Blackholes and Revelations!!!

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  • marker_in_the_sand
    marker_in_the_sand Posts: 272
    muse is the fucking worst band in the world
    and more I won't say
    I don't want to be the fool that's behind me but I am...

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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Arctangent wrote:
    why would a band not talking to the audience make them a bad live act? two of the best live acts i have ever seen, tool and neurosis, didn't say a word to the audience all night. didn't stop them being fantastic live. muse have songs good enough to make their live shows amazing whether they talk to the audience or not.

    becos if there's no spontaneity or personality, why shell out $50 to go to the show when you can just play the album loud at home?
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Soupy wrote:
    Oddly I think Muse are a better studio band than live act.

    Saw them live at Wembley Arena (not stadium) last year and was slightly disapointed, they played well but really Matt probably muttered about 10 words alnight and all the songs played were nearly Idenical to there album counterparts. Sure there were lots of effects (fireworks, lights, balloons) but more crowd interaction and some reworking of the songs would have been better (like Pearl Jam and The Tragically Hip do).

    i dont know if id go so far as to say they're better in studio, but i was underwhelmed by their lolla set. the songs were note for note off the album and nobody in the band had any personality. the singer didnt say a word. twice the dummer said "thanks" and that was it. it felt as personal and intimate as watching a tv show.

    that said, black holes is still a fucking amazing album.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,898
    soulsinging wrote:
    becos if there's no spontaneity or personality, why shell out $50 to go to the show when you can just play the album loud at home?


    That's not true at all, they are 100% times better live...those that don't see/hear it have no soul. ;)
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    cincybearcat wrote:
    That's not true at all, they are 100% times better live...those that don't see/hear it have no soul. ;)

    i didn't say they weren't good or i didnt enjoy it. just saying that connecting with the crowd CAN be a very important part of the live show. they got up there and played well... but it was note for note off the album. no improv, no unscripted moments. they were professional and damned good. but it lacked spontaneity which is something i like in a live show... cos i have a soul and im not a robot ;)
  • pwoperrock38
    pwoperrock38 Posts: 11
    I love Muse. Their music effects me so much, especially live. I don't really care that much for what lights or visuals they have, I always think that stuff is more for the fans who aren't near the stage at a large show or festival setting. I would love to see them in a small venue, don't think that is happening anytime soon. =/

    Muse have never been that talkative live. It's interesting about the comment about the band not talking much at their Wembley Stadium shows, because from an interview with Matt Bellamy, he said because the audience was so far away, he felt the need to talk more to connect. So, I guess from his view, he thought he was being talkative haha

    About BHandR, I'm on a "Take A Bow" kick right now, I like the way it keeps building. "Knights of Cydonia" is so much fun live, I definitely prefer it over the cd version. I am still wishing to hear "Assassin" live, Grand Omega Boss edit of course. Their music can go in so many different directions and I love that.

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  • SENROCK
    SENROCK Posts: 10,736
    Romanza wrote:
    MUSE IS THE SHIT!

    Holy crap. I knew this album was good but it went on the backburner for the last year.

    Just pulled it out again tonight.

    How awesome is "Exo-Politics" by the way????

    Just thought I'd throw it out for some much appreciation!


    yeah MUSE is pretty rockin. I saw them at lolla for the first time & they brought the house down. I've been diggin their music for a while but just haddnt seen them before. Everyone should check em out if given the chance!!!
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  • (UK)_foxymop
    (UK)_foxymop Posts: 234
    soulsinging wrote:
    i didn't say they weren't good or i didnt enjoy it. just saying that connecting with the crowd CAN be a very important part of the live show. they got up there and played well... but it was note for note off the album. no improv, no unscripted moments. they were professional and damned good. but it lacked spontaneity which is something i like in a live show... cos i have a soul and im not a robot ;)

    You need to see them more than once and get over this 'talking to the crowd' hang up you have ;)

    I'm glad they don't say too much .. I get totally swept along by the music and visuals, so for me it would ruin the flow of the show. Matt has said he should work on his banter but he'd probably just say somethig stupid:D So the occasional 'off the cuff' remark is fine .. rather that than the scripted rapport some bands use, same jokes and comments every time you see them!:rolleyes:

    Muse are energetic to watch too .. a band that just stand over their mics trying to look cool bores me, you want to see a band enjoying their music as much as you are (side note .. I loved watching Mike and Jeff at Wembley :D)

