Anyone SEE Some kind of Monster yet?

JofZ · February 2005

rrivers wrote:

Mike McCready has a similiar kind of go with the flow attitude that Kirk has in Metallica. Just curious, how do you feel about Mike?

Mike is way out of Kirks league, he can move an entire audience. His energy is amazing, expecially the last few shows I have seen. PJ works off each other, how can you compare the 2?

chrisw_30 · February 2005

jofz...where in the movie do any of the band members bash Kirk's playing...

no where!...

kirk is an amazing player who has written some of the greatest solo's of all time...

have you listened to any of his solo's?? try Outlaw Torn, Bleeding Me, Master of Puppets, Creeping Death, Fade To Black, Unforgiven I and II, Four Horseman, Battery, To Live is To Die, One, Struggle Within..etc...

to call him overrated is the biggest crock of crap ive heard..

the guy is a legend...so what if he likes to be calm and not aggro...

and just so you know Metallica's list of albums go Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets, Justice, Black, Load, Reload and St Anger...

not Kill, Puppets, Ride Justice..etc

Your saviour · February 2005

Load and reload were classic albums imo, don't care what anyone says so what if they're not metal i had to be the one to say that! (there;s always one)

nailz100 · February 2005

Exactly chrisw_30!

rrivers · February 2005

JofZ wrote:

Mike is way out of Kirks league, he can move an entire audience. His energy is amazing, expecially the last few shows I have seen. PJ works off each other, how can you compare the 2?

I wasn't comparing the two (though I think Kirk is a great player). My only point was about them both not having a real take charge kind of personality. You can tell in a few interviews (see Single Video Theory) that Mike is, or at least was, intimidated by Ed. I think it is similiar to Kirk and James (except James seems to be much more of an alpha male than Ed). I just don't see how Kirk's personality has anything to do with his playing.

Shwn · February 2005

Some of the solos Kirk put out were amazing. You have no room to talk shit until you've sold millions of albums, and stayed in the forefront of music for twenty years.

nailz100 · February 2005

That is the Exactly the point I was trying to get across. I just think people should know what its like to be in a certain situation before they critisize...it makes their statements alot more credible...

JofZ · February 2005

nailz100 wrote:

That is the Exactly the point I was trying to get across. I just think people should know what its like to be in a certain situation before they critisize...it makes their statements alot more credible...

Complete BS!
Its OK there are people out there who think your hero is weak, or has been riding a wave of glory for too long. If you think I am the only one who has this opinion of the band or Kirk as a player you should get out more.
I never made this a personal arguement, but since you did I will be more then happy to tell you about my personal success, will that make you feel better about my opinion? Probably not, just accept the fact that you know nothing about me, take your assumptions and leave them aside. There are many facts we can discuss about the so called Great Metallica. Where would you like to start?
Lets strart with album sales stats:
Their first 5 albums were all multi plat. Looks like St. Anger is in deep poop
Metallica Sales Poor [7:20 pm]
Yet, the Reuters Newswire fails to implicate P2P? Metallica Album Sales a ‘Bummer’ -Hetfield

“It’s a bummer,” Hetfield said. “In Europe it’s doing really good, and some other places … It is what it is. We can’t change that. We do our best and that’s all we can do.”

Drummer Lars Ulrich said “St. Anger” is Metallica’s best seller in Europe since its 1991 self-titled release, the so-called “black album,” and the band is preparing to launch its third “St. Anger” tour there in December.

“It’s a very challenging record,” Ulrich said of “St. Anger,” which was constructed by a computer program and features no guitar solos. He added that U.S. rock radio programmers seemed more interested in playing bands like Nickelback.

But first a quick look at all the other message board threads that think Kirk is overrated:
http://www.houseofshred.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333
http://www.stetina.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=10&topic=293&start=0
http://www.metalflakes.com/bowlofflakes/showthread.php?t=9468

I know I have no idea what I am talking about because I am not in a top 40 band, GOD help me if that were ever the case. I enjoy what I do for a living.
Next....

JofZ · February 2005

rrivers wrote:

I wasn't comparing the two (though I think Kirk is a great player). My only point was about them both not having a real take charge kind of personality. You can tell in a few interviews (see Single Video Theory) that Mike is, or at least was, intimidated by Ed. I think it is similiar to Kirk and James (except James seems to be much more of an alpha male than Ed). I just don't see how Kirk's personality has anything to do with his playing.

