Exactly, and this is something Lars will never understand.
I've mentioned this before but I once, rather bashfully, admitted to a musician that I had downloaded his album illegally and he told me he would rather I stole it than never get a chance to hear it. THAT should be the attitude of an artist. Lars is not an artist, Lars is a businessman. Add to this the fact that, unlike Lars, the musician I am talking about probably hasn't seen a royalty from the album since 1986 and has a 9 to 5 job. He was still just happy that I'd heard it. One day I'll reward the guy by shelling out what will probably be a small fortune for a vinyl copy of the record, since that's all that's available. I'll never put another penny in the back pocket of Lars Ulrich.
I'll illegally download Death Magnetic soon and then post my thoughts
You're missing the point. Many people say smaller bands, bands who had less voice, were behing Lars for the Napster stuff. But napster helped smaller bands get knowed. Because, aside from making the industry loose money, piracy helps little bands get known. You spread your music without the help of mainstream media if you will (if it weren't for file sharing, I wouldn't know half the bands I listen to - I listen, then I buy). That's something Lars can't understand (somewhat ironic as their internet adventure earned them some publicity). Add that to the fact that treating your fans like criminals is stupid and you have a stupid douche - a douche who owes us nothing though.
I realize how SHITTY BOB ROCK made Metallica for a long time
thank god they finally ditched him and are back to being METALLICA, metal up your ass, long ass song playing, guitar solo shredding, justice high hat having, double guitar solo doin, LISTEN TO IT LOUD MOTHER FUCKERSSS!!!! album having band
Exactly, and this is something Lars will never understand.
I've mentioned this before but I once, rather bashfully, admitted to a musician that I had downloaded his album illegally and he told me he would rather I stole it than never get a chance to hear it. THAT should be the attitude of an artist. Lars is not an artist, Lars is a businessman. Add to this the fact that, unlike Lars, the musician I am talking about probably hasn't seen a royalty from the album since 1986 and has a 9 to 5 job. He was still just happy that I'd heard it. One day I'll reward the guy by shelling out what will probably be a small fortune for a vinyl copy of the record, since that's all that's available. I'll never put another penny in the back pocket of Lars Ulrich.
I'll illegally download Death Magnetic soon and then post my thoughts
Comparing Metallica to some unknown band is not an apples-to-apples comparison, Jeremy. Whereas the Internet and even digital downloading can benefit "underground" musicians (due to increased exposure), it hinders bands like Metallica that have established fanbases in the millions.
It works both ways. The fans who were downloading his music illegally from Napster were doing so during a period in Metallica's career when they'd be shelling out £15 for an album that was almost guaranteed to suck without ever having a chance to listen to it and see if it was worth it. Metallica's fans didn't owe them anything either but they still got treated as criminals.
Bottom line, when you're a multi-millionaire claiming that people were stealing your "art" and hard graft, don't shit out stuff like St Anger if you want people to give a damn for your cause.
As long as poor, hardworking musicians are busting their asses making incredible music and STILL would rather someone stole it than not hear it, I know where my priorities lie.
I'm totally in favour of paying musicians for their work. I'm doubly in favour of those who treat the fattening of their wallet as a happy sideline to the joy they get from teenage kids who can't afford to pay turning up to their gigs and singing along to every word of a song they didn't shell out £0.79 for a digitalised rendering of.
If our morals differ, sorry, I don't give a fuck.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Great all around. VH1 showed "Some Kind Of Monster" the other night and it was interesting to see how the band's internal turmoil resulted into "St.Anger" which we can agree was their worst album. This album is refreshing and I can't wait to hear the new songs live.
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I didnt know it was out now... Well todays my day off, and I just got paid. Looks like I'll be heading over to best buy in a few. Just from the one song I'veheard and clips of other songs, it sounds very promising. This is coming from someone who doesn't listen to Metallica....at all.
I hope that you enjoy it. It really is a killer album.
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"Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come...."
I've listened to this album a few times after "borrowing it" off the net.....
It's loud and somewhat entertaining, but I just can't over my pure hatred of what Metallica has done for the last 10+ years.
I just feel like these "Old" guys are still trying to inject hate and anger into their new tunes and they just can't pull it off. They have nothing to be angry about anymore. It just seems so fake.
I do like the fact that Hammet actually has solos on this album.
Overall, its worth the money, but still has the St. Anger cheese factor.
