it works both ways
people clicked submit, without knowing if they had tickets or had been charged previously. Some actually got tickets. I think its reasonable to assume that each time you click submit, you might be charged.
But, since the charges were in error, the banks should back off.
I think in reality, 10c is trying to be helpful, and I think you are right in that the banks would back off, and I think that while the grocery market says they'll charge a fee for returned checks, I think they would back off as well. Especially if you can show these people what happened. Getting down to the title of the thread, exploring the possibility, I painted a scenario where it could happen. I don't think it ever would. I fealt it with the response and the willingness to help I got from 10c.
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First of all I just wanted to state I did not attempt to get tickets, nor am I a lawyer. However, it does seem 10 club could be in trouble by this ticket fiasco. I hope 10 club straightens out everything and everything is cool. I just hope 10 club doesnt get a class action lawsuit or anything. Is this even possible? If so, would the 10 club cease to exist?
You have to be shitting me. Let's take a deep breath, people...
not a million dollars but there are people on here who have $3000 being withheld from their accounts and its probably made them overdrawn, unable to purchase in the meantime, etc... so its not a million dollars but in perspective terms how would you like it if you ordered a book from amazon that claimed to be in stock but really wasnt and they charged you 10 times the cost of that book?
ok you'll get the money back, but its a possible litigious scenario if someone has no actual funds for 3-5 days simply because the 10c server kept allowing them to click BUY on that ticket sale.
only if you tried to order to book 10 times
nobody here tried to get tix once and got charged 5 times. people tried to buy them 5 times and got charged 5 times. the getting charged without getting tickets is a problem, yes, but the fact that it happened 5 times is the fault of the user who tried it 5 times despite obvious error messages
nobody here tried to get tix once and got charged 5 times. people tried to buy them 5 times and got charged 5 times. the getting charged without getting tickets is a problem, yes, but the fact that it happened 5 times is the fault of the user who tried it 5 times despite obvious error messages
let's not forget that many of these "charges" were done AFTER the shows were sold out.....10c left the links up and for whatever reason the buy button would appear on various shows.....if people didn't come here first and just went to buy the shows they were getting the hold charges....that is definitely 10c's fault for not taking down the links once the shows were sold out....no one should have to come here first to find out that the shows were sold out and they weren't really getting tix.....
dunks a crazy mofo, quite justifiably being a devil's advocate i think
im just getting frustrated by the craziness just now. some people just react so badly to what was clearly a computer error
to be fair, 10c server fucked up when london was on sale and lots of these charges were put against cards, including mine, but 10c decided to stem the flow by closing down the goods section til the backlog was dealt with. they should have done that in this instance
(that goods closure was awesome though cos some guy posted a link to me to get into the goods section behind the closed page, and we could buy tix without anyone else clogging up the system. man that was awesome!) good times!
I've read many posts in the past few hours about how violated many people feel about having numerous pending charges on their checking accounts in trying to get EV tour tickets, and those very people wondering their legal recourse due to this situation.
THERE IS NO LEGAL RECOURSE. YOU HAVE NO CASE. IT'S FUCKING UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.
10C did not screw with their servers or deliberately swiped people's cards numerous times. You all did it yourselves in trying to get tickets. I would have done the same thing too!
This is not a situation that 10C can be blamed for. Right now they are probably trying to iron out the problem and are drafting up a message to send to you all explaining the problems you and they encountered in this obviously crazed attempt by thousands of people trying to buy only a few precious alloted Fan Club tickets. And the 10C said it would TRY to hook you up but there is NEVER any guarantee that you would get tickets.
We go through this shit every time the 10C sale tickets, ya'll should be used to this now.
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I've read many posts in the past few hours about how violated many people feel about having numerous pending charges on their checking accounts in trying to get EV tour tickets, and those very people wondering their legal recourse due to this situation.
THERE IS NO LEGAL RECOURSE. YOU HAVE NO CASE. IT'S FUCKING UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.
10C did not screw with their servers or deliberately swiped people's cards numerous times. You all did it yourselves in trying to get tickets. I would have done the same thing too!
Obviously you didn't read my earlier post because while I would be surprised if someone went there, if someone felt there was damages due to 10club negligence they could have reason for legal action. And negligence doesn't require that 10club deliberately tried to scam people. All it requires is that they could have reasonably foreseen that this might happen.
I had the issue with my credit card being charged and not getting tickets. I wrote 10C regarding it and they got back to me within 2 hours. Explaining what happened and apologizing. So I didn't get tickets. No big deal!! I'll try on Friday and if that doesn't happen I'll see him next time around.
