I assume this was in reference to my 'Wilco's business model' comment. If so, I think Wilco does a much better job with touring the entire North American continent without ignoring Europe, Australia, and Japan. It seems as if they go out on shorter treks a couple of times a year, rather than one monster tour for four months. I think it helps keep them fresh and prevents them from getting sick of the road, needing 10 or 12 months off at a clip. They treat their hometown fans to special shows (5 night residency at the Riviera, 4 night run at the Vic for the Kicking Television live album, Millenium Park). They play festivals, amphitheatres, historic venues, Austin City Limits and they embrace vehicles like NPR.
Wilco also has better merchandise than Pearl Jam. They make canvas shopping bags, calendars, scarves, sell their posters online (and donate a portion to charity), use MusicToday for their pre-sale tickets, and don't charge ridiculous shipping costs.
They also used the vehicle of commercial television to push their latest record by signing a deal with Volkswagen. Whether fans love or hate the idea, I was actually able to relate Wilco's music to people who are unfamiliar with the band by pointing out those commercials. I think it was a brilliant marketing move.
When their new records come out, they stream the music free-of-charge on their website months in advance of the release date. This has been going on since Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was recorded. Wilco also is more active in streaming select concerts online and broadcasting them on the radio.
Those are just some of the reasons. Perhaps it is because Pearl Jam has already "made it" and Wilco is still trying to reach that level, but I think it has more to do with Wilco remaining flexible and willing to embrace the evolution of the music industry. Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and wondering if Pearl Jam still wishes it was the golden age of arena rock and behaves as such.
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i always miss wilco live here in ny. they are easily my second favorite band right now. i have downloaded a few live shows and they blew me away. hopefully i can get my hands on these chicago shows. if you're going to any of these upcoming shows, ENJOY!!!
I assume this was in reference to my 'Wilco's business model' comment. If so, I think Wilco does a much better job with touring the entire North American continent without ignoring Europe, Australia, and Japan. It seems as if they go out on shorter treks a couple of times a year, rather than one monster tour for four months. I think it helps keep them fresh and prevents them from getting sick of the road, needing 10 or 12 months off at a clip. They treat their hometown fans to special shows (5 night residency at the Riviera, 4 night run at the Vic for the Kicking Television live album, Millenium Park). They play festivals, amphitheatres, historic venues, Austin City Limits and they embrace vehicles like NPR.
Wilco also has better merchandise than Pearl Jam. They make canvas shopping bags, calendars, scarves, sell their posters online (and donate a portion to charity), use MusicToday for their pre-sale tickets, and don't charge ridiculous shipping costs.
They also used the vehicle of commercial television to push their latest record by signing a deal with Volkswagen. Whether fans love or hate the idea, I was actually able to relate Wilco's music to people who are unfamiliar with the band by pointing out those commercials. I think it was a brilliant marketing move.
When their new records come out, they stream the music free-of-charge on their website months in advance of the release date. This has been going on since Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was recorded. Wilco also is more active in streaming select concerts online and broadcasting them on the radio.
Those are just some of the reasons. Perhaps it is because Pearl Jam has already "made it" and Wilco is still trying to reach that level, but I think it has more to do with Wilco remaining flexible and willing to embrace the evolution of the music industry. Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and wondering if Pearl Jam still wishes it was the golden age of arena rock and behaves as such.
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thats not really a business model-sounds like you just prefer that the band plays more often and is generally mroe accessible than PJ
playing more places (thats the bands choice and since wilco doesnt fill arenas, they need to play a lot of gigs) But this is one thing I dig about Wilco, they do play cool venues and you will get two or three shots to see them on a tour-but I really think that is becuase they are a "smaller" band.
And PJ has done a number of special shows, just no residency dates (boston 03 was close though)
I 100% disagree about the merchandise. PJ posters alone blow away all the Wilco gear.
streaming music, yes Wilco does spread the studio music a bit more freely, I will give you that (but what about the PJ bootlegs?????)
tickets through Music today is only a bit cheaper than TM and probably more than ticklets would be if wilco sold them directly , a la ten club.
VW commercial? That was nothing but a sell out, pure and simple, but I respect what Tweedy said about it-"your getting our music for free, so please dont bitch about it, thanks"
by the way Im a huge Wilco fan, but I fail to see how wilco's business model is any better than PJs
and by the way, they are both emulating the grateful dead's business model
except that both PJ and wilco make good studio records
thats not really a business model-sounds like you just prefer that the band plays more often and is generally mroe accessible than PJ
Fair enough. I just didn't have a better term than 'business model'. You are correct that I am more pleased with Wilco's accessibility and general touring patterns. Can you suggest a more appropriate label for our discussion? I'm drawing blanks...
playing more places (thats the bands choice and since wilco doesnt fill arenas, they need to play a lot of gigs) But this is one thing I dig about Wilco, they do play cool venues and you will get two or three shots to see them on a tour-but I really think that is becuase they are a "smaller" band.