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Small addition to the stealing thing and bands that don't care. I will paraphrase the great David Simon when talking about newspapers having free online editions.....Is there a bigger contempt for your work than giving it away for free?
And can anyone tell me a musical act that has broke to star status from file sharing alone?
It's a nice thing to say I'm glad you heard our music even if you stole it...
Does anyone work for free on this board? I think we all expect to be compensated in some way.
Small addition to the stealing thing and bands that don't care. I will paraphrase the great David Simon when talking about newspapers having free online editions.....Is there a bigger contempt for your work than giving it away for free?
And can anyone tell me a musical act that has broke to star status from file sharing alone?
It's a nice thing to say I'm glad you heard our music even if you stole it...
Does anyone work for free on this board? I think we all expect to be compensated in some way.
The point is not that Metallica have never deserved a penny, they've made some classic albums in their time, it's that a few million dollars in the bank down the line, maybe they should have other priorities?
And yes, I can think of one thing that shows a greater contempt for your work than giving it away for free: Making slipshod crap and charging for it.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Just back from seeing them perform their £5 ($10) show and the new songs are sounding great live
Nice did they mix it up with much old stuff also? ......and $10 is pretty sweet price!
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It works both ways. The fans who were downloading his music illegally from Napster were doing so during a period in Metallica's career when they'd be shelling out £15 for an album that was almost guaranteed to suck without ever having a chance to listen to it and see if it was worth it. Metallica's fans didn't owe them anything either but they still got treated as criminals.
Bottom line, when you're a multi-millionaire claiming that people were stealing your "art" and hard graft, don't shit out stuff like St Anger if you want people to give a damn for your cause.
As long as poor, hardworking musicians are busting their asses making incredible music and STILL would rather someone stole it than not hear it, I know where my priorities lie.
I'm totally in favour of paying musicians for their work. I'm doubly in favour of those who treat the fattening of their wallet as a happy sideline to the joy they get from teenage kids who can't afford to pay turning up to their gigs and singing along to every word of a song they didn't shell out £0.79 for a digitalised rendering of.
If our morals differ, sorry, I don't give a fuck.
Nice.
My morals differ, gimme a 320mp3 and it'll suffice -I'm outta the frame now and did my time paying out(exceptions exist).
they're back. whether they're still my thing i haven't decided yet, but death magnetic is a strong return to 80's form. and james has stopped his embarassing gene simmonsisms. it's really good.
This album is awesome. I know some people will still say they're over past their prime and stuff, but this music is some of the best new shit I've heard in a while. They all proved they can still bring it. It's good to hear Kirk shred again!
"In certain trying circumstances...profanity furnishes a relief denied even to prayer." - Mark Twain
metallica is my top band along with PJ. im so happy that the album rocks although i knew it would do all along.
saw them last night in london for the death magnetic release party gig and it was just immense.
setlist:
That Was Just Your Life
The End Of The Line
The Thing That Should Not Be
Of Wolf And Man
One
Broken, Beat And Scarred
Cyanide
Frantic
Until It Sleeps
Wherever I May Roam
For Whom The Bell Tolls
The Day That Never Comes
Master Of Puppets
Blackened
- - - - - - - -
Stone Cold Crazy
Jump In The Fire
Seek and Destroy
also managed to grab a couple of picks and one of the giant black metallica beach balls that were dropped from the ceiling onto the crowd during seek and destroy!!
it was amazing. they are definitely BACK.
2006 - Astoria, Dublin, Leeds
2007 - London
2009 - London, Manchester, London
2010 - Dublin, Belfast, London
2011 - Alpine Valley x2
2012 - Isle of Wight, Manchester x2
metallica is my top band along with PJ. im so happy that the album rocks although i knew it would do all along.
saw them last night in london for the death magnetic release party gig and it was just immense.
setlist:
That Was Just Your Life
The End Of The Line
The Thing That Should Not Be
Of Wolf And Man
One
Broken, Beat And Scarred
Cyanide
Frantic
Until It Sleeps
Wherever I May Roam
For Whom The Bell Tolls
The Day That Never Comes
Master Of Puppets
Blackened
- - - - - - - -
Stone Cold Crazy
Jump In The Fire
Seek and Destroy
also managed to grab a couple of picks and one of the giant black metallica beach balls that were dropped from the ceiling onto the crowd during seek and destroy!!
it was amazing. they are definitely BACK.
