Interesting read!

elmer

Maybe I was a little harsh, I dunno?

Anyone got a boot of the mtv unplugged they did?

MapleTea

Music For Rhinos wrote:

Do you even read the posts??? I clearly stated Ten was from '91 and Core was in '92 in post #13, BEFORE your post.

C'mon people, READ!

edit: Besides, it doesn't matter when the albums came out, STP did form before PJ. It's a non-debatable fact.

But you originally said that they formed in 1987 as if that gives them more artistic credibility or something. When they formed doesn't mean anything, the fact is they developed their sound in response to what was going on around them...Weiland copied and their band were manufactured, case closed!

Music For Rhinos

MapleTea wrote:

But you originally said that they formed in 1987 as if that gives them more artistic credibility or something. When they formed doesn't mean anything, the fact is they developed their sound in response to what was going on around them...Weiland copied and their band were manufactured, case closed!

No. I was not implying anything having to do with artistic credibility. I was simply stating a fact. The same way you would say "the sky is blue."

Obviously Pearl Jam is my favorite band but STP doesn't deserve all the shit they catch for being rip-offs, they are their own band.

searchlightsoul

MattyJoe wrote:

I don't like this article. STP are the ones who get too much credit. Underrated? Every goddamn radio station has been talking and talking about how awesome they are and about the tour for months now. STP basically rode the grunge wave started by Green River (then, of course, Mother Love Bone), Soundgarden, etc. They got away with it because they were more open to commercialism. So when bands like Nirvana and PJ fell out of the mainstream, STP took over.

Agreed. These guys along with Bush etc helped kill the alternative 90's scene because basically they just perpetuated the grunge styereoptype when it was cool. Underrated? You've got to be kidding.

Next Wieland joins Velvet Revolver. But you would never have seen Chris Cornell or Eddie joining the ex-GNR's band members because the Seattle scene was really opposed to that whole glamrock bullshit GnR's was a part of. Wieland however had no problems, and it just confimed to me anyway that Wieland was an oppurtunistic phony.

Joe2TheRevenge

1. STP are extremely underrated. They have had as many hit songs as Pearl Jam, and more than Soundgarden, Nirvana, or AIC ever did. But unfortunately were stuck in the grunge shadow just because they were not from Seattle and therefore never got a mention in the same breath as "the big 4"

2. STP ripped off no one. Eddie Vedder doesn't even sound like himself from the first PJ album. And the first PJ album sounds nothing like PJ sounds now. And why? Because new bands are at the mercy of their producers, who are paid an assload of money by the record company to make the music sound like what is popular at the time. You don't get to start calling your own shots till you prove yourself with some hits, as STP and PJ BOTH did. STP was no Pearl Jam copy, STP JUST LIKE PEARL JAM were mixed to sound that way by someone else.

3. STP is from San Diego. Which is where Eddie Vedder was living prior to joining PJ. So how does anyone know Ed didn't copy Weiland? WE DON'T. Maybe Ed was having a few beers at a local show when he was still trying to figure out how to sing.

4. STP fucking kicks ass live. And Weiland is one of the best frontmen i have ever had the pleasure of paying to see. You would all do yourselves a huge favor to check them out while you have the chance.

elmer

searchlightsoul wrote:

These guys along with Bush etc

STP were on a totally higher plane than fuckin' Bush.....my friggin' word! Rossdale ain't up to licking the sweat off Weiland's inner thigh, though I bet he'd like to!

walkthamile

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

3. STP is from San Diego. Which is where Eddie Vedder was living prior to joining PJ. So how does anyone know Ed didn't copy Weiland? WE DON'T. Maybe Ed was having a few beers at a local show when he was still trying to figure out how to sing.

Sorry, but I was beginning to enjoy your post until this!

It is widely known that Vedder was pretty well entrenched in the San Diego music scene, and many will vouch for this...Weiland and STP for that matter sprung up from obscurity...They were not heard of, and I would lean more towards Weiland hearing Ten and altering his style, whether the record company forced him to or not, than Vedder hearing Weiland in San Diego!

elmer

walkthamile wrote:

I would lean more towards Weiland hearing Ten and altering his style, whether the record company forced him to or not, than Vedder hearing Weiland in San Diego!

Neither was the case in all probablility! This 'sound-a-like' debate surely ended upon both bands releasing their second albums.

Rhinocerous Surprise

elmer wrote:

Neither was the case in all probablility! This 'sound-a-like' debate surely ended upon both bands releasing their second albums.

Agreed. Core was a much darker album, stylistically, than any of STP's other records, which probably led to Weiland singing in his lower register for much of it. As STP broadened their sound on Purple and Tiny Music, Weiland's voice broadened with it. As for his expressions in the Plush video, I'd say that's probably imitation.

searchlightsoul

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

1. STP are extremely underrated. They have had as many hit songs as Pearl Jam, and more than Soundgarden, Nirvana, or AIC ever did.