And PJ has done a number of special shows, just no residency dates (boston 03 was close though)
I will agree with you that a Wilco headlining show vs. a Pearl Jam headlining show is apples to oranges because of the size of the venues they each customarily play. I also think both camps like that about themselves (i.e. Wilco doesn't want to be an arena band and Pearl Jam can't necessarily be a theatre band). I disagree that Pearl Jam's special shows compare favorably with the way Wilco treats Chicago. In the past 5 years, PJ has done very little performing in Seattle proper. They can do better. They do better in NYC, Santa Barbara, Chicago, L.A., and other places. Why not Seattle? (I live in Florida, by the way. Not necessarily a Seattle apologist.)
I 100% disagree about the merchandise. PJ posters alone blow away all the Wilco gear.
streaming music, yes Wilco does spread the studio music a bit more freely, I will give you that (but what about the PJ bootlegs?????)
Wilco posters are a fairly recent phenomenon. They have played shows together almost as long as Pearl Jam (1990 vs. 1994), but posters aren't as big a deal in the Wilco community as they are in PJ's. That one's probably a poor argument from me because I neglected to mention that 10C sells PJ posters online, if there are ever any left-over or second run copies.
Wilco allows bootlegging and sharing in much the same way as Pearl Jam. PJ's official bootleg enterprise is (best case) on hiatus or (worst case) a failure. I think Wilco's streaming of new studio albums and select concerts gives them a leg up on PJ. PJ used to broadcast concerts on local pirate frequencies and occasionally on national/worldwide satellite, but it has been a long time. It's like they gave up on it.
VW commercial? That was nothing but a sell out, pure and simple, but I respect what Tweedy said about it-"your getting our music for free, so please dont bitch about it, thanks"
That's why I said "Whether fans love or hate the idea..." It was risky and made them a bit of a target. I, too, like the reaction of Tweedy. They made a conscious decision to put their new music out in a different forum. You call it a sell-out; I call it flexibility and accessibility for new fans and soon-to-be fans.
and by the way, they are both emulating the grateful dead's business model
except that both PJ and wilco make good studio records
You will find no argument from me on that one.
Are bootlegs from the Riviera residency shows popping up yet? I'd love to have the set of five once they're completed.
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wilco's merch is a lot better than pj's. especially their t shirts. nels blows mccready out of the water anymore (he hasn't done anything that special since '03, a lot of the same solos).
"Fuck the talkin' let's start rockin" - Eddie Vedder 9-5-00 Pittsburgh
4/26/03 Pittsburgh 5/3/03 State College 7/12/03 Hershey 10/1/04 Reading 9/28/05 Pittsburgh 5/20/06 Cleveland 6/23/06 Pittsburgh 6/22/08 DC
friends don't let friends listen to good charlotte
wilco's merch is a lot better than pj's. especially their t shirts.
The football scarf and kids' items are pretty nifty. I also dig the fact they produce a canvas shopping bag and novelties/toys.
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Memphis 1994 New Orleans 1995 Fort Lauderdale 1996 Atlanta & Birmingham 1998 New Orleans 2000 Tampa 2003 Kissimmee 2004 New York City (x 2) 2008 East Troy (x 2) 2011 Chicago & New Orleans 2013 Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016 Baltimore2020 Louisville 2022 Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
I don't think that's the term that should be used, but I can see how someone might lump them in.
Wilco's a bit too progressive and experimental on-stage to be closely identified with Widespread Panic and the like.
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Memphis 1994 New Orleans 1995 Fort Lauderdale 1996 Atlanta & Birmingham 1998 New Orleans 2000 Tampa 2003 Kissimmee 2004 New York City (x 2) 2008 East Troy (x 2) 2011 Chicago & New Orleans 2013 Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016 Baltimore2020 Louisville 2022 Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
Is anyone going to see Wilco on the current tour? I'd love to go to Mobile, but I'm starting a new job that day and probably can't make the drive over in time.
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I'm just pulling setlist from the shows so others can see how incrediably awesome this band is.
I listened to the radio last night and one of the announcers talked about how they came back out even after the lights were on etc so it did happen.
Last night i think Nels Cline's guitar was about to catch on fire. That is the only way i can think of for him to make the sound he did during Handshake drugs.
