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Poncier · December 2025

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So. Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams. Two in a row actually. The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now.

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league. Don't care about the stats. Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye. Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league? Myles Garrett should probably win it. But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

The odds of a defender (or any player) on a 4-win team winning MVP are pretty slim. Your team should also win for you to prove to be the most valuable player in the league. Take Garrett away from the Browns, they drop from 4 wins to what maybe 3? Take Maye away from the Pats they drop from 13 wins (going on 14) to what, maybe 6?
Do I think Maye has had the best season of anyone in the league? It's close. He's definitely had one of the top 5 seasons of any player in the league. Maye, Stafford, Smith-Njigba, Garrett and either Taylor, Cook or Nakua would be your top 5 players this season.
From that, MVP should come down to Maye vs. Stafford. Arguments can be made for each. I stated my case above; I give Maye a slight edge currently (a week ago I would have given edge to Stafford). Could it flip back Sunday, possibly.

pjhawks · December 2025

Poncier said:

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So. Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams. Two in a row actually. The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now.

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league. Don't care about the stats. Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye. Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league? Myles Garrett should probably win it. But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

The odds of a defender (or any player) on a 4-win team winning MVP are pretty slim. Your team should also win for you to prove to be the most valuable player in the league. Take Garrett away from the Browns, they drop from 4 wins to what maybe 3? Take Maye away from the Pats they drop from 13 wins (going on 14) to what, maybe 6?
Do I think Maye has had the best season of anyone in the league? It's close. He's definitely had one of the top 5 seasons of any player in the league. Maye, Stafford, Smith-Njigba, Garrett and either Taylor, Cook or Nakua would be your top 5 players this season.
From that, MVP should come down to Maye vs. Stafford. Arguments can be made for each. I stated my case above; I give Maye a slight edge currently (a week ago I would have given edge to Stafford). Could it flip back Sunday, possibly.

IF you are going to use a terrible organization against Garrett shouldn't you use a terrible schedule against Maye? I'd go with Stafford and Garrett but that's just me.

Poncier · December 2025

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So. Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams. Two in a row actually. The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now.

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league. Don't care about the stats. Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye. Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league? Myles Garrett should probably win it. But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

The odds of a defender (or any player) on a 4-win team winning MVP are pretty slim. Your team should also win for you to prove to be the most valuable player in the league. Take Garrett away from the Browns, they drop from 4 wins to what maybe 3? Take Maye away from the Pats they drop from 13 wins (going on 14) to what, maybe 6?
Do I think Maye has had the best season of anyone in the league? It's close. He's definitely had one of the top 5 seasons of any player in the league. Maye, Stafford, Smith-Njigba, Garrett and either Taylor, Cook or Nakua would be your top 5 players this season.
From that, MVP should come down to Maye vs. Stafford. Arguments can be made for each. I stated my case above; I give Maye a slight edge currently (a week ago I would have given edge to Stafford). Could it flip back Sunday, possibly.

IF you are going to use a terrible organization against Garrett shouldn't you use a terrible schedule against Maye? I'd go with Stafford and Garrett but that's just me.

I mean, there have been exactly 2 defensive players in history to win AP NFL MVP (Alan Page and I Don't Card Them Taylor), so odds were stacked against Garrett anyway, but his team is 4-12. So, while he's a lock for DPOY, he doesn't have a sniff at MVP. If the Browns were 12-4 and winning most games like last week's 13-6 quagmire against the Steelers, then Garrett is in the conversation.

As for holding the schedule against Maye and giving a nod to Stafford, conversely you should also compare their weapons, and Stafford is throwing to Nakua and Adams while Maye has Diggs and a bunch of #4 or #5 type receivers. Those things kind of cancel each other out in my opinion.
Stafford may still win it, but he has fallen off in the most critical part of the season, and his team has gone from a firm grasp on the 1 seed after week 15 to the 6 seed as we enter week 18. The loss to Seattle is not on Stafford, but the brutal loss to Atlanta Monday is largely on Stafford.

Wobbie · December 2025

Is Dak in the discussion? 🤣

tempo_n_groove · December 2025

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So. Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams. Two in a row actually. The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now.

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

Because the Falcons were so good, lol...

tempo_n_groove · December 2025

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So. Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams. Two in a row actually. The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now.

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league. Don't care about the stats. Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye. Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league? Myles Garrett should probably win it. But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

Would you say Maye has done more with less?

Johnny Abruzzo · December 2025

All the shows were saying Maye "cemented his MVP" or whatever because of his game against the Jets. That's such an encapsulation. Patriots played the Mr. Softee schedule. Doesn't mean they won't go to the Super Bowl but let's not make such a big deal about 6 TD's vs. the Jets. I'd go with Stafford. The Rams would be in the top spot without some fluky losses (yeah, Jordan Davis blocked FG included).

pjhawks · December 2025

tempo_n_groove said:

pjhawks said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

Poncier said:

pearldavidson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

So. Maye for MVP now?

Also tough loss for the Rams. Two in a row actually. The Falcons came to play apparently.

Maye might be the favorite now.

On Fan Duel this morning Maye is -290, Stafford now +230
Draftkings has Maye -400 and Stafford +300

Dan O on ESPN making an interesting point on the Rams schedule vs the Patriots. The Patriots played a weak schedule. That might come into play for voters.

If Stafford wins, at this point it will be the lifetime achievement vote as he's never won it and is 37. He leads Maye and the league in TD passes. they are tied in INTs, Maye leads the league in Comp Pct and passer rating.
Tipping point should be Maye's 408 rush yards and 4 TDs to Stafford's 28 rush yds and 0 TDs coupled with the Pats having a better record than the Rams (yes, we know about the schedule) and Rams are finishing with a whimper.
Unless Maye lays an egg vs Miami Sunday, he should win.