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First of all I just wanted to state I did not attempt to get tickets, nor am I a lawyer. However, it does seem 10 club could be in trouble by this ticket fiasco. I hope 10 club straightens out everything and everything is cool. I just hope 10 club doesnt get a class action lawsuit or anything. Is this even possible? If so, would the 10 club cease to exist?
and the answer is...................NO. while i agree its a mess, and ive been strongly voicing my opinion against the 10c today in this fiasco ( for the record , i didnt even try to get tickets ) the multiple charges suck ( been there with my bank ) the simple matter is, thats what happens when everything these days happens on the world wide web. they are in no way, in danger of being sued. they should however, as ive stated over and over, fix the problem ( the server ) and address the issue ( an apology )
but can they be sued? NO.
Peace, Love.
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to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
This is true, but remember, this entire thread is hypothetical. Nobody's actually suing.
I hope.
Actually, that would be the least rock n' roll thing in the world.
It is time to admit that we used to rock like hurricanes. It is time to run for the hills and go round and round. It is time for us to shout at the devil. We've got the right to choose it, there ain't no way we'll lose it, and we're not gonna take it anymore.
- C. Klosterman
They really are trying to help us fans secure tickets.. shit happens. I lost out on what I wanted, too, but for Christs sake, suing them? Get a grip. Repeated, for emphasis, "SHIT HAPPENS".
"TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, LACK OF VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL COMPONENTS AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED WITHIN THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. ALL SUCH INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, WORKMANLIKE EFFORT, TITLE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT."
"IN NO EVENT SHALL TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, WITH THE DELAY OR INABILITY TO USE THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES OR RELATED SERVICES, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, OR FOR ANY INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS OBTAINED THROUGH THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, WHETHER BASED ON CONTRACT, TORT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHERWISE, EVEN IF TEN CLUB OR ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGES. BECAUSE SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, THE ABOVE LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, OR WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USING THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES."
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
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You have to be shitting me. Let's take a deep breath, people...
I agree, all need to take a deep breath. I didn't try for tickets and I can truly feel for all involved. I really think the biggest issue here is the 10c not saying anything except to a few who got an email back.
I don't think a proof reader is needed for Kat to say "We are terribly sorry for the events surrounding the EV solo tour ticketing, we are doing our best to rectify the problem and will post more information in the very near future. We are doing our best people....please be patient."
I think a lot of people would breath easier if something was being related to the consumer.
Adolescence in essence is all about trust.
Leaving is for the answering machine.
This is true, but remember, this entire thread is hypothetical. Nobody's actually suing.
I hope.
Actually, that would be the least rock n' roll thing in the world.
You make a very good point. Let's hope it stays that way
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well i've given up trying to figure out what dunk is talking about...;)
yeah me too... i just let the fingers go where they want.. normally i'm thinking about hitting an anvil with a orange.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
nobody here tried to get tix once and got charged 5 times. people tried to buy them 5 times and got charged 5 times. the getting charged without getting tickets is a problem, yes, but the fact that it happened 5 times is the fault of the user who tried it 5 times despite obvious error messages
I'd stop if I got a sold out message, or if I got confirmation that I bought the tickets. Any other time 10c has put tickets up for sale people have clicked on buy a gazillion times without this ever happening.
... and the will to show I will always be better than before.
I'd stop if I got a sold out message, or if I got confirmation that I bought the tickets. Any other time 10c has put tickets up for sale people have clicked on buy a gazillion times without this ever happening.
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I think in reality, 10c is trying to be helpful, and I think you are right in that the banks would back off, and I think that while the grocery market says they'll charge a fee for returned checks, I think they would back off as well. Especially if you can show these people what happened. Getting down to the title of the thread, exploring the possibility, I painted a scenario where it could happen. I don't think it ever would. I fealt it with the response and the willingness to help I got from 10c.
You have to be shitting me. Let's take a deep breath, people...
agreed .....
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nobody here tried to get tix once and got charged 5 times. people tried to buy them 5 times and got charged 5 times. the getting charged without getting tickets is a problem, yes, but the fact that it happened 5 times is the fault of the user who tried it 5 times despite obvious error messages
i'm not gonna type this again...
im just saying the comparison made was bollocks
people tried to get tix, the system crashed. those that got their orders in first, got them, those that didnt, didnt.
it seems pretty simple. i was annoyed when this happened for london, but the extent this has blown up is both incredible and embarrassing.
well i've given up trying to figure out what dunk is talking about...;)
im just getting frustrated by the craziness just now. some people just react so badly to what was clearly a computer error
to be fair, 10c server fucked up when london was on sale and lots of these charges were put against cards, including mine, but 10c decided to stem the flow by closing down the goods section til the backlog was dealt with. they should have done that in this instance
(that goods closure was awesome though cos some guy posted a link to me to get into the goods section behind the closed page, and we could buy tix without anyone else clogging up the system. man that was awesome!) good times!
