Jimmy Page or Mike McCready?

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  • Mikos
    Mikos Posts: 14
    I can't really say I've listened to alot of page or even seen any of his live work, but I just like the shows PJ puts on. Never seen another band appreciate the crowd so much and do so much interaction. Mike will always be one of my, if not the, favourite guitarists ever but he may not necessarily be the best ever, but why does that matter?
  • Brisk.
    Brisk. Posts: 11,581
    Mikos wrote:
    I can't really say I've listened to alot of page or even seen any of his live work, but I just like the shows PJ puts on. Never seen another band appreciate the crowd so much and do so much interaction. Mike will always be one of my, if not the, favourite guitarists ever but he may not necessarily be the best ever, but why does that matter?

    yeh i guess people are talking about on a technical level e.g. who can play faster or whatever
  • Edved82
    Edved82 Ireland Posts: 1,279
    If you combine his guitar playing, songwriting, arranging and producing, Jimmy Page is the greatest to have walked this earth.

    Therefore, as much as i love Mike, gotta be Jimmy!
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  • world wide pearl jam
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    GlorifiedAnimal wrote:
    is this a serious question? jimmy page is prob the third best guitarist of all time, behind clapton and hendrix. lets be serious.
    The question wasn't "which is better" it was "who do you prefer?" Why shouldn't it be serious?

    I am aware that Jimmy Page is much more influential, important and probably a better player than Mike but I personally prefer Mike's playing.
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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    edved82 wrote:
    If you combine his guitar playing, songwriting, arranging and producing, Jimmy Page is the greatest to have walked this earth.
    Nah I dunno about that either :p

    Talking about influence, soul, songwriting, etc it's the other Jimi (Hendrix) first.

    Talking technical skill, tone building, etc,.. I choose Eric Johnson. That guy is the absolute apitome of a a guitar player. He's the best. And I could take or leave most of his music. He's got the skill of the other shredders but has enormous taste - something a guy like Steve Vai is incapable of. Cliffs of Dover is a badass song if you need an example (It's on the new guitar hero :p).

    If you've the ability, download his 1980... eighty-something,.. texas,... somewhere in texas,.. performance. You gotta actually see this guy play.

    From that performance: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tfETk4pFUOA (Cliffs of Dover)
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    Nah I dunno about that either :p

    Talking about influence, soul, songwriting, etc it's the other Jimi (Hendrix) first.

    Talking technical skill, tone building, etc,.. I choose Eric Johnson. That guy is the absolute apitome of a a guitar player. He's the best. And I could take or leave most of his music. He's got the skill of the other shredders but has enormous taste - something a guy like Steve Vai is incapable of. Cliffs of Dover is a badass song if you need an example (It's on the new guitar hero :p).

    If you've the ability, download his 1980... eighty-something,.. texas,... somewhere in texas,.. performance. You gotta actually see this guy play.

    From that performance: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tfETk4pFUOA (Cliffs of Dover)
    Cliffs of Dover is indeed incredible and he has great tone but I don't think he has passion. Johnson is a little too methodical with his runs etc. He never looks into it. Your Vai comparison is a little off because, next to Johnson, Vai is the only other shredder worth anything. You could've chosen Michael Angelo Batio or someone deserving of the mockery :) Search for Tender Surrender by Vai on youtube, the live version and you will see someone equally as (if not more) technically able, also playing with taste AND emotion.
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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Cliffs of Dover is indeed incredible and he has great tone but I don't think he has passion. Johnson is a little too methodical with his runs etc. He never looks into it. Your Vai comparison is a little off because, next to Johnson, Vai is the only other shredder worth anything. You could've chosen Michael Angelo Batio or someone deserving of the mockery :) Search for Tender Surrender by Vai on youtube, the live version and you will see someone equally as (if not more) technically able, also playing with taste AND emotion.
    Vai is a pompus dick who has fans on stage to blow his hair back.

    Eric Johnson took the insturment beyond shredding. He's a bit methodical, but it seems the more skillful and knowledgable about theory a guitar player gets the more methodical he gets, so maybe it's a necessary evil to put up with for that kind of technicality. Johnson is still the only one of the "shredders" I've ever been able to stand (and in fact I'm quite fond of him).

    Read up on him. I don't feel like typing about his techniques and equipment right now but there's a lot to say.
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  • MichaelMcKevin
    MichaelMcKevin Posts: 1,161
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    Vai is a pompus dick who has fans on stage to blow his hair back.

    Eric Johnson took the insturment beyond shredding. He's a bit methodical, but it seems the more skillful and knowledgable about theory a guitar player gets the more methodical he gets, so maybe it's a necessary evil to put up with for that kind of technicality. Johnson is still the only one of the "shredders" I've ever been able to stand (and in fact I'm quite fond of him).

