Wilco

Get_Right · February 2008

rhinomagic wrote:

I would NOT call Wilco a jam-band.

I would and do, however, call them among the elite live bands currently making music.

Kudos to them for the residency gigs in Chicago. I enjoy Pearl Jam more than Wilco, but PJ would do well to borrow a few tricks from Wilco's business model.

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how so?

Get_Right · February 2008

wickedmonkeyz wrote:

9:30 club next tuesday

I will be there wed and trying to find a shubert ticket!

soulsinging · February 2008

intodeep wrote:

Blue Eyed Soul
Remember the Mountain Bed with Andrew Bird
Bob Dylan's 49th Beard
Hesistating Beauty with Bird
That's Not the Issue with Bird, Pat on banjo
Wishful Thinking
You Are My Face
Side with the Seeds
A Shot in the Arm
We're Just Friends
Kamera
Handshake Drugs
How to Fight Loneliness with Bird
Jesus, Etc. with Bird
Should've Been in Love
Pick Up the Change
Theologians
Walken
I'm the Man Who Loves You

Via Chicago
Impossible Germany
She's a Jar with Bird
Say You Miss Me
Box Full of Letters
I'm Always in Love
Hate It Here with Bird, horns
The Late Greats
Red-Eyed and Blue
I Got You (At the End of the Century)
Monday
My Darling

Encore:
Can't Stand It with horns
Nothing'severgonnastandinmyway (Again)

were you there? my gf went and she said after my darling, the lights came on and the venue music kicked in and everybody started filing out. she said in the whole time it took her to cheer, figure they weren't coming back, see the lights go on, hear the music, and file slowly to the door, she never heard one more note of music. she was shocked to hear reports that they played those last 2 songs... was it a 10 minute encore break?

josevolution · February 2008

Bird888 wrote:

WILCO played the first night of 5 consecutive shows in Chicago last night. No opening act and played 32 songs. They've announced that they will cover every song they ever recorded during their 5 night stand. Played a bunch of rarities last night.

How cool is that!

Love to experience something like that with PJ

exactly this is what pj should do ...

acoustic guy · February 2008

Nice, I did not know that here were Wilco fans here.
Good to see that.

Bird888 · February 2008

this is a pretty cool site to track songs played:

http://wilcobase.com/songs_played.php

covered in bliss · February 2008

a chicago radio station is broadcasting tonights show live. I'm assuming it will be on their stream-thingy too. (7:30 pm local time)

http://player.streamtheworld.com/CBS/?CALLSIGN=WXRTFM
or
http://www.wxrt.com/

Get_Right · February 2008

josevolution wrote:

exactly this is what pj should do ...

yeah on BROADWAY!

intodeep · February 2008

soulsinging wrote:

were you there? my gf went and she said after my darling, the lights came on and the venue music kicked in and everybody started filing out. she said in the whole time it took her to cheer, figure they weren't coming back, see the lights go on, hear the music, and file slowly to the door, she never heard one more note of music. she was shocked to hear reports that they played those last 2 songs... was it a 10 minute encore break?

I wish iwas there i'm jealous your gf was there.

I'm just pulling setlist from the shows so others can see how incrediably awesome this band is.

I listened to the radio last night and one of the announcers talked about how they came back out even after the lights were on etc so it did happen.

Last night i think Nels Cline's guitar was about to catch on fire. That is the only way i can think of for him to make the sound he did during Handshake drugs.

Night 4 SetList:

Setlist

1. Outta Site (Outta Mind)
2. I Must Be High
3. Impossible Germany
4. Radio Cure
5. Leave Me Like You Found Me (live debut)
6. Company In My Back
7. Handshake Drugs
8. War On War
9. Shake It Off
10. Summerteeth
11. In A Future Age
12. ELT
13. A Shot In The Arm
14. Poor Places
15. Reservations
16. Spiders
17. On And On And On

--Break--

18. Hotel Arizona
19. Too Far Apart
20. Was I In Your Dreams? (w/horns)
21. Misunderstood
22. Someday Soon
23. California Stars
24. Hate It Here (w/horns)
25. The Thanks I Get (w/horns)
26. Walken (w/horns)
27. I'm The Man Who Loves You (w/horns)
28. I'm A Wheel (w/horns)
29. Kingpin
30. Outta Mind (Outta Site)

--Encore--
31. The Late Greats

I love how before Kingpin Jeff asks if anyine is from Peaking or if the radio broadcast can be heard in Peaking

This band is all sorts of awesome.

cdacidvinyl · February 2008

I won tix off the local radio station to the night 1 at the 9:30 club in DC... Can't wait. This will be my first time seeing Wilco.

rhinomagic · February 2008

Get_Right wrote:

how so?

