Blind Melon

prytocorduroy · March 2007

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

without question. I respect the band, they're fantastic in their own right, but I'm fucking pissed off that they didn't change their name.

I'm not really pissed off (same deal with AIC). What would be the point of changing your name when all you're gonna be playing is Blind Melon stuff? That'd just make them a cover band kinda...

Also, no disrespect to the two frontmen (Shannon/Layne), but they really fucked the bands over and cut the life of their music far too soon.

stateoflove79 · March 2007

danny72688 wrote:

I'm not really pissed off (same deal with AIC). What would be the point of changing your name when all you're gonna be playing is Blind Melon stuff? That'd just make them a cover band kinda...

Also, no disrespect to the two frontmen (Shannon/Layne), but they really fucked the bands over and cut the life of their music far too soon.

So their bands should just go on without them and carry the same name?

No way. Granted Layne and Shannon were at fault for their own deaths (slow suicide's no way to go) but that does not mean that their former bandmates should carry on the name that they helped make famous...

It'd be like if Billy died, and the rest of them went on as the Smashing Pumpkins...or if Eddie died, and the rest of them went on as Pearl Jam...

It just would not be right. I am not saying never to make music again, but let the name die with some dignity, and don't try to recreate what you obviously can't. AIC is not AIC without Layne, and BM is not BM without Shannon. That's just how it is.

prytocorduroy · March 2007

stateoflove79 wrote:

So their bands should just go on without them and carry the same name?

No way. Granted Layne and Shannon were at fault for their own deaths (slow suicide's no way to go) but that does not mean that their former bandmates should carry on the name that they helped make famous...

It'd be like if Billy died, and the rest of them went on as the Smashing Pumpkins...or if Eddie died, and the rest of them went on as Pearl Jam...

It just would not be right. I am not saying never to make music again, but let the name die with some dignity, and don't try to recreate what you obviously can't. AIC is not AIC without Layne, and BM is not BM without Shannon. That's just how it is.

I think if that band is going to be playing songs they made previously and/or writing new material, then yes keep the same name (this applies to PJ and the Pumpkins). It will obviously not be the same, but the spirit will still be alive and burning if it's not for money --- which in this case it's not, same with AIC.

And it's not like it's GN'R or anything where the only original member is Axl Rose. That's one of the cases I have a problem with. Mainly because I feel he doesn't contribute much to the band, also he's milking the name GN'R for all it's worth. These bands are playing the songs they wrote and love, and writing a new chapter in their history.

I would want PJ to go on even if Eddie died, as long as the replacement wasn't a carbon copy of Ed. If that new singer can be his own person, and do justice to Ed, I'm all for it. Same with Billy (though he would be difficult to replace seeing as he was lead guitarist and vocalist).

I always bring this up even though it's a different situation, Pearl Jam shouldn't be Pearl Jam because Krusen is gone following this logic, and AIC shouldn't be AIC because Starr is gone. But since he was fired or left, it makes it okay? D'arcy left the Pumpkins, but they went on to record MACHINA II and tour for the last year. (This is a weaker argument, I know, because they weren't critical members of the band, but they were still part of the band).

I want to acknowledge that I see where you're coming from (and the general belief), but I just don't agree personally. And I very much expect nobody to agree with my view.

stateoflove79 · March 2007

danny72688 wrote:

I think if that band is going to be playing songs they made previously and/or writing new material, then yes keep the same name (this applies to PJ and the Pumpkins). It will obviously not be the same, but the spirit will still be alive and burning if it's not for money --- which in this case it's not, same with AIC.

And it's not like it's GN'R or anything where the only original member is Axl Rose. That's one of the cases I have a problem with. Mainly because I feel he doesn't contribute much to the band, also he's milking the name GN'R for all it's worth. These bands are playing the songs they wrote and love, and writing a new chapter in their history.

I would want PJ to go on even if Eddie died, as long as the replacement wasn't a carbon copy of Ed. If that new singer can be his own person, and do justice to Ed, I'm all for it. Same with Billy (though he would be difficult to replace seeing as he was lead guitarist and vocalist).