    Not sure I agree with your "note for note off the album" .. they don't change songs noticeably but they definitely sound different live. They have a much more energetic, raw quality. ALL the songs on Black Holes & Revelations sound better live (plus New Born & Plug in Baby, always amazing!) At Lollapalooza there was longer pauses between songs than normal because they had problems with their monitors .. they could only hear the guitars and Matt's vocals which may be a reason for playing more stictly to the album (??) They usually do plenty of riffs to connect songs too and have been known to improv (especially Matt with the piano)
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  • Arctangent
    Arctangent Posts: 614
    i don't agree with the nore for note thing either... when i saw them last november they were altering and improvising the songs and especially the solos. citizen erased in particular i recall being pretty different.

    and a band doesn't need to speak to the audience to connect, although when i saw them muse did speak to the audience, although not matt. just about the best live band at the moment are tool and maynard hardly speaks to the audience. doesn't stop the music connecting with the audience.
  • Sian-of-the-dead
    Sian-of-the-dead Posts: 8,963
    In my humble opinion......

    Muse are shit.
    Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...

    ... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    When I saw Muse at the Forum they jammed on at least 2 songs including a 7 minute version of Stolkholm Syndrome that was EPIC.
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  • (UK)_foxymop
    (UK)_foxymop Posts: 234
    Sian-of-the-dead wrote:
    In my humble opinion......

    Muse are shit.

    I'll correct your spelling error

    Muse are hits


    ... easy mistake, but don't let it happen again ;)
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  • (UK)_foxymop
    (UK)_foxymop Posts: 234
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    When I saw Muse at the Forum they jammed on at least 2 songs including a 7 minute version of Stolkholm Syndrome that was EPIC.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1i8rnNPSTU


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  • Ricsard
    Ricsard Posts: 1,943
    Muse got big by their legendary performances of the last 7 years - mostly without fuckin' MTV. That makes them more fantastic!
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    (UK)_foxymop wrote:
    You need to see them more than once and get over this 'talking to the crowd' hang up you have ;)

    I'm glad they don't say too much .. I get totally swept along by the music and visuals, so for me it would ruin the flow of the show. Matt has said he should work on his banter but he'd probably just say somethig stupid:D So the occasional 'off the cuff' remark is fine .. rather that than the scripted rapport some bands use, same jokes and comments every time you see them!:rolleyes:

    Muse are energetic to watch too .. a band that just stand over their mics trying to look cool bores me, you want to see a band enjoying their music as much as you are (side note .. I loved watching Mike and Jeff at Wembley :D)

    Not sure I agree with your "note for note off the album" .. they don't change songs noticeably but they definitely sound different live. They have a much more energetic, raw quality. ALL the songs on Black Holes & Revelations sound better live (plus New Born & Plug in Baby, always amazing!) At Lollapalooza there was longer pauses between songs than normal because they had problems with their monitors .. they could only hear the guitars and Matt's vocals which may be a reason for playing more stictly to the album (??) They usually do plenty of riffs to connect songs too and have been known to improv (especially Matt with the piano)

    it's not just talking to the crowd per se... like you said, i don't like the scripting. if it's the same tired banter night to night... that's bad. if it's the same silence and the same songs in the same order note for note... also bad. perhaps their tech issues at lolla did stifle any spontaneity, but i didn't notice any differences from live to album except the volume really. id definitely go see them again and give them another shot, just saying their lolla set wasn't quite as cool as id been hoping (i was more excited for muse that weekend than pearl jam!)
  • Ricsard
    Ricsard Posts: 1,943
    soulsinging wrote:
    (i was more excited for muse that weekend than pearl jam!)

    ...now I see where the problem is;)
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  • (UK)_foxymop
    (UK)_foxymop Posts: 234
    soulsinging wrote:
    id definitely go see them again and give them another shot, just saying their lolla set wasn't quite as cool as id been hoping (i was more excited for muse that weekend than pearl jam!)
    I like you now :D

    It's sometimes the way .. you look forward to seeing a band so much they just can't live up to expectation. Then others you're not expecting to like can sometimes really surprise (*cough*My Chemical Romance*cough*;))
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  • Dark Division
    Dark Division Posts: 6
    Muse are amazing. I saw them at Reading last year. They gotta be the best band in the world right now.

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