THERE IS NO LEGAL RECOURSE. YOU HAVE NO CASE. IT'S FUCKING UNFORTUNATE SITUATION.
10C did not screw with their servers or deliberately swiped people's cards numerous times. You all did it yourselves in trying to get tickets. I would have done the same thing too!
This is not a situation that 10C can be blamed for. Right now they are probably trying to iron out the problem and are drafting up a message to send to you all explaining the problems you and they encountered in this obviously crazed attempt by thousands of people trying to buy only a few precious alloted Fan Club tickets. And the 10C said it would TRY to hook you up but there is NEVER any guarantee that you would get tickets.
We go through this shit every time the 10C sale tickets, ya'll should be used to this now.
First PJ Show: March 20, 1994 | Ann Arbor | Crisler Arena
Obviously you didn't read my earlier post because while I would be surprised if someone went there, if someone felt there was damages due to 10club negligence they could have reason for legal action. And negligence doesn't require that 10club deliberately tried to scam people. All it requires is that they could have reasonably foreseen that this might happen.
I had the issue with my credit card being charged and not getting tickets. I wrote 10C regarding it and they got back to me within 2 hours. Explaining what happened and apologizing. So I didn't get tickets. No big deal!! I'll try on Friday and if that doesn't happen I'll see him next time around.
and the answer is...................NO. while i agree its a mess, and ive been strongly voicing my opinion against the 10c today in this fiasco ( for the record , i didnt even try to get tickets ) the multiple charges suck ( been there with my bank ) the simple matter is, thats what happens when everything these days happens on the world wide web. they are in no way, in danger of being sued. they should however, as ive stated over and over, fix the problem ( the server ) and address the issue ( an apology )
but can they be sued? NO.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
I hope.
Actually, that would be the least rock n' roll thing in the world.
- C. Klosterman
Peace
"TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE SUITABILITY, RELIABILITY, AVAILABILITY, TIMELINESS, LACK OF VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL COMPONENTS AND ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS CONTAINED WITHIN THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES FOR ANY PURPOSE. ALL SUCH INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS ARE PROVIDED "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND. TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES AND CONDITIONS OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, WORKMANLIKE EFFORT, TITLE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT."
"IN NO EVENT SHALL TEN CLUB AND/OR ITS SUPPLIERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, ARISING OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, WITH THE DELAY OR INABILITY TO USE THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES OR RELATED SERVICES, THE PROVISION OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, OR FOR ANY INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, PRODUCTS, SERVICES AND RELATED GRAPHICS OBTAINED THROUGH THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, WHETHER BASED ON CONTRACT, TORT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHERWISE, EVEN IF TEN CLUB OR ANY OF ITS SUPPLIERS HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF DAMAGES. BECAUSE SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, THE ABOVE LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU. IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES, OR WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USING THE TEN CLUB SITES/SERVICES."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I agree, all need to take a deep breath. I didn't try for tickets and I can truly feel for all involved. I really think the biggest issue here is the 10c not saying anything except to a few who got an email back.
I don't think a proof reader is needed for Kat to say "We are terribly sorry for the events surrounding the EV solo tour ticketing, we are doing our best to rectify the problem and will post more information in the very near future. We are doing our best people....please be patient."
I think a lot of people would breath easier if something was being related to the consumer.
Leaving is for the answering machine.
You make a very good point. Let's hope it stays that way
I hope so... I don't wanna be the guy who killed the 10 club...
Don't be a litigious asshole. Scumbag lawyers are one of the many problems with America.
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Though I have no doubt someone will try to poke holes at it.
yeah me too... i just let the fingers go where they want.. normally i'm thinking about hitting an anvil with a orange.
anyway, the disclaimer doesn't mention mental anguish, does it?
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INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
lmfao
I know that wasn't directed at me
you don't know me, anytime, anywhere.........
PEARL JAM~San Antonio, TX. 4~5~03
INCUBUS~Houston, TX. 1~19~07
INCUBUS~Denver, CO. 2~8~07
Lollapalooza~Chicago, IL. 8~5~07
INCUBUS~Austin, TX. 9~3~07
Bonnaroo~Manchester, TN 6~14~08
If this same thing has happened before, and 10C knows about it and has not corrected the problem then this action alone could be fraudulant.
IMHO because I really don't know shit except I got charged and didn't get tickets.
I'd stop if I got a sold out message, or if I got confirmation that I bought the tickets. Any other time 10c has put tickets up for sale people have clicked on buy a gazillion times without this ever happening.