Metallica - Death Magnetic

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  • mole1985
    mole1985 Posts: 1,119
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    The new album is great but its still hard to let this go.....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pedo_Wna0T0

    I don't know why people think it's OK to steal music. Is it just because you don't have to steal it from a store or something? I think the whole downloading thing has been blown out of proportion. Just because a guy steals say £200 worth of music in one month doesn't mean he's cost the industry £200 because chances are he wouldn't have bought that much anyway. Still it is wrong.
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  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    mole1985 wrote:
    I don't know why people think it's OK to steal music. Is it just because you don't have to steal it from a store or something? I think the whole downloading thing has been blown out of proportion. Just because a guy steals say £200 worth of music in one month doesn't mean he's cost the industry £200 because chances are he wouldn't have bought that much anyway. Still it is wrong.

    That is a good point, one that people often forget. I think the problem is, when stealing becomes as easy as clicking a mouse within the comforts of home, people forget that it is still stealing after all.
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  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    People who always bring who the napster shit 7 years later neglect to mention the reason the whole Napster battle started was because somehow an unfinish version of one of their songs (I Disappear) ended up on Napster. I would have been fucking pissed as well. IN investigating that they found that all of their music was being made available for free. Again, I would be pissed. I think maybe they went about it the wrong way but come on it. It's not like every person they "sued" got a document from a lawyer or something.
  • F5
    F5 Posts: 794
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    The new album is great but its still hard to let this go.....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pedo_Wna0T0

    Yes I will quote myself here :) I have nothing against Lars for standing up against illegal file sharing (beacuse it was the right thing to do) what bugs me is his childlike behavior about the whole thing. Instead of gracefully standing up to Napster in court he stormed over to their central server with a list of every person who had downloaded a Metallica song (I'm sure my name was on that list ;) ) and demanded they be banned acting like it was a personal insult to him. I agree that illegal file sharing is wrong but for a man with millions of dollars to target and treat his fans like they were stealing a Bentley out of his driveway is not cool. But hey thats just my opinion to each his own.
    On the other hand thanks to all those Mp3's I downloaded years ago I own way more CD's. (CD's I know I wouldn't own if it wasn't for Illegal file sharing) I bet you anything I wouldn't own half of the ones I do if it wasn't for programs like Napster.

    P.S. I bought the new Metallica album and YES its awesome. So Lars I forgive you :)
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  • mole1985
    mole1985 Posts: 1,119
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    I agree that illegal file sharing is wrong but for a man with millions of dollars to target and treat his fans like they were stealing a Bentley out of his driveway is not cool.

    I see what your sayin. A lot of people were against Lars because he was a millionaire and he didn't need anymore money BUT no one is goin to listen to some guy from a little band are they? They needed someone big to put this case forward, a lot of musicians were agreeing with Lars but they were just to cowedley to make a stand themselves.

    Anywhoo this time tomorrow i'll be seein Metallica for the first time. I'm pumped for this especially after seein' the Berlin setlist.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    mitchmoore2 wrote:
    On the other hand thanks to all those Mp3's I downloaded years ago I own way more CD's. (CD's I know I wouldn't own if it wasn't for Illegal file sharing) I bet you anything I wouldn't own half of the ones I do if it wasn't for programs like Napster.
    Exactly, and this is something Lars will never understand.

    I've mentioned this before but I once, rather bashfully, admitted to a musician that I had downloaded his album illegally and he told me he would rather I stole it than never get a chance to hear it. THAT should be the attitude of an artist. Lars is not an artist, Lars is a businessman. Add to this the fact that, unlike Lars, the musician I am talking about probably hasn't seen a royalty from the album since 1986 and has a 9 to 5 job. He was still just happy that I'd heard it. One day I'll reward the guy by shelling out what will probably be a small fortune for a vinyl copy of the record, since that's all that's available. I'll never put another penny in the back pocket of Lars Ulrich.

    I'll illegally download Death Magnetic soon and then post my thoughts :)
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  • Mike_Muse_Rage
    Mike_Muse_Rage Posts: 677
    I really enjoyed this album; initially I was worried as I enjoyed Load/Reload/St. Anger and I didn't want the band to force the thrash aspect back in but they really did pull it off. Interesting that all the songs were written by every band member too; that's never happened before.
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    Mike_Muse_Rage wrote:
    initially I was worried as I enjoyed Load/Reload/St. Anger and I didn't want the band to force the thrash aspect back in but they really did pull it off.

    Exactly. There's really no faking on this album. It's not like they tried to go back to thrash for the sake of it, they actually were at that point as a band and were able to slide back into it. Whenever you try to force something out of yourself, that's when a bad album happens. You gotta go with what you got. And it would seem they are really back to thrash.
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  • rhcpjam1029
    rhcpjam1029 Posts: 1,982
    I've got The Judas Kiss as my ringtone right now.

    I think each member shows their top strengths on certain songs.

    James (Vocals):That Was Just Your Life
    Rob:The End of the Line
    Lars:Suicide and Redemption
    Kirk:The Judas Kiss

    Great album. I was reading on amazon.com though how people were disappointed with how it sounds. Supposedly they did a lot of distortion through the computer. I'm not too familiar with this kind of stuff but anyone else notice this?
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  • rlwcycle
    rlwcycle Posts: 2
    This album is a fuckin monster.
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    i've yet to listen to the new album in its entirety but i hear its great! but from the few songs i have heard, i think the boys are finally back!
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,594
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Exactly, and this is something Lars will never understand.