I always bring this up even though it's a different situation, Pearl Jam shouldn't be Pearl Jam because Krusen is gone following this logic, and AIC shouldn't be AIC because Starr is gone. But since he was fired or left, it makes it okay? D'arcy left the Pumpkins, but they went on to record MACHINA II and tour for the last year. (This is a weaker argument, I know, because they weren't critical members of the band, but they were still part of the band).

I want to acknowledge that I see where you're coming from (and the general belief), but I just don't agree personally. And I very much expect nobody to agree with my view.

I understand where you're coming from, and as much as I hate to agrue with a fellow Pumpkins fan, must respectfully disagree.

As unfortunate as it may be, D'Arcy and Dave Krusen were not as vital to their respective bands as Shannon or Layne. To carry on the same name when you replace a drummer or a bassist, or even a guitarist that doesn't sing, isn't that big a deal.

It's the singer that's in the public eye. Most of the time, you ask some schmo on the street who Stone Gossard is, and they're like "uhhhh..." But you ask who Eddie Vedder is and it's the exact opposite.

I guess I just disagree with carrying on the names of bands whose lead singers have died. Look at Sublime. They renamed their band and continued. I have more respect for them right now than I do for BM and AIC because of that fact.

Just my opinion...and I am sure there are folks who agree with both of us and disagree with both of us. Opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one.

prytocorduroy · March 2007

stateoflove79 wrote:

I understand where you're coming from, and as much as I hate to agrue with a fellow Pumpkins fan, must respectfully disagree.

As unfortunate as it may be, D'Arcy and Dave Krusen were not as vital to their respective bands as Shannon or Layne. To carry on the same name when you replace a drummer or a bassist, or even a guitarist that doesn't sing, isn't that big a deal.

It's the singer that's in the public eye. Most of the time, you ask some schmo on the street who Stone Gossard is, and they're like "uhhhh..." But you ask who Eddie Vedder is and it's the exact opposite.

I guess I just disagree with carrying on the names of bands whose lead singers have died. Look at Sublime. They renamed their band and continued. I have more respect for them right now than I do for BM and AIC because of that fact.

Just my opinion...and I am sure there are folks who agree with both of us and disagree with both of us. Opinions are like assholes...everyone's got one.

Yes there is more emphasis on the singers, but I like to think of all memers of the band having a equal status and function. I know that isn't the general opinion though

I just could not get over seeing "Galaxie" (for example) playing exclusively Blind Melon stuff when they are almost the original band. It's kinda like seeing Velvet Revolver - you're pretty much seeing GN'R.

Are you upset with Van Halen or AC/DC just out of curiousity?

stateoflove79 · March 2007

danny72688 wrote:

Are you upset with Van Halen or AC/DC just out of curiousity?

I am not a fan of either, so I guess not...lol.

I am not saying I don't see your point...I just disagree, that's all.

prytocorduroy · March 2007

stateoflove79 wrote:

I am not a fan of either, so I guess not...lol.

I am not saying I don't see your point...I just disagree, that's all.

Well I guess we must agree to disagree then :cool:

The new Blind Melon stuff I've heard is pretty cool I must say.

stateoflove79 · March 2007

danny72688 wrote:

The new Blind Melon stuff I've heard is pretty cool I must say.

Don't you mean "Galaxie?" :-P

prytocorduroy · March 2007

stateoflove79 wrote:

Don't you mean "Galaxie?" :-P

Ha!
Yup them. I'm gonna go see Galaxie when they visit my area

Lifted · March 2007

Drop1The0Leash wrote:

Actually both are songs of theirs. I Havent listened much to St. Andrew's Hall but St. Andrew's Fall is a great song.

actually both of them are the exact same song. on nico it's called st. andrew's hall and on soup it's called st. andrew's fall. or it could be the other way around, anyway they are the same.

Lifted · March 2007

Tiki Barber wrote:

actually both of them are the exact same song. on nico it's called st. andrew's hall and on soup it's called st. andrew's fall. or it could be the other way around, anyway they are the same.

didn't realize everyone already cleared this up before i responded...yeah.