I was there last night too. It was a really great show. And it was funny to see people fighting over them balloons at the end trying to take one home lol. I was seating but i had a great view. Think i might join the fanclub to increase my chances of gettin tickets when they tour next year.
I was there last night too. It was a really great show. And it was funny to see people fighting over them balloons at the end trying to take one home lol. I was seating but i had a great view. Think i might join the fanclub to increase my chances of gettin tickets when they tour next year.
Glad you made it! Was a great show. We had a great view from the seats where we were. jack you standing lot looked pretty packed in down there
Stranger was seeing the guys dancing with their beach balls
So are we strangers now? Like rock and roll and the radio?
it was pretty packed out in standing yeah.. although when everyone was moving around there was quite a bit of room to be honest. had a great time down there. was also really cool as the band walked through a part of the standing area to get onto the stage and i got a high 5 from james and rob!
such a good gig. first gig i've ever been to where the stage has been in the middle, loved it.
got back into manchester at half 7 this morning after a 6 hour coach journey! so tired but so worth it!
2006 - Astoria, Dublin, Leeds
2007 - London
2009 - London, Manchester, London
2010 - Dublin, Belfast, London
2011 - Alpine Valley x2
2012 - Isle of Wight, Manchester x2
it was pretty packed out in standing yeah.. although when everyone was moving around there was quite a bit of room to be honest. had a great time down there. was also really cool as the band walked through a part of the standing area to get onto the stage and i got a high 5 from james and rob!
such a good gig. first gig i've ever been to where the stage has been in the middle, loved it.
got back into manchester at half 7 this morning after a 6 hour coach journey! so tired but so worth it!
Ouch! We got back at 3.40. Went straight to bed but damn i woke up at 8 and i couldn't get back to sleep :( Ah well fuck it i'm off work this week. Might go pick up the new South Park series.
The crowd was a little bit tamer then i thought it would be tho not that it made much difference anywhoo.
Agree. BB&S and All Nightmare Long are the best tracks!
Those are my favorite right now too. I like Suicide and Redemption too; it's badass to make one of your ten tracks and Instrumental for almost 10 minutes. That's Metallica!
2005: Borgata 2, Philly
2006: Camden 1&2, East Ruth 1&2
2008: BONNAROO, MSG1, MSG2, Hartford
2009: Philly 1, 2, 4
2010: Hartford, MSG1, MSG2
2012: Made in America
2013: BK1, BK2, Hartford
2015: Global Citizens
2016: MSG 2 (ISO MSG1)
EV Solo: NJPAC 2008; Tower Theatre, PA 2009; Hartford 2011
My god, what a setlist, wish I could have got tickets. Jump In The Fire, Blackened, Until It Sleeps and Frantic? Awesome.
I'd rather hear All Nightmare Long than Frantic. But killer setlist nonetheless. I'm also hoping that My Apocalypse makes it onto the setlist eventually.
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"Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come...."
I'd rather hear All Nightmare Long than Frantic. But killer setlist nonetheless. I'm also hoping that My Apocalypse makes it onto the setlist eventually.
I like the vast majority of tracks from every album. And I'd like to see SOMETHING from St. Anger.
Death Magnetic has been widely hailed as the band's best work in 17 years but it seems that Metallica just cannot escape controversy.
What began with fans complaining about the audio quality of lead single The Day That Never Comes has snowballed following the release of the Death Magnetic CD, which seems to mark a whole new level in the Loudness War.
Mastering engineers sacrificing dynamic range in the pursuit of louder and louder sounding CDs is nothing new, but the general consensus amongst fans and critics on hundreds of internet forums seems to be that Death Magnetic has taken this a step too far.
Indeed, on purchasing our CD copy the day before the official release date we gave the disc a spin and couldn't help wondering if our office headphones were faulty as the kick and snare drum seemed to be audibly clipping, along with some of the palm-muted guitar parts.
Most people's first instinct was to blame the mastering, although it seems astonishing that anybody at Metallica's label, their management, the band themselves or indeed producer Rick Rubin would sign off a master with audible digital clipping throughout.
Jensen speaks out
As the internet debate raged on, the following comment was posted by oneway23 on the Metallica forum – attributed to Ted Jensen, the head engineer at Sterling Sound who mastered the album:
"I'm certainly sympathetic to your reaction, I get to slam my head against that brick wall every day. In this case the mixes were already brick-walled before they arrived at my place. Suffice to say I would never be pushed to overdrive things as far as they are here.