    I've mentioned this before but I once, rather bashfully, admitted to a musician that I had downloaded his album illegally and he told me he would rather I stole it than never get a chance to hear it. THAT should be the attitude of an artist. Lars is not an artist, Lars is a businessman. Add to this the fact that, unlike Lars, the musician I am talking about probably hasn't seen a royalty from the album since 1986 and has a 9 to 5 job. He was still just happy that I'd heard it. One day I'll reward the guy by shelling out what will probably be a small fortune for a vinyl copy of the record, since that's all that's available. I'll never put another penny in the back pocket of Lars Ulrich.

    I'll illegally download Death Magnetic soon and then post my thoughts :)

    Ugh...so gross...he owes you nothing...
  • Kann
    Kann Posts: 1,146
    pjl44 wrote:
    Ugh...so gross...he owes you nothing...
    You're missing the point. Many people say smaller bands, bands who had less voice, were behing Lars for the Napster stuff. But napster helped smaller bands get knowed. Because, aside from making the industry loose money, piracy helps little bands get known. You spread your music without the help of mainstream media if you will (if it weren't for file sharing, I wouldn't know half the bands I listen to - I listen, then I buy). That's something Lars can't understand (somewhat ironic as their internet adventure earned them some publicity). Add that to the fact that treating your fans like criminals is stupid and you have a stupid douche - a douche who owes us nothing though.
  • hrd2imgn
    hrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,925
    I realize how SHITTY BOB ROCK made Metallica for a long time

    thank god they finally ditched him and are back to being METALLICA, metal up your ass, long ass song playing, guitar solo shredding, justice high hat having, double guitar solo doin, LISTEN TO IT LOUD MOTHER FUCKERSSS!!!! album having band

    this is the best they have had in a long time

    fuck radio friendly and video friendly
  • Odin
    Odin Posts: 599
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Exactly, and this is something Lars will never understand.

    I've mentioned this before but I once, rather bashfully, admitted to a musician that I had downloaded his album illegally and he told me he would rather I stole it than never get a chance to hear it. THAT should be the attitude of an artist. Lars is not an artist, Lars is a businessman. Add to this the fact that, unlike Lars, the musician I am talking about probably hasn't seen a royalty from the album since 1986 and has a 9 to 5 job. He was still just happy that I'd heard it. One day I'll reward the guy by shelling out what will probably be a small fortune for a vinyl copy of the record, since that's all that's available. I'll never put another penny in the back pocket of Lars Ulrich.

    I'll illegally download Death Magnetic soon and then post my thoughts :)

    Comparing Metallica to some unknown band is not an apples-to-apples comparison, Jeremy. Whereas the Internet and even digital downloading can benefit "underground" musicians (due to increased exposure), it hinders bands like Metallica that have established fanbases in the millions.
  • Gossard_Is_God
    Gossard_Is_God Posts: 1,031
    This album is a piece of shit, i feel like im in the fucking 80s again, and Lars' drumming is still as dull as ever.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    pjl44 wrote:
    Ugh...so gross...he owes you nothing...
    It works both ways. The fans who were downloading his music illegally from Napster were doing so during a period in Metallica's career when they'd be shelling out £15 for an album that was almost guaranteed to suck without ever having a chance to listen to it and see if it was worth it. Metallica's fans didn't owe them anything either but they still got treated as criminals.

    Bottom line, when you're a multi-millionaire claiming that people were stealing your "art" and hard graft, don't shit out stuff like St Anger if you want people to give a damn for your cause.

    As long as poor, hardworking musicians are busting their asses making incredible music and STILL would rather someone stole it than not hear it, I know where my priorities lie.

    I'm totally in favour of paying musicians for their work. I'm doubly in favour of those who treat the fattening of their wallet as a happy sideline to the joy they get from teenage kids who can't afford to pay turning up to their gigs and singing along to every word of a song they didn't shell out £0.79 for a digitalised rendering of.

    If our morals differ, sorry, I don't give a fuck.
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  • obiwon76
    obiwon76 Posts: 568
    Great all around. VH1 showed "Some Kind Of Monster" the other night and it was interesting to see how the band's internal turmoil resulted into "St.Anger" which we can agree was their worst album. This album is refreshing and I can't wait to hear the new songs live.
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  • MagnusonPark82
    MagnusonPark82 Posts: 180
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    I didnt know it was out now... Well todays my day off, and I just got paid. Looks like I'll be heading over to best buy in a few. Just from the one song I'veheard and clips of other songs, it sounds very promising. This is coming from someone who doesn't listen to Metallica....at all.

    I hope that you enjoy it. It really is a killer album.
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  • stickfig13
    stickfig13 Posts: 1,532
    I've listened to this album a few times after "borrowing it" off the net.....

    It's loud and somewhat entertaining, but I just can't over my pure hatred of what Metallica has done for the last 10+ years.

    I just feel like these "Old" guys are still trying to inject hate and anger into their new tunes and they just can't pull it off. They have nothing to be angry about anymore. It just seems so fake.


    I do like the fact that Hammet actually has solos on this album.

    Overall, its worth the money, but still has the St. Anger cheese factor.
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