I assume this was in reference to my 'Wilco's business model' comment. If so, I think Wilco does a much better job with touring the entire North American continent without ignoring Europe, Australia, and Japan. It seems as if they go out on shorter treks a couple of times a year, rather than one monster tour for four months. I think it helps keep them fresh and prevents them from getting sick of the road, needing 10 or 12 months off at a clip. They treat their hometown fans to special shows (5 night residency at the Riviera, 4 night run at the Vic for the Kicking Television live album, Millenium Park). They play festivals, amphitheatres, historic venues, Austin City Limits and they embrace vehicles like NPR.

Wilco also has better merchandise than Pearl Jam. They make canvas shopping bags, calendars, scarves, sell their posters online (and donate a portion to charity), use MusicToday for their pre-sale tickets, and don't charge ridiculous shipping costs.

They also used the vehicle of commercial television to push their latest record by signing a deal with Volkswagen. Whether fans love or hate the idea, I was actually able to relate Wilco's music to people who are unfamiliar with the band by pointing out those commercials. I think it was a brilliant marketing move.

When their new records come out, they stream the music free-of-charge on their website months in advance of the release date. This has been going on since Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was recorded. Wilco also is more active in streaming select concerts online and broadcasting them on the radio.

Those are just some of the reasons. Perhaps it is because Pearl Jam has already "made it" and Wilco is still trying to reach that level, but I think it has more to do with Wilco remaining flexible and willing to embrace the evolution of the music industry. Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and wondering if Pearl Jam still wishes it was the golden age of arena rock and behaves as such.

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djonesr · February 2008

KDH12 wrote:

Wilco is NOT a jam band get your shit straight have you ever heard them before?

about 3 seconds till the thread gets moved

Here is an article that says when they became a jam band. So there!

http://www.clevescene.com/2007-05-16/music/wilco/

robbyblaylock · February 2008

i always miss wilco live here in ny. they are easily my second favorite band right now. i have downloaded a few live shows and they blew me away. hopefully i can get my hands on these chicago shows. if you're going to any of these upcoming shows, ENJOY!!!

Get_Right · February 2008

rhinomagic wrote:

I assume this was in reference to my 'Wilco's business model' comment. If so, I think Wilco does a much better job with touring the entire North American continent without ignoring Europe, Australia, and Japan. It seems as if they go out on shorter treks a couple of times a year, rather than one monster tour for four months. I think it helps keep them fresh and prevents them from getting sick of the road, needing 10 or 12 months off at a clip. They treat their hometown fans to special shows (5 night residency at the Riviera, 4 night run at the Vic for the Kicking Television live album, Millenium Park). They play festivals, amphitheatres, historic venues, Austin City Limits and they embrace vehicles like NPR.

Wilco also has better merchandise than Pearl Jam. They make canvas shopping bags, calendars, scarves, sell their posters online (and donate a portion to charity), use MusicToday for their pre-sale tickets, and don't charge ridiculous shipping costs.

They also used the vehicle of commercial television to push their latest record by signing a deal with Volkswagen. Whether fans love or hate the idea, I was actually able to relate Wilco's music to people who are unfamiliar with the band by pointing out those commercials. I think it was a brilliant marketing move.

When their new records come out, they stream the music free-of-charge on their website months in advance of the release date. This has been going on since Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was recorded. Wilco also is more active in streaming select concerts online and broadcasting them on the radio.

Those are just some of the reasons. Perhaps it is because Pearl Jam has already "made it" and Wilco is still trying to reach that level, but I think it has more to do with Wilco remaining flexible and willing to embrace the evolution of the music industry. Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and wondering if Pearl Jam still wishes it was the golden age of arena rock and behaves as such.

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thats not really a business model-sounds like you just prefer that the band plays more often and is generally mroe accessible than PJ

playing more places (thats the bands choice and since wilco doesnt fill arenas, they need to play a lot of gigs) But this is one thing I dig about Wilco, they do play cool venues and you will get two or three shots to see them on a tour-but I really think that is becuase they are a "smaller" band.