Drake Maye is not the MVP of this league. Don't care about the stats. Stafford definitely deserves it over Maye. Do you really think he has had the best season of anyone in the league? Myles Garrett should probably win it. But don't they give offensive and defensive awards in each conference?

Would you say Maye has done more with less?

No, I'd say Maye has done more against a really weak schedule. They only played 3 games against teams with winning records and one of them was the Steelers. They played more games (5) against 4 of the worst teams in the Jets, Raiders, Titans and Giants. Their schedule was putrid. Impressive to win as many games as they did but let's look at it under that lens. Meanwhile the Rams will have played almost half their games against playoff teams (8 currently and possibly 9 if the Ravens win this week).

cutz · December 2025

Johnny Abruzzo said:

All the shows were saying Maye "cemented his MVP" or whatever because of his game against the Jets. That's such an encapsulation. Patriots played the Mr. Softee schedule. Doesn't mean they won't go to the Super Bowl but let's not make such a big deal about 6 TD's vs. the Jets. I'd go with Stafford. The Rams would be in the top spot without some fluky losses (yeah, Jordan Davis blocked FG included).

I know the Jets SUCK but 6 TD's in the NFL vs any opponent is impressive.

MayDay10 · December 2025

I dont think they should look at schedule difficulty when deciding mvp.

I do wonder if they give it to Stafford just as a nod to a vet.

Wobbie · January 1

I don’t give a rat’s ass who wins it.

mickeyrat · January 1

Wobbie said:

I don’t give a rat’s ass who wins it.

good to know. I'm not done with it yet.

F Me In The Brain · January 1

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/49ers-austen-pleasants-onetime-delivery-man-21269993.php

@Wobbie, you have to be excited about the Pepperoni Pounder from Ohio

Wobbie · January 1

F Me In The Brain said:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/49ers-austen-pleasants-onetime-delivery-man-21269993.php

@Wobbie, you have to be excited about the Pepperoni Pounder from Ohio

can’t read it, buddy.

F Me In The Brain · January 1

Wobbie said:

F Me In The Brain said:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/49ers-austen-pleasants-onetime-delivery-man-21269993.php

@Wobbie, you have to be excited about the Pepperoni Pounder from Ohio

can’t read it, buddy.

Left tack Austen Pleasants, filling in for Big Trent, for 49ers....U of Ohio guy who banged around on a lot of practice squads. Was a pizza delivery guy.
Played pretty much whole game last week and did well.
Love seeing people get their chances to play.

Wobbie · January 1

F Me In The Brain said:

Wobbie said:

F Me In The Brain said:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/49ers/article/49ers-austen-pleasants-onetime-delivery-man-21269993.php

@Wobbie, you have to be excited about the Pepperoni Pounder from Ohio

can’t read it, buddy.

Left tack Austen Pleasants, filling in for Big Trent, for 49ers....U of Ohio guy who banged around on a lot of practice squads. Was a pizza delivery guy.
Played pretty much whole game last week and did well.
Love seeing people get their chances to play.

Cool. There is no U of Ohio, but there is an Ohio U.

Johnny Abruzzo · January 2

cutz said:

Johnny Abruzzo said:

All the shows were saying Maye "cemented his MVP" or whatever because of his game against the Jets. That's such an encapsulation. Patriots played the Mr. Softee schedule. Doesn't mean they won't go to the Super Bowl but let's not make such a big deal about 6 TD's vs. the Jets. I'd go with Stafford. The Rams would be in the top spot without some fluky losses (yeah, Jordan Davis blocked FG included).

I know the Jets SUCK but 6 TD's in the NFL vs any opponent is impressive.

The Jets are close to an NFL record with 0 interceptions. And it's a 17-game season now! (16 so far - they effectively already broke the "record") They are horrible.

Saying the Jets "suck" is an insult to suckers all over.

Johnny Abruzzo · January 2

Random Rule Changes - some I thought of and some I've read about or they've been proposed:

If you return a fumble or interception for a TD, you get the points and keep the ball.
If you fumble the ball out of the other team's end zone, the other team has to make a 2-point conversion to get the ball.
If you punt, kick-off, or throw the ball through the goal posts, you get 1 point.
Instead of onsides kick, you get a 4th & 15, or better yet a 4th & goal at the 15.
Draft order: #1 goes to the team with most wins after being eliminated from the playoffs.
Illegal contact/defensive holding - 10 yards instead of 5, but NO automatic first down - such bullshit you get a first down on some lame IC call on 3rd & 23.
Offensive pass interference - still 10 yards but also loss of down. Why should you get the down over?

MayDay10 · January 3

One thing I want to see... is if you get a half-the distance penalty toward your end zone, the balance of the penalty should be tacked onto the first down yardage.
*If you are at the 10, 1st and 10, you get a holding call. Half the distance to the 5, then the first down distance should be extended 5 more yards so it would be 1st and 20 from the 5.

I would also like to see some sort of version of the college OT. Let each team alternate starts from their own 40 or something. Going for 2 is mandatory. If players bitch about a game potentially taking too long, then have the 3rd OT or later start from the red zone/20 for each team.

pjhawks · January 3

MayDay10 said:

One thing I want to see... is if you get a half-the distance penalty toward your end zone, the balance of the penalty should be tacked onto the first down yardage.
*If you are at the 10, 1st and 10, you get a holding call. Half the distance to the 5, then the first down distance should be extended 5 more yards so it would be 1st and 20 from the 5.

I would also like to see some sort of version of the college OT. Let each team alternate starts from their own 40 or something. Going for 2 is mandatory. If players bitch about a game potentially taking too long, then have the 3rd OT or later start from the red zone/20 for each team.

100 percent on the half distance penalty? Why should you get less yards because you are close to your own end zone.

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