Night 4 SetList:
Setlist
1. Outta Site (Outta Mind)
2. I Must Be High
3. Impossible Germany
4. Radio Cure
5. Leave Me Like You Found Me (live debut)
6. Company In My Back
7. Handshake Drugs
8. War On War
9. Shake It Off
10. Summerteeth
11. In A Future Age
12. ELT
13. A Shot In The Arm
14. Poor Places
15. Reservations
16. Spiders
17. On And On And On
--Break--
18. Hotel Arizona
19. Too Far Apart
20. Was I In Your Dreams? (w/horns)
21. Misunderstood
22. Someday Soon
23. California Stars
24. Hate It Here (w/horns)
25. The Thanks I Get (w/horns)
26. Walken (w/horns)
27. I'm The Man Who Loves You (w/horns)
28. I'm A Wheel (w/horns)
29. Kingpin
30. Outta Mind (Outta Site)
--Encore--
31. The Late Greats
I love how before Kingpin Jeff asks if anyine is from Peaking or if the radio broadcast can be heard in Peaking
This band is all sorts of awesome.
Pekin! As in Pekin, Illinois. Its an hour south of chicago. Somebody in the crowd was from Pekin. That's why he asked. They apparently drove up each of the 4 nights. That part was covered on the radio broadcast.
Got an awesome boot from 90 of jeff tweedy, jay farrar, and the lead singer of the Bottle Rockets and a drummer. Playing at the old cicero's in st. louis.
They played 4 shows as coffee creek. Roughly 30 songs and almost all covers. it is pretty amazing.
Got an awesome boot from 90 of jeff tweedy, jay farrar, and the lead singer of the Bottle Rockets and a drummer. Playing at the old cicero's in st. louis.
They played 4 shows as coffee creek. Roughly 30 songs and almost all covers. it is pretty amazing.
could you up it to mediafire and share the link?? thanks!
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I assume this was in reference to my 'Wilco's business model' comment. If so, I think Wilco does a much better job with touring the entire North American continent without ignoring Europe, Australia, and Japan. It seems as if they go out on shorter treks a couple of times a year, rather than one monster tour for four months. I think it helps keep them fresh and prevents them from getting sick of the road, needing 10 or 12 months off at a clip. They treat their hometown fans to special shows (5 night residency at the Riviera, 4 night run at the Vic for the Kicking Television live album, Millenium Park). They play festivals, amphitheatres, historic venues, Austin City Limits and they embrace vehicles like NPR.
Wilco also has better merchandise than Pearl Jam. They make canvas shopping bags, calendars, scarves, sell their posters online (and donate a portion to charity), use MusicToday for their pre-sale tickets, and don't charge ridiculous shipping costs.
They also used the vehicle of commercial television to push their latest record by signing a deal with Volkswagen. Whether fans love or hate the idea, I was actually able to relate Wilco's music to people who are unfamiliar with the band by pointing out those commercials. I think it was a brilliant marketing move.
When their new records come out, they stream the music free-of-charge on their website months in advance of the release date. This has been going on since Yankee Hotel Foxtrot was recorded. Wilco also is more active in streaming select concerts online and broadcasting them on the radio.
Those are just some of the reasons. Perhaps it is because Pearl Jam has already "made it" and Wilco is still trying to reach that level, but I think it has more to do with Wilco remaining flexible and willing to embrace the evolution of the music industry. Sometimes I'm left scratching my head and wondering if Pearl Jam still wishes it was the golden age of arena rock and behaves as such.
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New Orleans 1995
Fort Lauderdale 1996
Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
New Orleans 2000
Tampa 2003
Kissimmee 2004
New York City (x 2) 2008
East Troy (x 2) 2011
Chicago & New Orleans 2013
Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
Baltimore 2020
Louisville 2022
Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
Here is an article that says when they became a jam band. So there!
http://www.clevescene.com/2007-05-16/music/wilco/
playing more places (thats the bands choice and since wilco doesnt fill arenas, they need to play a lot of gigs) But this is one thing I dig about Wilco, they do play cool venues and you will get two or three shots to see them on a tour-but I really think that is becuase they are a "smaller" band.
And PJ has done a number of special shows, just no residency dates (boston 03 was close though)
I 100% disagree about the merchandise. PJ posters alone blow away all the Wilco gear.
streaming music, yes Wilco does spread the studio music a bit more freely, I will give you that (but what about the PJ bootlegs?????)
tickets through Music today is only a bit cheaper than TM and probably more than ticklets would be if wilco sold them directly , a la ten club.