I just don't see how Kirk's personality has anything to do with his playing.[/quote]
I see what you are saying, but bands are like marriage and everyone needs to know when to put up a fight and when to cave in to keep the realtionship healthy, its called cooperation. As far as you stamenent above, it is a bit bothersome, the only thing a musician has is his/her personality, that is what you hear. Talent, skill its just that, without interpretation which has to do with personal influences and upbringing there is no way for someone to truley own anything unless they put their own stamp on it. That is the difference, I know many technical players who all suck balls because they are lifeless. For me a great player is way more then technique, I guess thats why there are so many unhappy people here, they spend too much time on a computer and not enough time interacting with PEOPLE.

MetalGod75 · February 2005

JofZ wrote:

There are some great scenes!
A must see sit down with Mustaine and Lars
and all the trade secrets on how to write a shitty metal song are shared LOL.
Don't these guys realize how bad they are now?
The best part of it all is watching worthless Kirk get beat up all the time, they call him Stock and want to cut his solos. I have been saying for a decade how overrated he is, now his band fainlly caught on.
This movie made me realize how much I miss Cliff!

Im sorry dude but i went to see Megadeth the other week and Mustaine was as awesome as he has always been!Whether u like his music or not the guy is one hell of a guitar player!As for Lars and Kirk yup theyre both wankers!

sabbath · February 2005

Kirk is an amazing guitar player, in the same status as Mike or better.

nailz100 · February 2005

All i'm saying man is that I KNOW (unless you're in a multi-million $ band) and have sold 100 million records worldwide (thats got to stand for something)...then what gives you the right to talk shit about someone and downplay their playing or personality, or anything for that matter...to me that just seems wrong. Listen to Everlast's (what its like) and maybe you'll see my point. I am not saying, nor have I ever said I know of you capabilities or whether or not you rock out (you probably do), it is just one of my pet peeves when people (in my opinion mind you) have no idea what its like to be in those shoes, but yet feel they have the right to downplay people in certain situation. No personal vendetta here man, and hope there is no hard feelings....didn't mean to start a war...I guess everyone just has their own beliefs...end of story.

JofZ · February 2005

nailz100 wrote:

All i'm saying man is that I KNOW (unless you're in a multi-million $ band) and have sold 100 million records worldwide (thats got to stand for something)...then what gives you the right to talk shit about someone and downplay their playing or personality, or anything for that matter...to me that just seems wrong. Listen to Everlast's (what its like) and maybe you'll see my point. I am not saying, nor have I ever said I know of you capabilities or whether or not you rock out (you probably do), it is just one of my pet peeves when people (in my opinion mind you) have no idea what its like to be in those shoes, but yet feel they have the right to downplay people in certain situation. No personal vendetta here man, and hope there is no hard feelings....didn't mean to start a war...I guess everyone just has their own beliefs...end of story.

I take nothing personal on a message board

SO no hard feelings. Besides you are entitled to your opinion. I think what ticked me off a bit was that you were just so quick to say I was wrong period.
I never once tried to start a pissing match, I was curious how many people felt the same way I do. I prefer to hear other artists opinions, because they are the ones that count in my book.
I think face to face we could have a really calm dicussion pointing out various facts and at the end of the day we are probably both a little right.
I am shocked, well maybe not there are some pretty silly posts here and on other boards by fanatics who must compare everything in life to their favorite band, athlete, etc. I never once compared Metallica to PJ, or Kirk to Mike.
Let it be known, Mike was the reason I switched to guitar!
I guess my point of all of this was to vent a little about how much I hate it when a band sticks together for all the wrong reasons way too long.
Just for the record, comparing Mike to Kirk is like comparing Doug Flute to John Elway, the only thing they have in common is the play the same position!
Have a good day!

nailz100 · February 2005

Its true that they have stuck together for a long time, and aside from the fact that they've sold millions of records (which hopefully isn't the only reason they're still doing it)....its probably all they know, and probably all they've ever known. How could you let something like that go....I know I couldn't.

surferdude · February 2005

I got the sense from the movie that Bob Rock was the only one who really had fun playing their songs.

There doesn't seem to be a high level of respect or admiration between the band members. Nor did I see any real passion for the music. The happiest I saw Lars is when he sold his paintings.

To me, they came across as aging sports stars who don't have the good sense to hang 'em up.

It seems a real sad commentary on them as people to think "its probably all they know, and probably all they've ever known". They're all in their 40's, they should have grown up long ago.

All that being said I really liked the movie.

SteveMurray · February 2005

you cant just sell a mind blowing amount of albums all when your lead guitarist is crap, your lead singer cant really sing oh and your drummer cant drum

nailz100 · February 2005

"It seems a real sad commentary on them as people to think "its probably all they know, and probably all they've ever known". They're all in their 40's, they should have grown up long ago."

