Question about delay

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  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    the dan-echo is a cool pedal. just keep it on board.

    also, if you haven't already, just try it with the delays in front of the overdrives. that way the echos are somewhat distorted by the gain pedals.
    That idea of having them in front of the distortion sounds good but I'm afraid of too much feedback from the distortions. I can't find a good sound clip of the delay but you can usually hear it on 2003 versions of "Daughter" and "Nothing As It Seems" from Mike. I really like the sound of it "crashing" together.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    the dan-echo is a cool pedal. just keep it on board.

    also, if you haven't already, just try it with the delays in front of the overdrives. that way the echos are somewhat distorted by the gain pedals.
    Oh, I also haven't bought the dan echo but it would be the third delay on my board. Even I am thinking my board is too crowded, now. I'm trying to make due with what I got, first.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    xtremehardy388 wrote:
    That idea of having them in front of the distortion sounds good but I'm afraid of too much feedback from the distortions. I can't find a good sound clip of the delay but you can usually hear it on 2003 versions of "Daughter" and "Nothing As It Seems" from Mike. I really like the sound of it "crashing" together.

    just try it though. i'm sure mike's amps are overdriven (despite whatever gain pedals are on) so, effective, it's the same thing as having the delay before gain. you do need to turn the repeats level down a bit perhaps but i think it's going to get you what you want.

    in mike's old setup from 98 or whatever, his delay was placed before his signal split so it was in front of all gains.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    just try it though. i'm sure mike's amps are overdriven (despite whatever gain pedals are on) so, effective, it's the same thing as having the delay before gain. you do need to turn the repeats level down a bit perhaps but i think it's going to get you what you want.

    in mike's old setup from 98 or whatever, his delay was placed before his signal split so it was in front of all gains.
    Good idea. I appreciate all this help.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • savman
    savman Posts: 230
    Hey all,
    The original link has disappeared? Can someone advise what song(s) the effect/ tone we are trying to get is from?
    thanks,
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    savman wrote:
    Hey all,
    The original link has disappeared? Can someone advise what song(s) the effect/ tone we are trying to get is from?
    thanks,
    Yeah, of course. I'm using a BOSS DD6 and/or a Digitech Digidelay. You can mainly hear the "crashing" delay in Mike's 2000 and 2003 rig. Songs like Daughter (during the tag section, in his fills), and Nothing As It Seems, are what I'm looking for.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB368mlj7aU&feature=related at the 2:17 mark, 4:03, and 5:09. It's not as harsh as what I've heard and what I want, though. I can't really find good videos of that.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    What I would do with the DigiDelay is have the setting on option 5, the Mod Delay, and whack the feedback right up so it sounds warmer than usual and a bit more like Option 4, the Tape Delay (which I wouldn't use in this case as it wouldn't emphasise the repeated signals like that).

    You might want the level and feedback up pretty high, but as for the time, off the top of my head it's probably somewhere around the twelve o' clock mark. I'll give you a better guess about that, when I get the guitar out later and have a bash at getting that sound.
  • savman
    savman Posts: 230
    thanks for the link.

    In the large part I tend to agree with Ian. Sounds like he definately uses a Wah rocking back along with the delay, maybe with some reverb to give it a bit of body?

    If we are throwing out crazy ideas, I have a couple? Probably way off but what the hey. I remember there were some weird effects on the Boss GT-8 that i have (but havnt played it for ages). Like auto-wah and gating effects. Another thought was gated-reverb with delay added somehow. I know Phil Collins used it in 'the air tonight' and I read below http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gated_reverb that it is linked through to the drums? Thinking of Mr Cameron and 'you are' I thought it may be an option, although unlikely. On the clip you posted i couldnt make out Mike playing the note that delays which is why i thought of the above? Although the video may well be lagging?
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Okay, I had a bit of a fart around, and I found I could pull off a passable version of that delay with wah, fuzz, my Digidelay set at Option 5 with the level at 3 o' clock, repeat on 3 o' clock, and the time at fractionally past twelve o' clock. Get ready to switch it on and off quite quickly. I'd whack on a lot of reverb too, and use the DD-3 at another setting for the closing guitar soloing. The growling wah should be up near the heel position, I think. Not that I'm a skilled technician or anything: I just love making fucked up noises. :)
  • mccreadyisgod
    mccreadyisgod Bumfuq, MT Posts: 6,395
    I've never owned a DL-4, but I thought you could use an expression pedal to control things like Feedback rate... it seems to me you could get a really good version of this effect with an analog delay model (like I said before, they get more lo-fi, usually more metallic, with each repeat) and using the exp pedal to pump the feedback, modulate it, and then bring it back in. The wah would help get that nasal sound as well.

    We need that old analogman analogy about analog delay is like laid-back hippie monkeys...
    ...and if you don't like it, you can suck on an egg.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    All right, I got closer to the sound by trying the digidelay things out. Also, with my DD6, I used the warp function. That got me kinda close too. I really just want that "crashing" sound. I'm afraid I just might have to buy an analog which is gonna set me back in the money dept. I was hoping to get that roc pro is McCreadyisGod was still selling, but I dunno, at the moment.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    what are you the angel of death for youtube vids. now that one's gone. oh wait. it's back.

    it's analog delay in front of gain you seek.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    what are you the angel of death for youtube vids. now that one's gone. oh wait. it's back.

    it's analog delay in front of gain you seek.
    Hahaha, angel of death, hahaha. Anyway, I can compare it to this delay, too...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGkJdSTLD_A&feature=related at 3:47.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    that sounded more lo-res digital to me. hmmm.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    that sounded more lo-res digital to me. hmmm.
    Can I get that with my delays?

    Also, for the "Daughter" delays, I think the delay is before the phaser and since I just bought a phase 90 from a certain fellow M&Ger on this board (thanks a lot, by the way), I might be able to get a little closer.
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    not really, no. i have it in my line 6 DL4. i'll try to do a clip here maybe.

    i really think that, with what you have, the tape sim in the digitech is going to be closest to what you want to hear.

    perhaps try out the new digitech DL-8. it has analog, lo-fi and tape sims. i don't know how much it is.
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    I noticed the Danecho had a lo-fi switch. It seemed to just make the delays longer and faster
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    xtremehardy388 wrote:
    I noticed the Danecho had a lo-fi switch. It seemed to just make the delays longer and faster

    it has a variable hi-cut control to do the lo-fi echos. the switch is only for time range.

    here's what the DL4 can do. mike does/did use one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAokdNBBiA0
  • xtremehardy388
    xtremehardy388 Posts: 2,759
    exhausted wrote:
    it has a variable hi-cut control to do the lo-fi echos. the switch is only for time range.

    here's what the DL4 can do. mike does/did use one.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAokdNBBiA0
    I was so close to buying this but it's too expensive and too big for my board
    Grand Rapids '04, Detroit '06
    JEFF HARDY AND JEFF AMENT USED TO LOOK THE SAME
    "Pearl Jam always eases my mind and fires me up at the same time.”-Jeff Hardy
  • exhausted
    exhausted Posts: 6,638
    not if you got rid of the DD-6 and the digidelay. :p it is pricey though.

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