    Read up on him. I don't feel like typing about his techniques and equipment right now but there's a lot to say.

    Steve Vai is a tool


    I don't mind a few of his songs though.
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  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    Vai is a pompus dick who has fans on stage to blow his hair back.

    Eric Johnson took the insturment beyond shredding. He's a bit methodical, but it seems the more skillful and knowledgable about theory a guitar player gets the more methodical he gets, so maybe it's a necessary evil to put up with for that kind of technicality. Johnson is still the only one of the "shredders" I've ever been able to stand (and in fact I'm quite fond of him).

    Read up on him. I don't feel like typing about his techniques and equipment right now but there's a lot to say.
    :eek: you seem to be assuming that I don't know anything about either. I own Ah Via Musicom by Johnson and a couple of Vai albums and feel that Vai gets a bad rep. The guy is a cock and the fan is unforgivable but his musicianship is undeniable and yet for some reason people tend to lump him in with useless "speed" guitarists like Batio, Malmsteen and Becker when really, Vai's speed is never used just to show off. There are few pointless superspeed scalar runs. When he uses speed it is in order to convey something. His grasp of melody is incredible and he technically destroys everyone, including Johnson, and I'm not talking about speed. In terms of ability to make a guitar do what he wants it to do, he can't be beaten. I have never seen a guitarist so at home with his instrument.

    That's the difference between him and Johnson. Johnson had some wonderful music but he always seems to be going through the motions. No matter how beautiful the melody and his tone might be, you never really get the impression that he's doing anything other than running on autopilot. Don't get me wrong There are few guitarists who I would say have taken the instrument "beyond" shredding and both Johnson and Vai are definitely two of those.
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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    Vai is a great guitar player, no question about that. He's realllllly fucking good.

    But he can't write, has shit sense of melody, one of the biggest ego's in music, and his tone can't even touch Eric's.

    Steve Vai is like a basketball player who's the best "slam dunker" in the world but is at a high school level in every other aspect.

    He's a great guitar player but has no soul - and I mean that musically and otherwise. The man thinks he's the fucking shit.

    We better just agree to disagree, because there's not a damn thing in the world that can make me like Steve Vai. Even when I see him playing with Zappa I can't stand him.
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  • LukinFan
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  • MichaelMcKevin
    MichaelMcKevin Posts: 1,161
    Pearl Jam and toast wrote:
    Vai is a great guitar player, no question about that. He's realllllly fucking good.

    But he can't write, has shit sense of melody, one of the biggest ego's in music, and his tone can't even touch Eric's.

    Steve Vai is like a basketball player who's the best "slam dunker" in the world but is at a high school level in every other aspect.

    He's a great guitar player but has no soul - and I mean that musically and otherwise. The man thinks he's the fucking shit.

    We better just agree to disagree, because there's not a damn thing in the world that can make me like Steve Vai. Even when I see him playing with Zappa I can't stand him.

    Steve Vai is to the 80's what today's old hippies are to the 60's/70's. Ditch the long hair, tight leather pants and the muscle shirt.
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  • Twigster
    Twigster Posts: 39
    Just on technical ability, I'd have to say Mike.
    However:
    Page's riff writing and song writing are beyond reproach.
    Plus, Page was a true pioneer - In terms of contempory rock - anybody who's anybody will cite Page as a major influence.

    So, all things considered - JIMMY.
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  • allforcarrie
    allforcarrie Posts: 60
    Jimmy Page no question.
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  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    Twigster wrote:
    Just on technical ability, I'd have to say Mike.
    However:
    Page's riff writing and song writing are beyond reproach.
    Plus, Page was a true pioneer - In terms of contempory rock - anybody who's anybody will cite Page as a major influence.

    So, all things considered - JIMMY.

    Oh no, sorry, but Mike has not a fraction of Page's technical ability. He makes really tricky things sound simple, so just how technical he is can be missed.
    I was playing that simple sounding solo line from Black Dog yesterday, well I was looking at it anyway, because it is about 100 times harder that it sounds, and has about 10 times as many notes as I though it did.
    I still like Mike though.
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  • Abuskedti
    Abuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Jimmy Page is crazy awesome... the best ever!

    He routinely tried shit even he couldn't do...

    its often hurts to listen...

    must bow your head when you mention Jimmy Page - not compare him to other humans.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    Jooooosh wrote:
    Page has influenced and inspired me more than Mike.

    Who has Mike McCready influenced? The Pit aside, I don't remember ever reading or hearing anyone say, "I picked up the guitar b/c of Mike McCready."
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    speaking of jimmy page, great recent interview of him.

    i loved this bit "It's passionate music and that passion is still the foundation"

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=w-N42S8BFT8 (part one)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=0gyVKC2tyE4&feature=related (part 2)
  • chako
    chako Posts: 4
    Mike Mike Mike!!! :D

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