I don't think you understand what I am saying. They've been doing this for well over 20 years now....thats their life, and their work, and their heart, and probably their soul too (whether you believe it or not)...its what their best at....and probably something that none of them could ever stand to lose. I'm not talking about anything even remotely to do with them "growing up". Its like a guy working at the same job for that long....it sorta becomes your life...not ALL you know...but a large part of it. Strip away the millions and its the same thing.

surferdude · February 2005

Nailz - Do you think the band showed a lot of genuine passion for making music or each other? Do you think the guys respect and or admire each other?

I saw glimpses of passion then whole segments of blah.

I know for myself that if a friend got to a point in life where he needed to go to rehab I'd be jumping for joy for my friend. At no point did I notice real concern for James or happiness that he had his life going in the direction he wanted. I still think the happiest I saw anyone the whole movie was Lars selling his paintings, then Bob Rock playing bass to old Metallica.

And as for having rules of only working on the album between noon and four. So much for creativity. I don't care what you do, you are not going to achieve your potential let lone be world class putting in a four hour day. Then mandating that everyone else involved in the project must do the same - world class act of being a dickhead.

My son is eleven and he's figured out that you cannot put a clock on creativity. He draws when inspired, he writes when inspired. Telling him to only do it between noon and four makes it homework.

I like Metallica a lot. But saw nothing in the movie (or last couple of albums) to convince me they should still be making new music.

nailz100 · February 2005

Yeah, he was kinda pushing his authority on the noon to 4 thing....I can kinda see his point though, but he was taking it a little too far. As for me I personally hope they continue to do it because thats probably what I would try and do if I was in their position, and Metallica is a band I could see in concert over and over again. I am going through alot of the same sh*t that I saw in the movie with my band. Strip away the millions and the arguements are still the same....almost word for word sometimes in the movie, it kinda freaked me out. Its kinda nice to see that they at least found some kind of resolution to their problems.

I honestly never bought the last album, nor have I really liked any of the songs on it...not even close compared to puppets, but for some reason I still have a HUGE respect and admiration for this band because of the things they have done throughout their career. I also really like the movie because it is nice to see people for who they are instead of through the spotlights that are smothering them all the time.

JofZ · February 2005

nailz100 wrote:

Yeah, he was kinda pushing his authority on the noon to 4 thing....I can kinda see his point though, but he was taking it a little too far. As for me I personally hope they continue to do it because thats probably what I would try and do if I was in their position, and Metallica is a band I could see in concert over and over again. I am going through alot of the same sh*t that I saw in the movie with my band. Strip away the millions and the arguements are still the same....almost word for word sometimes in the movie, it kinda freaked me out. Its kinda nice to see that they at least found some kind of resolution to their problems.

I honestly never bought the last album, nor have I really liked any of the songs on it...not even close compared to puppets, but for some reason I still have a HUGE respect and admiration for this band because of the things they have done throughout their career. I also really like the movie because it is nice to see people for who they are instead of through the spotlights that are smothering them all the time.

Well the last few posts are more of what I thought I would read

I just don't see them enjoying themselves anymore and I really do beleive that INC is more important at this point then the music. Why else make a movie? I thinks it is safe to say, they earned thier place in mucis history and are without a doubt one of the most influential bands of the last 20 years, but all good things come to an end. Its funny how you actually appreciate things more if they aren't around forever. Look at every great band that broke up. Would Cream be Cream if they were still together? Would CCR have been as influential if they were still together?(there are many examples) I think there is a time and place to call it quits, I am afraid that James and Lars are past that point and they will continue to milk the machine for what ever it has to give financially. The fans will always be there out of respect, but I don't think they will ever support their new efforts.
At the end of the day, everyone has to ask themselves the same question; Am I happy and fulfilled with what I do, regardless of my income? If you enjoy it and get paid well, that is awesome. many just don't. I have walked away from 2 careers that compensated me very well. I walked away because I had no life, no family time, the money didn't equate to the loss of enjoyment. Some called me a fool for walking away, but as many other succesful people will state, if you did it once, you can do it again. Why is it James and Lars are afraid to do it again on their own? That is the question that needs to be answered. As miserable as they are, there is a codependce and I just don't think either one of them has the balls to walk away, that is the hardest thing to do.
Personally, I would rather have made 1 great album then make 10 and have no enjoyment out of the process. Money really doesn't buy happiness.
Now if Kirk was so good, why did they cut his solos

hahahah j/k

Anyone SEE Some kind of Monster yet?

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