Sorry I don't get how they are underrated because of this.

walkthamile

elmer wrote:

Neither was the case in all probablility! This 'sound-a-like' debate surely ended upon both bands releasing their second albums.

No... Purple, although a much better album than Core, was as much Seattle Sound as its predecessor. They changed with Tiny Music, and then went downhill after that one IMO.

Joe2TheRevenge

searchlightsoul wrote:

Sorry I don't get how they are underrated because of this.

i explained it in the following sentence

when people say "the biggest bands of the 90s", it's automatically PJ, Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains with EVERYONE ELSE being an afterthought. and STP was a victim of that, regardless of how many hit songs they have actually had

Joe2TheRevenge

walkthamile wrote:

No... Purple, although a much better album than Core, was as much Seattle Sound as its predecessor. They changed with Tiny Music, and then went downhill after that one IMO.

what exactly is "the seattle sound"?

i have never heard 2 popular bands from that city who sound even remotely similar.

walkthamile

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

what exactly is "the seattle sound"?

i have never heard 2 popular bands from that city who sound even remotely similar.

Well, let me see...on that album he still sounded like Vedder, on some songs he even started to sound like Cobain and Staley! Those guys were all in bands that came from Seattle! Their music was loud and they had quite alot of heavy distorted guitars, and they had some angst filled lyrics

Joe2TheRevenge

walkthamile wrote:

Well, let me see...on that album he still sounded like Vedder, on some songs he even started to sound like Cobain and Staley! Those guys were all in bands that came from Seattle! Their music was loud and they had quite alot of heavy distorted guitars, and they had some angst filled lyrics

hmmm

loud, distorted guitars, and angsty

i guess Pearl Jam ripped off Nine Inch Nails then

Pretty Hate Machine: 1989
Ten: 1991

This game is fun. Let's keep connecting bands through generalized means when no other connection exists

walkthamile

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

hmmm

loud, distorted guitars, and angsty

i guess Pearl Jam ripped off Nine Inch Nails then

Pretty Hate Machine: 1989
Ten: 1991

This game is fun. Let's keep connecting bands through generalized means when no other connection exists

Only Ed did not rip off Trent Reznor! And Weiland clearly ripped off Ed... Yeh, this is enjoyable lets keep playing :rolleyes:

Joe2TheRevenge

walkthamile wrote:

Only Ed did not rip off Trent Reznor! And Weiland clearly ripped off Ed... Yeh, this is enjoyable lets keep playing :rolleyes:

They were BOTH influenced by Jim Morrison

Is it really hard to contemplate that 2 singers influenced by the same guy may have a similar vocal style?

Weiland still uses the baritone on heavier songs. Ed uses it....ummm...whenever he's not being whiney and nasal.

walkthamile

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

They were BOTH influenced by Jim Morrison

Is it really hard to contemplate that 2 singers influenced by the same guy may have a similar vocal style?

Well, when "adopting" a vocal style that has already been popularised, that may help a band fit into a category and earn a record company and a band some $$$$, certainly makes Weiland and the boys look a little suspicious.

Pearl Jam released their debut record with little fanfare at the time, nobody out there really sounded like him (Eddie), yet STP released a record over a year after Ten into a musical environment that had already experienced that trademark "baritone"...

Plus how do you explain the facial expressions

Join the dots and do the math...

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

Ed uses it....ummm...whenever he's not being whiney and nasal.

What?

facepollution

ENOUGH ENOUGH PEOPLE, YES I'M SHOUTING!!!!!

STP recorded a demo under the name Mighty Joe Young around 1990, BEFORE Pearl Jam were known, and they essentially still sound like STP, and more to the point, Weiland still has that deeper voice that everybody is so quick to compare to Vedder's. In addition 4 of the songs from the demo ended up on Core

Here is the PROOF

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KRR_VmnpR-M


The chances are that STP were probably signed because of Pearl Jam's success and stylistically of course there are similarities, but there is no doubt that STP had their own sound before Pearl Jam came on the scene. Therefore all you doubters are all talking cobblers!

I personally love STP, not as much as Pearl Jam, but they have written some of the most memorable songs of the past 15 years.

The_Fixer

elmer wrote:

Neither was the case in all probablility! This 'sound-a-like' debate surely ended upon both bands releasing their second albums.

VS. and Purple were both produced by Brendan O'Brien.

He produced all of STP's albums so it makes sense that their music has some similarities to PJ's.

Everything after Yield is not even close.

Shangrilahdida sucked major a** by the way.