And PJ has done a number of special shows, just no residency dates (boston 03 was close though)

I 100% disagree about the merchandise. PJ posters alone blow away all the Wilco gear.

streaming music, yes Wilco does spread the studio music a bit more freely, I will give you that (but what about the PJ bootlegs?????)

tickets through Music today is only a bit cheaper than TM and probably more than ticklets would be if wilco sold them directly , a la ten club.

VW commercial? That was nothing but a sell out, pure and simple, but I respect what Tweedy said about it-"your getting our music for free, so please dont bitch about it, thanks"

by the way Im a huge Wilco fan, but I fail to see how wilco's business model is any better than PJs

and by the way, they are both emulating the grateful dead's business model

except that both PJ and wilco make good studio records

rhinomagic · February 2008

Get_Right wrote:

thats not really a business model-sounds like you just prefer that the band plays more often and is generally mroe accessible than PJ

Fair enough. I just didn't have a better term than 'business model'. You are correct that I am more pleased with Wilco's accessibility and general touring patterns. Can you suggest a more appropriate label for our discussion? I'm drawing blanks...

Get_Right wrote:

playing more places (thats the bands choice and since wilco doesnt fill arenas, they need to play a lot of gigs) But this is one thing I dig about Wilco, they do play cool venues and you will get two or three shots to see them on a tour-but I really think that is becuase they are a "smaller" band.

And PJ has done a number of special shows, just no residency dates (boston 03 was close though)

I will agree with you that a Wilco headlining show vs. a Pearl Jam headlining show is apples to oranges because of the size of the venues they each customarily play. I also think both camps like that about themselves (i.e. Wilco doesn't want to be an arena band and Pearl Jam can't necessarily be a theatre band). I disagree that Pearl Jam's special shows compare favorably with the way Wilco treats Chicago. In the past 5 years, PJ has done very little performing in Seattle proper. They can do better. They do better in NYC, Santa Barbara, Chicago, L.A., and other places. Why not Seattle? (I live in Florida, by the way. Not necessarily a Seattle apologist.)

Get_Right wrote:

I 100% disagree about the merchandise. PJ posters alone blow away all the Wilco gear.

streaming music, yes Wilco does spread the studio music a bit more freely, I will give you that (but what about the PJ bootlegs?????)

Wilco posters are a fairly recent phenomenon. They have played shows together almost as long as Pearl Jam (1990 vs. 1994), but posters aren't as big a deal in the Wilco community as they are in PJ's. That one's probably a poor argument from me because I neglected to mention that 10C sells PJ posters online, if there are ever any left-over or second run copies.

Wilco allows bootlegging and sharing in much the same way as Pearl Jam. PJ's official bootleg enterprise is (best case) on hiatus or (worst case) a failure. I think Wilco's streaming of new studio albums and select concerts gives them a leg up on PJ. PJ used to broadcast concerts on local pirate frequencies and occasionally on national/worldwide satellite, but it has been a long time. It's like they gave up on it.

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Get_Right wrote:

VW commercial? That was nothing but a sell out, pure and simple, but I respect what Tweedy said about it-"your getting our music for free, so please dont bitch about it, thanks"

That's why I said "Whether fans love or hate the idea..." It was risky and made them a bit of a target. I, too, like the reaction of Tweedy. They made a conscious decision to put their new music out in a different forum. You call it a sell-out; I call it flexibility and accessibility for new fans and soon-to-be fans.

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Get_Right wrote:

and by the way, they are both emulating the grateful dead's business model

except that both PJ and wilco make good studio records

You will find no argument from me on that one.

Are bootlegs from the Riviera residency shows popping up yet? I'd love to have the set of five once they're completed.

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inmyrvm · February 2008

wilco's merch is a lot better than pj's. especially their t shirts. nels blows mccready out of the water anymore (he hasn't done anything that special since '03, a lot of the same solos).

rhinomagic · February 2008

inmyrvm wrote:

wilco's merch is a lot better than pj's. especially their t shirts.

The football scarf and kids' items are pretty nifty. I also dig the fact they produce a canvas shopping bag and novelties/toys.

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Kilgore_Trout · February 2008

my buddy was recording the show off of XRT last night... ill try to up it as soon as he gets it to me

Get_Right · February 2008

rhinomagic wrote:

The football scarf and kids' items are pretty nifty. I also dig the fact they produce a canvas shopping bag and novelties/toys.

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the kids stuff is pretty cool
I agree with that

now whos got my shubert ORCH seat????

distantsun · February 2008

calling them a jam band made me laugh out loud.

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