Question about delay

xtremehardy388
xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
edited December 2008 in Musicians and Gearheads
How can I get the "metallic" reverb type sound using my digital delay (Digitech Digi Delay/BOSS DD6)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQzSGVd6rgY

:37 and 2:36 mark. Also, the 5:30 somethin mark

It's not too good of an example. Sorry
Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
"Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
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  • OBC
    OBC Posts: 41
    Though he hasn't used the DL4 in 2000, I can tell you how he gets these kinds of sound out of the Line 6 DL4 nowadays:

    Analog Delay with Mix, Tweek and Tweez Knobs up a lot.
    That makes the natural "decaying" of the guitar sound that comes with analog delays faster and more spaced out. Mike uses one preset out of three on his DL4 for just these kind of "last-note-fade-outs".
    I'm sure on some planet Good Charlotte's music is quite impressive, but their weak link is...this is earth.
  • jcmark611
    jcmark611 Posts: 93
    Unless those delays can emulate an Analog or Tape delay it's not possible. My DD-3 cannot do that.
  • ianvomsaal
    ianvomsaal Suncoast, FL Posts: 1,224
    Mike just rocks back on his Wah (hence that nasal type sound) with his delay set on like
    800m/s & like 10 or 12 repeats that he rocks off with the volume when he wants to kill it.
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  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    xtremehardy388 wrote:
    How can I get the "metallic" reverb type sound using my digital delay (Digitech Digi Delay/BOSS DD6)


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQzSGVd6rgY

    :37 and 2:36 mark. Also, the 5:30 somethin mark

    It's not too good of an example. Sorry


    tape sim (mode 4) on your digitech is about as close as you're going to get.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    tape sim (mode 4) on your digitech is about as close as you're going to get.
    YAY! Thank you
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    I'm debating to pick up a Boss DD-3 or a MXR M169 pedal?
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    try them both but i'd personally much rather have the mxr delay.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    I'm debating to pick up a Boss DD-3 or a MXR M169 pedal?
    MXR. Try 'em both but like Exausted said...MXR
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    ianvomsaal wrote:
    Mike just rocks back on his Wah (hence that nasal type sound) with his delay set on like
    800m/s & like 10 or 12 repeats that he rocks off with the volume when he wants to kill it.
    I tried doing this and I didn't get the sound. It just kinda faded out.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    tape sim (mode 4) on your digitech is about as close as you're going to get.
    I tried this any idea on where the knobs should be for it?
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    just have to use your ears. i have no idea on settings.

    it's a short delay (less than half a second).
  • mccreadyisgod
    mccreadyisgod Bumfuq, MT Posts: 6,395
    I agree that an analog delay (or analog-modeled delay) is key. The difference between digital and analog is that digital delays just echo out, true to the original, whereas analog delays suffer from signal degradation as the delay trails off. Essentially, the echos get more lo-fi with every repeat.

    Also, as Ian said, Mike was using a wah that he would leave at a "static" (or set) position for those trails, which gives the notes a more nasal sound as well. I think that combining the two will give the effect you're looking for.
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    mccreadyisgod wrote:
    I agree that an analog delay (or analog-modeled delay) is key. The difference between digital and analog is that digital delays just echo out, true to the original, whereas analog delays suffer from signal degradation as the delay trails off. Essentially, the echos get more lo-fi with every repeat.

    Also, as Ian said, Mike was using a wah that he would leave at a "static" (or set) position for those trails, which gives the notes a more nasal sound as well. I think that combining the two will give the effect you're looking for.
    Ahh, thanks, man. Totally understand now. I'll have to try it tomorrow since it's just past time curfew out here.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • jcmark611
    jcmark611 Posts: 93
    It almost sounds like he has the volume on the delays set so high that it just starts to feedback onto itself. Once it reaches that point he turns it off and the delay trails off. (You have to have a delay that doesn't just shut off when you turn it off).
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    jcmark611 wrote:
    It almost sounds like he has the volume on the delays set so high that it just starts to feedback onto itself. Once it reaches that point he turns it off and the delay trails off. (You have to have a delay that doesn't just shut off when you turn it off).
    Yeah, my DD6 and Digi both don't turn off when I simply click "off"
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • jcmark611
    jcmark611 Posts: 93
    With the DD-6 you might get close if you set the F.Back to max and adjust the E.Level until the delay starts feeding back like you want it to.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    jcmark611 wrote:
    With the DD-6 you might get close if you set the F.Back to max and adjust the E.Level until the delay starts feeding back like you want it to.
    If I do that, though, the delay doesn't stop.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    MXR M169 is on my X-mas list.......I dream about it daily.
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    I figured out a better way to describe the sound I'm looking for. A "harsh" delay. I tried it with the dan echo and I can get it with heavy overdrive and then turning my guitar volume off, quick. I drive it with the DD6 and Digitech and I can't get it. I tried some of the suggestions here but it didn't work. Any one know what I'm talking about or have any ideas?
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    the dan-echo is a cool pedal. just keep it on board.

    also, if you haven't already, just try it with the delays in front of the overdrives. that way the echos are somewhat distorted by the gain pedals.

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