VW commercial? That was nothing but a sell out, pure and simple, but I respect what Tweedy said about it-"your getting our music for free, so please dont bitch about it, thanks"
by the way Im a huge Wilco fan, but I fail to see how wilco's business model is any better than PJs
and by the way, they are both emulating the grateful dead's business model
except that both PJ and wilco make good studio records
Fair enough. I just didn't have a better term than 'business model'. You are correct that I am more pleased with Wilco's accessibility and general touring patterns. Can you suggest a more appropriate label for our discussion? I'm drawing blanks...
I will agree with you that a Wilco headlining show vs. a Pearl Jam headlining show is apples to oranges because of the size of the venues they each customarily play. I also think both camps like that about themselves (i.e. Wilco doesn't want to be an arena band and Pearl Jam can't necessarily be a theatre band). I disagree that Pearl Jam's special shows compare favorably with the way Wilco treats Chicago. In the past 5 years, PJ has done very little performing in Seattle proper. They can do better. They do better in NYC, Santa Barbara, Chicago, L.A., and other places. Why not Seattle? (I live in Florida, by the way. Not necessarily a Seattle apologist.)
Wilco posters are a fairly recent phenomenon. They have played shows together almost as long as Pearl Jam (1990 vs. 1994), but posters aren't as big a deal in the Wilco community as they are in PJ's. That one's probably a poor argument from me because I neglected to mention that 10C sells PJ posters online, if there are ever any left-over or second run copies.
Wilco allows bootlegging and sharing in much the same way as Pearl Jam. PJ's official bootleg enterprise is (best case) on hiatus or (worst case) a failure. I think Wilco's streaming of new studio albums and select concerts gives them a leg up on PJ. PJ used to broadcast concerts on local pirate frequencies and occasionally on national/worldwide satellite, but it has been a long time. It's like they gave up on it.
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That's why I said "Whether fans love or hate the idea..." It was risky and made them a bit of a target. I, too, like the reaction of Tweedy. They made a conscious decision to put their new music out in a different forum. You call it a sell-out; I call it flexibility and accessibility for new fans and soon-to-be fans.
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You will find no argument from me on that one.
Are bootlegs from the Riviera residency shows popping up yet? I'd love to have the set of five once they're completed.
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New Orleans 1995
Fort Lauderdale 1996
Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
New Orleans 2000
Tampa 2003
Kissimmee 2004
New York City (x 2) 2008
East Troy (x 2) 2011
Chicago & New Orleans 2013
Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
Baltimore 2020
Louisville 2022
Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
4/26/03 Pittsburgh 5/3/03 State College 7/12/03 Hershey 10/1/04 Reading 9/28/05 Pittsburgh 5/20/06 Cleveland 6/23/06 Pittsburgh 6/22/08 DC
friends don't let friends listen to good charlotte
The football scarf and kids' items are pretty nifty. I also dig the fact they produce a canvas shopping bag and novelties/toys.
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New Orleans 1995
Fort Lauderdale 1996
Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
New Orleans 2000
Tampa 2003
Kissimmee 2004
New York City (x 2) 2008
East Troy (x 2) 2011
Chicago & New Orleans 2013
Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
Baltimore 2020
Louisville 2022
Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
http://seanbriceart.com/
the kids stuff is pretty cool
I agree with that
now whos got my shubert ORCH seat????
I don't think that's the term that should be used, but I can see how someone might lump them in.
Wilco's a bit too progressive and experimental on-stage to be closely identified with Widespread Panic and the like.
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New Orleans 1995
Fort Lauderdale 1996
Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
New Orleans 2000
Tampa 2003
Kissimmee 2004
New York City (x 2) 2008
East Troy (x 2) 2011
Chicago & New Orleans 2013
Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
Baltimore 2020
Louisville 2022
Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
um, i still need to break the news to you. Wilco is not and will never be a "jam band".
Why contain yourself like any other book on the shelf?
Subtle voices in the wind hear the truth they're telling.
A world begins where the road ends.
Watch me leave it all behind.
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New Orleans 1995
Fort Lauderdale 1996
Atlanta & Birmingham 1998
New Orleans 2000
Tampa 2003
Kissimmee 2004
New York City (x 2) 2008
East Troy (x 2) 2011
Chicago & New Orleans 2013
Hampton, Raleigh, Boston 2016
Baltimore 2020
Louisville 2022
Philadelphia & Baltimore 2024
Pekin! As in Pekin, Illinois. Its an hour south of chicago. Somebody in the crowd was from Pekin. That's why he asked. They apparently drove up each of the 4 nights. That part was covered on the radio broadcast.
They played 4 shows as coffee creek. Roughly 30 songs and almost all covers. it is pretty amazing.
http://seanbriceart.com/
That is like calling Pearl Jam a jam band.
And I saw them twice in March. Freakin' sweet. $25 tickets.