Can 10 club be sued over these transactions?

jbalicki10
jbalicki10 Posts: 517
edited February 2008 in The Porch
First of all I just wanted to state I did not attempt to get tickets, nor am I a lawyer. However, it does seem 10 club could be in trouble by this ticket fiasco. I hope 10 club straightens out everything and everything is cool. I just hope 10 club doesnt get a class action lawsuit or anything. Is this even possible? If so, would the 10 club cease to exist?
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  • Gather No Moss
    Gather No Moss Omaha Posts: 339
    fan means you like them...
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  • dolly rocker
    dolly rocker Long Beach NY Posts: 352
    In this crazy world nothing would surprise me, a shame to even think about it.
  • This is just getting a little too crazy now.

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  • you can sue anyone for anything. winning is another story.
  • aNiMaL
    aNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    No, not without proving malicious intent and an unwillingness to make things right.
  • I think suing them would be way too extreme but considering they specifically told people to keep trying and those people were the ones screwed in this money deal, there are probably some legal issues there.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    aNiMaL wrote:
    No, not without proving malicious intent and an unwillingness to make things right.

    you dont need malicious intent to prove breach of contract.

    It would largely depend upon the terms and conditions of your purchase.
    Agreement with 10c regarding ticket purchase
    Agreement with the credit/debit card for unauthorized transactions
    Agreement with the service providers (i.e. charge processing systems)
    I am sure its not so simple as the transactions are automated


    but if they were willing to make things right then there would be no need for a class action
  • Kel Varnsen
    Kel Varnsen Posts: 1,952
    aNiMaL wrote:
    No, not without proving malicious intent and an unwillingness to make things right.


    Would it have to be malicious? Maybe for fraud but for negligence I think all you would have to prove was that 1) damages occured (which you could if people had bills bounce and charges aquired because 10club was holding money in their account) and 2) that 10club was the cause of those damages 3) and that it was reasonable to think that they had a duty to prevent those damages from occuring. I think the hardest part would be to prove damages. I mean maybe because of the hold you get an overdraft charge or a penalty on your phone bill, but what is that 50 bucks? A lawsuit seems like a lot of work for that much payoff. You would be better off taking the case to The People's Court. At least then you get $5000 for your troubles.
    Get_Right wrote:
    you dont need malicious intent to prove breach of contract.
    It would largely depend upon the terms and conditions of your purchase.
    Agreement with 10c regarding ticket purchase
    Agreement with the credit/debit card for unauthorized transactions
    Agreement with the service providers (i.e. charge processing systems)
    I am sure its not so simple as the transactions are automated

    For tort law cases, such as negligence, you don't even need a contract, just a resonable assumption that there is a duty of care between the two parties.
  • HermanBloom
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    This is why lawyers and those that think like them should be crushed
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  • pjtradeking
    pjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    I cannot believe that this is even being discussed....WOW!! :eek:
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  • In2Deep
    In2Deep Posts: 496
    jbalicki10 wrote:
    First of all I just wanted to state I did not attempt to get tickets, nor am I a lawyer. However, it does seem 10 club could be in trouble by this ticket fiasco. I hope 10 club straightens out everything and everything is cool. I just hope 10 club doesnt get a class action lawsuit or anything. Is this even possible? If so, would the 10 club cease to exist?


    Why would you even bring these up? There are morons out there who get so bitter, they could the get the idea.
  • In2Deep wrote:
    Why would you even bring these up? There are morons out there who get so bitter, they could the get the idea.

    I think your right. For the number of people who tried to get tickets and the number of transactions that were false, this could be a huge mistake. Is there a way to delete this thread? I don't want 10 club to die because of tickets and greed.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    fan means you like them...

    i think around here "fan" has come to mean the kind of "like" that one girl had for michael douglas in fatal attraction.
  • When I e-mailed 10c about my own personal account, they said, promptly, that it would take 3-5 days for the bank to reverse the charge(hold). HOWEVER, 10c did state that they would submit the necessary information to the bank for a quicker reversal, if I wanted them to, and provided 10c with a couble of details regarding the bank I use, and my acct.

    This, to me, indicates a willingness to rectify the situation in a quicker fashion. They made the offer without me asking for them to do so. I only asked them was whether I had tix or not because my acct had a charge, and my profile had no order. Again, they offered to rectify it. So I think they acknowledge the issue and are being helpful.

    I think they could possibly be sued if someone incurred bank charges related to overdrafts on their account based on multiple holds due to multiple attempts on each individual show, and 10c did nothing to rectify. For example, if I go for LA2 and get it, and I get an overdraft, that's my fault. But if I go for LA2 5 times, thinking it never went through but 5 times $147 hits my bank, and other checks bounce, I think 10c would be responsible.
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  • jbalicki10 wrote:
    First of all I just wanted to state I did not attempt to get tickets, nor am I a lawyer. However, it does seem 10 club could be in trouble by this ticket fiasco. I hope 10 club straightens out everything and everything is cool. I just hope 10 club doesnt get a class action lawsuit or anything. Is this even possible? If so, would the 10 club cease to exist?

    Why not, you guys sue for everything else. Look at the Judge with the suit case.......fuck me.......
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  • First of all, where does 10C say anywhere in writing that this sort of thing will not happen. If it doesn't say it, then it can't really be sued for. If they posted on the site, that the site will not crash during ticket sales and it does such as yesterday, then yes, one could technically sue. But seeing as this is not the case, then no they cannot.
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168

    For tort law cases, such as negligence, you don't even need a contract, just a resonable assumption that there is a duty of care between the two parties.

    you are right.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168

    I think they could possibly be sued if someone incurred bank charges related to overdrafts on their account based on multiple holds due to multiple attempts on each individual show, and 10c did nothing to rectify. For example, if I go for LA2 and get it, and I get an overdraft, that's my fault. But if I go for LA2 5 times, thinking it never went through but 5 times $147 hits my bank, and other checks bounce, I think 10c would be responsible.

    depends on what caused the overcharge
    was it the multiple clicking or a system error-it might not be so simple
  • Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kel Varnsen

    For tort law cases, such as negligence, you don't even need a contract, just a resonable assumption that there is a duty of care between the two parties.

    There is no reasonable assumption here, given previous performance of 10 Club ticket sales. I think history of past performance would prevail here.
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