyden pointed out in an excellent piece for The Onion A.V. Club's blog, "STP's B-level status in '90s rock history has practically nothing to do with the music and almost everything to do with the misfortune of coming out during one of the most annoyingly cred-conscious periods in the history of mainstream rock."
Although he went on to espouse a bizarre theory that Weiland developed his heroin addiction to gain artistic credibility, on his main point Hyden is correct. The Pilots' highly melodic, hugely powerful rock should have earned them widespread acclaim. Instead, they were decried for not taking themselves too seriously in an era that fetishized "important" music by miserable artists.
Nirvana and Pearl Jam wrote hooky, stadium-ready rock anthems too, but those bands are more or less respected (as always, Nirvana more so than Pearl Jam). The most legitimate reason is lyrics. Weiland was no poet, and while Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder probably get more credit than they deserve in this category, at least their Gen-X babbling mostly made sense.
But rock music doesn't have to make sense. It just has to rock. Nirvana and Pearl Jam rocked, but they felt self-conscious about it. Nirvana emerged from the underground, where the rules of rock stardom are different. Pearl Jam fancied themselves indie rockers too, even though they were basically populists through and through.
Stone Temple Pilots made no bones about being full-blooded mainstream rock stars. For this, they were tarred and feathered by rock critics. They deserve better.
There is a lingering impression that STP was ripping off Pearl Jam. Yes, Weiland went overboard with his Eddie Vedder impression on 1992 debut Core. But by the time Purple came out in 1994, STP had established an identity of its own. The record boasted some of alt-rock's most enduringly awesome singles — "Vaseline," "Interstate Love Song" — and superb deep cuts like surprisingly heartbreaking "Still Remains" and the frantic, tuneful "Unglued."
1996's Tiny Music ... Songs From the Vatican Gift Shop was even better — sometimes jangly, sometimes gracefully subdued. In "Big Bang Baby," "Lady Picture Show" and "Trippin' On a Hole in a Paper Heart," the band produced three of the decade's finest hits.
Even latter-day STP had something to offer. No. 4 was a hard-hitting collection with better songwriting and production than Core. And at least the goofy Shangri-La Dee Da had glorious pop nugget "Days of the Week."
These achievements have been obscured by the perception of STP as imitators, hacks and cock-rockers. In some ways, the band fits all those descriptions, but a good song is a good song, context be damned.
Perhaps now, as the reunited STP headlines Rock on the Range over a slate of bands it clearly has outclassed, we can finally step out from the oppressive shadow of grunge-era legalism and appreciate this band's stellar body of work.0 -
walkthamile wrote:http://www.columbusalive.com/?sec=music&story=alive/2008/0508/m-range.html
Can't STP the rock
By Chris DeVille
blog I e-mail
With Stone Temple Pilots set to headline the second-annual Rock on the Range fest at Crew Stadium next weekend — STP's first show in six years — it's time for a critical reappraisal of one of rock's most underrated bands.
Scott Weiland, Eric Kretz and the DeLeo brothers blended glam, pop and hard rock into a cocktail that still has radio programmers drunk 15 years later. They made no bones about striking rock-star poses, appealing to the masses and, you know, enjoying themselves.
And unlike many radio staples from The Doors to Nickelback, STP was actually responsible for some of the best music of their era. As Steve Hyden pointed out in an excellent piece for The Onion A.V. Club's blog, "STP's B-level status in '90s rock history has practically nothing to do with the music and almost everything to do with the misfortune of coming out during one of the most annoyingly cred-conscious periods in the history of mainstream rock."
Although he went on to espouse a bizarre theory that Weiland developed his heroin addiction to gain artistic credibility, on his main point Hyden is correct. The Pilots' highly melodic, hugely powerful rock should have earned them widespread acclaim. Instead, they were decried for not taking themselves too seriously in an era that fetishized "important" music by miserable artists.
Nirvana and Pearl Jam wrote hooky, stadium-ready rock anthems too, but those bands are more or less respected (as always, Nirvana more so than Pearl Jam). The most legitimate reason is lyrics. Weiland was no poet, and while Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder probably get more credit than they deserve in this category, at least their Gen-X babbling mostly made sense.
But rock music doesn't have to make sense. It just has to rock. Nirvana and Pearl Jam rocked, but they felt self-conscious about it. Nirvana emerged from the underground, where the rules of rock stardom are different. Pearl Jam fancied themselves indie rockers too, even though they were basically populists through and through.
Stone Temple Pilots made no bones about being full-blooded mainstream rock stars. For this, they were tarred and feathered by rock critics. They deserve better.
There is a lingering impression that STP was ripping off Pearl Jam. Yes, Weiland went overboard with his Eddie Vedder impression on 1992 debut Core. But by the time Purple came out in 1994, STP had established an identity of its own. The record boasted some of alt-rock's most enduringly awesome singles — "Vaseline," "Interstate Love Song" — and superb deep cuts like surprisingly heartbreaking "Still Remains" and the frantic, tuneful "Unglued."