"Believe me I'm not proud to be associated with this one, and we can only hope that some good will come from this in some form of backlash against volume above all else."
This seems to lay the blame for any clipping squarely at the door of mix engineers Greg Fidelman and Andrew Scheps, while 2467 fans had signed an online petition to have Death Magnetic remixed or remastered at the time of writing.
Video game killing the radio stars?
Ironically, the last 48 hours have seen claims emerge that the Death Magnetic mixes available for the Guitar Hero video game sound much better and with less audible clipping than the CD, with an illegal Guitar Hero album rip even doing the rounds on torrent sites.
Sceptical? This blog by mastering engineer Ian Shepherd provides the science by directly comparing waveforms from the CD release and Guitar Hero.
UPDATE: Check out this YouTube video to hear the difference between the Death Magnetic CD release and Guitar Hero III versions for yourself.
Neither the band nor their management were available for comment, but pressure is growing from fans who feel short-changed by the CDs they've shelled out for.
Come on Metallica, what are you going to do about it?
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Ugh...so gross...he owes you nothing...
thank god they finally ditched him and are back to being METALLICA, metal up your ass, long ass song playing, guitar solo shredding, justice high hat having, double guitar solo doin, LISTEN TO IT LOUD MOTHER FUCKERSSS!!!! album having band
this is the best they have had in a long time
fuck radio friendly and video friendly
Comparing Metallica to some unknown band is not an apples-to-apples comparison, Jeremy. Whereas the Internet and even digital downloading can benefit "underground" musicians (due to increased exposure), it hinders bands like Metallica that have established fanbases in the millions.
Reading 2006 - WOOOOW!!!!!
Paris 2006 - Fucking amazing
Wembley 2007
Bottom line, when you're a multi-millionaire claiming that people were stealing your "art" and hard graft, don't shit out stuff like St Anger if you want people to give a damn for your cause.
As long as poor, hardworking musicians are busting their asses making incredible music and STILL would rather someone stole it than not hear it, I know where my priorities lie.
I'm totally in favour of paying musicians for their work. I'm doubly in favour of those who treat the fattening of their wallet as a happy sideline to the joy they get from teenage kids who can't afford to pay turning up to their gigs and singing along to every word of a song they didn't shell out £0.79 for a digitalised rendering of.
If our morals differ, sorry, I don't give a fuck.
I hope that you enjoy it. It really is a killer album.
"Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come...."
It's loud and somewhat entertaining, but I just can't over my pure hatred of what Metallica has done for the last 10+ years.
I just feel like these "Old" guys are still trying to inject hate and anger into their new tunes and they just can't pull it off. They have nothing to be angry about anymore. It just seems so fake.
I do like the fact that Hammet actually has solos on this album.
Overall, its worth the money, but still has the St. Anger cheese factor.
And can anyone tell me a musical act that has broke to star status from file sharing alone?
It's a nice thing to say I'm glad you heard our music even if you stole it...
Does anyone work for free on this board? I think we all expect to be compensated in some way.
And yes, I can think of one thing that shows a greater contempt for your work than giving it away for free: Making slipshod crap and charging for it.
Nice did they mix it up with much old stuff also? ......and $10 is pretty sweet price!
My morals differ, gimme a 320mp3 and it'll suffice -I'm outta the frame now and did my time paying out(exceptions exist).
The album ROCKS!
saw them last night in london for the death magnetic release party gig and it was just immense.
setlist:
That Was Just Your Life
The End Of The Line
The Thing That Should Not Be
Of Wolf And Man
One
Broken, Beat And Scarred
Cyanide
Frantic
Until It Sleeps
Wherever I May Roam
For Whom The Bell Tolls
The Day That Never Comes
Master Of Puppets
Blackened
- - - - - - - -
Stone Cold Crazy
Jump In The Fire
Seek and Destroy
also managed to grab a couple of picks and one of the giant black metallica beach balls that were dropped from the ceiling onto the crowd during seek and destroy!!
it was amazing. they are definitely BACK.