Pearl Jam and toast · March 2007

danny72688 wrote:

Also, no disrespect to the two frontmen (Shannon/Layne), but they really fucked the bands over and cut the life of their music far too soon.

Both of them fought like hell against their addictions. Layne lasted until fucking 2001 which is unbelievable really, and Shannon had nearly made it.. relapse got him :(

Anyway, what SOLAT said about it being like if we lost Ed and the guys kept playing as "pearl jam" is 100% accurate. It's shit and it's disrespectful. AIC I can understand though.. Layne was a big contributer but Jerry was Alice's Roger Waters.

You'veGotRedOnYou · March 2007

I like the fact that the remaining members of Blind Melon got back together. Who are we to say that these guys can't fucking play in the band they started? If you don't agree with it, then don't go see it. Simple enough. I saw AIC on the tour last year, and it was amazing. If you go in and don't try to be a close-minded hater, you can actually enjoy hearing some great songs.

Oh, and Mouthful of Cavaties is one of the best songs ever.

prytocorduroy · March 2007

Pearl Jam and toast wrote:

Both of them fought like hell against their addictions. Layne lasted until fucking 2001 which is unbelievable really, and Shannon had nearly made it.. relapse got him :(

Anyway, what SOLAT said about it being like if we lost Ed and the guys kept playing as "pearl jam" is 100% accurate. It's shit and it's disrespectful. AIC I can understand though.. Layne was a big contributer but Jerry was Alice's Roger Waters.

Yeah it's really sad what happened to the both of them, but like I had posted earlier, as long as the replacement isn't some wannabe poser, I'm cool with it. Look at William Duvall, he doesn't try to be Layne, but he can pull off most of the material with his own talent, giving the songs life again. Though it was weird hearing him sing Junkhead... Anyway, I was seeing the surviving members of AIC playing in respect of and to honor Layne (and this is how I'd feel about Blind Melon and if it happened, PJ). Why should the surviving members have to stop playing the music they love and start over because of bad decisions (again no disrespect) by one member?

I honestly do see your guys' point and view though.

Gill · March 2007

Pull is amazingly stunning, as is Sleepyhouse. Like the new stuff alright, but in 'For my friends', Travis sounds a bit too-shannon hoon. can't wait to hear what they do next.

It isn't the remaining guys' fault Shannon died. it was a tragedy, but if i remember, Shannon didnt create the band - he was invited to be a vocalist. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pleased they reformed. They were an amazing band with or without Shannon. Shouldn't we wait and see? Anyway, PJ have gone through numerous drummer changes and no one blinked an eyelid!

lars · March 2007

Gill wrote:

Pull is amazingly stunning, as is Sleepyhouse. Like the new stuff alright, but in 'For my friends', Travis sounds a bit too-shannon hoon. can't wait to hear what they do next.

It isn't the remaining guys' fault Shannon died. it was a tragedy, but if i remember, Shannon didnt create the band - he was invited to be a vocalist. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pleased they reformed. They were an amazing band with or without Shannon. Shouldn't we wait and see? Anyway, PJ have gone through numerous drummer changes and no one blinked an eyelid!

drumming sounds the same....lead vocals don´t. they were an amazing band with shannon

Pearl Jam and toast · March 2007

danny72688 wrote:

Yeah it's really sad what happened to the both of them, but like I had posted earlier, as long as the replacement isn't some wannabe poser, I'm cool with it. Look at William Duvall, he doesn't try to be Layne, but he can pull off most of the material with his own talent, giving the songs life again. Though it was weird hearing him sing Junkhead... Anyway, I was seeing the surviving members of AIC playing in respect of and to honor Layne (and this is how I'd feel about Blind Melon and if it happened, PJ). Why should the surviving members have to stop playing the music they love and start over because of bad decisions (again no disrespect) by one member?

I honestly do see your guys' point and view though.

I noticed that about Duvall. If he was gonna try and sound like Layne I would've fucking lost it but he's doing a good job.

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