1996's Tiny Music ... Songs From the Vatican Gift Shop was even better — sometimes jangly, sometimes gracefully subdued. In "Big Bang Baby," "Lady Picture Show" and "Trippin' On a Hole in a Paper Heart," the band produced three of the decade's finest hits.
Even latter-day STP had something to offer. No. 4 was a hard-hitting collection with better songwriting and production than Core. And at least the goofy Shangri-La Dee Da had glorious pop nugget "Days of the Week."
These achievements have been obscured by the perception of STP as imitators, hacks and cock-rockers. In some ways, the band fits all those descriptions, but a good song is a good song, context be damned.
Perhaps now, as the reunited STP headlines Rock on the Range over a slate of bands it clearly has outclassed, we can finally step out from the oppressive shadow of grunge-era legalism and appreciate this band's stellar body of work.
Wow, cool article.
I'm goin' to see STP in June, should be sweet.0 -
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stp is not a pearl jam rip off. stp were around long before pearl jam was even a thought.And he still gives his love, he just gives it away, The love he receives is the love that is saved, And sometimes is seen a strange spot in the sky, A human being that was given to fly
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given2fly10 wrote:stp is not a pearl jam rip off. stp were around long before pearl jam was even a thought.
um......same year?0 -
STP formed in 1987 according to wikipedia. Pearl Jam formed in 1990.
STP's got em by 3 years.
Edit: it's just that Pearl Jam broke through into mainstream first.0 -
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I don't like this article. STP are the ones who get too much credit. Underrated? Every goddamn radio station has been talking and talking about how awesome they are and about the tour for months now. STP basically rode the grunge wave started by Green River (then, of course, Mother Love Bone), Soundgarden, etc. They got away with it because they were more open to commercialism. So when bands like Nirvana and PJ fell out of the mainstream, STP took over.I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
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eedie_vedder1 wrote:wow that was realy long but prety intrestign. old spt was prety col but i dnt realy liek teh new stuf to much yet gues its gota grw on me a litle firts. nice to c thme bak in cocnert agin.
Pardon?
(apologies if you are dyslexic)OH: You need to stop buying Pearl Jam stuff, we have no room
Me: How about we just get a bigger house?
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Stone Temple Pilots were just a better timed version of Creed.What really annoys me is how much Scott Weiland's voice has changed over the years,he just alters it to suit whatever style is fashionable at the time.It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.
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brain of c wrote:debut lp's. same year.
no, ten - 1991, core - 19920 -
Scott Weiland ain't fit to carry Eddie Vedders wank rag.0
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Music For Rhinos wrote:STP formed in 1987 according to wikipedia. Pearl Jam formed in 1990.
STP's got em by 3 years.
Edit: it's just that Pearl Jam broke through into mainstream first.
Oh please, Ten was released in August 91 and Core in Sept 92! That's over a year between the releases, and Weiland and co exploited the shit out of grunge from vocals all the way down to facial expressions. STP are a joke!*****no time to be void or save up on life,
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brain of c wrote:um......same year?
Nope."I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive0 -
I enjoyed all three bands, Niv, PJ, and STP
STP really declined after No4 though. Probably because of Scotts drug problems, which is really sad...0 -
jbalicki10 wrote:I enjoyed all three bands, Niv, PJ, and STP
STP really declined after No4 though. Probably because of Scotts drug problems, which is really sad...
I enjoy them all as well PJ, STP, and Nivana in that order. What always amazed me was that STP was lumped into the Seattle scene when they were from San Diego.Raleigh '03; Hartford '08; Mansfield II '08; Buffalo '10; Hartford '10;East Troy I '11; East Troy II '11; DeLuna Fest '12; Wrigley '13; Buffalo '13;Toronto II '16; Wrigley I '16; Wrigley II '16; Wrigley I '18; Wrigley II '18;
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walkthamile wrote:
One of the central reasons why their singles never broke bigger was Weiland himself. Y'gotta admit the guy could be a bit of a tit onstage, plus he lacked the requisite looks of a mainstream 'rock star' in the Vedder/Cobain/Cornell mould. Oh, and his live voice wasn't all that tremendous.
But,I liked the first three albums immensely whatever.0 -
STP were good, not great. Putting out albums that are half filler, half radio hits does not make you a great band.0
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October22 wrote:why do people quote the original post? fuck, that annoys me.
It fucking annoys me, too!!:D:D
If I had known then what I know now...
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MapleTea wrote:Oh please, Ten was released in August 91 and Core in Sept 92! That's over a year between the releases, and Weiland and co exploited the shit out of grunge from vocals all the way down to facial expressions. STP are a joke!
Do you even read the posts??? I clearly stated Ten was from '91 and Core was in '92 in post #13, BEFORE your post.
C'mon people, READ!
edit: Besides, it doesn't matter when the albums came out, STP did form before PJ. It's a non-debatable fact.0
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