2007 - London
2009 - London, Manchester, London
2010 - Dublin, Belfast, London
2011 - Alpine Valley x2
2012 - Isle of Wight, Manchester x2
I was there last night too. It was a really great show. And it was funny to see people fighting over them balloons at the end trying to take one home lol. I was seating but i had a great view. Think i might join the fanclub to increase my chances of gettin tickets when they tour next year.
Katowice 2007
London 2007
Glad you made it! Was a great show. We had a great view from the seats where we were. jack you standing lot looked pretty packed in down there
Stranger was seeing the guys dancing with their beach balls
such a good gig. first gig i've ever been to where the stage has been in the middle, loved it.
got back into manchester at half 7 this morning after a 6 hour coach journey! so tired but so worth it!
2007 - London
2009 - London, Manchester, London
2010 - Dublin, Belfast, London
2011 - Alpine Valley x2
2012 - Isle of Wight, Manchester x2
Ouch! We got back at 3.40. Went straight to bed but damn i woke up at 8 and i couldn't get back to sleep :( Ah well fuck it i'm off work this week. Might go pick up the new South Park series.
The crowd was a little bit tamer then i thought it would be tho not that it made much difference anywhoo.
Katowice 2007
London 2007
Think Ross Halfin was there as well so will probably be some photos on his website in a few days
Those are my favorite right now too. I like Suicide and Redemption too; it's badass to make one of your ten tracks and Instrumental for almost 10 minutes. That's Metallica!
2006: Camden 1&2, East Ruth 1&2
2008: BONNAROO, MSG1, MSG2, Hartford
2009: Philly 1, 2, 4
2010: Hartford, MSG1, MSG2
2012: Made in America
2013: BK1, BK2, Hartford
2015: Global Citizens
2016: MSG 2 (ISO MSG1)
EV Solo: NJPAC 2008; Tower Theatre, PA 2009; Hartford 2011
I'd rather hear All Nightmare Long than Frantic. But killer setlist nonetheless. I'm also hoping that My Apocalypse makes it onto the setlist eventually.
"Sitting on a cornflake, waiting for the van to come...."
Katowice 2007
London 2007
http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/blog-death-magnetic-sounds-better-in-guitar-hero-173961
Death Magnetic has been widely hailed as the band's best work in 17 years but it seems that Metallica just cannot escape controversy.
What began with fans complaining about the audio quality of lead single The Day That Never Comes has snowballed following the release of the Death Magnetic CD, which seems to mark a whole new level in the Loudness War.
Mastering engineers sacrificing dynamic range in the pursuit of louder and louder sounding CDs is nothing new, but the general consensus amongst fans and critics on hundreds of internet forums seems to be that Death Magnetic has taken this a step too far.
Indeed, on purchasing our CD copy the day before the official release date we gave the disc a spin and couldn't help wondering if our office headphones were faulty as the kick and snare drum seemed to be audibly clipping, along with some of the palm-muted guitar parts.
Most people's first instinct was to blame the mastering, although it seems astonishing that anybody at Metallica's label, their management, the band themselves or indeed producer Rick Rubin would sign off a master with audible digital clipping throughout.
Jensen speaks out
As the internet debate raged on, the following comment was posted by oneway23 on the Metallica forum – attributed to Ted Jensen, the head engineer at Sterling Sound who mastered the album:
"I'm certainly sympathetic to your reaction, I get to slam my head against that brick wall every day. In this case the mixes were already brick-walled before they arrived at my place. Suffice to say I would never be pushed to overdrive things as far as they are here.
"Believe me I'm not proud to be associated with this one, and we can only hope that some good will come from this in some form of backlash against volume above all else."
This seems to lay the blame for any clipping squarely at the door of mix engineers Greg Fidelman and Andrew Scheps, while 2467 fans had signed an online petition to have Death Magnetic remixed or remastered at the time of writing.
Video game killing the radio stars?
Ironically, the last 48 hours have seen claims emerge that the Death Magnetic mixes available for the Guitar Hero video game sound much better and with less audible clipping than the CD, with an illegal Guitar Hero album rip even doing the rounds on torrent sites.
Sceptical? This blog by mastering engineer Ian Shepherd provides the science by directly comparing waveforms from the CD release and Guitar Hero.
UPDATE: Check out this YouTube video to hear the difference between the Death Magnetic CD release and Guitar Hero III versions for yourself.
Neither the band nor their management were available for comment, but pressure is growing from fans who feel short-changed by the CDs they've shelled out for.
Come on Metallica, what are you going to do about it?