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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,971
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mickeyrat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.



    HOW DARE YOU....
    Super productive.  
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,280
    cincybearcat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.



    HOW DARE YOU....
    Super productive.  

    sarcasm usually is.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mickeyrat said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.



    HOW DARE YOU....
    Super productive.  

    sarcasm usually is.
    Its usually funny though.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,468
    cincybearcat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.

    Identity over merit is not equal. Not now, not ever. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,304
    cincybearcat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.
    Its at least acknowledging that there is some sort of disparity. At least its attempting to correct. Without it, theres no motivation for widespread change.


    We literally just went through a cultural cycle of people trying to point out that privilege exists (especially for white folks) and society generally went, 'nuh-uh'.

  • Tim Simmons
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    Lerxst1992 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.

    Identity over merit is not equal. Not now, not ever. 
    So does equality exist then?

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,468
    Tim Simmons said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.

    Identity over merit is not equal. Not now, not ever. 
    So does equality exist then?

    Practically never. If someone has a better resume and interview, they get the job. Difficult to believe we live in a country where applicants names need to be hidden. But let that not stop us from providing education and training to those in need. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,304
    Should we chase trying to make things equal?

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,304
    edited October 9
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.

    Identity over merit is not equal. Not now, not ever. 
    So does equality exist then?

    If someone has a better resume and interview, they get the job.  
    Do you believe companies hire a less qualified person to do a job despite it being against the companies best interest?


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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,231
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.

    Identity over merit is not equal. Not now, not ever. 
    So does equality exist then?

    Practically never. If someone has a better resume and interview, they get the job. Difficult to believe we live in a country where applicants names need to be hidden. But let that not stop us from providing education and training to those in need. 

      * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.


    Stop pretending that bias in the hiring process doesn’t exist and that white people don’t have an advantage based strictly on their name as it appears on their resume/application.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2024/04/17/new-research-reveals-resumes-with-black-names-experience-bias-in-the-hiring-process/



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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,221
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    Eliminate the circumstances where we need equity, all we are left with is equality.


    True but you don't have equality during that time...and what = equity is likely a different definition for many.  Equity is just a lame way of saying you will purposely prop people up...at the expense of others who do not fit the group.

    Identity over merit is not equal. Not now, not ever. 
    So does equality exist then?

    Practically never. If someone has a better resume and interview, they get the job. Difficult to believe we live in a country where applicants names need to be hidden. But let that not stop us from providing education and training to those in need. 
    Lol i have seen plenty of under qualified morons get a job just because they know the right people and have connections. In almost all situations the under qualified person was a white male and other more qualified candidates of all races were passed over because they  weren't part of the boys club.  Meritocracy has never existed across the board in the USA.

    I like the idea if a blind process during hiring. No names identifying info etc until the interview.
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,468
    Do companies hire a less qualified person to do a job despite it being against the companies best interest?

    If they're offering Executives bonuses to attain diversity hiring targets then of course it's in the interest of that person to consider ethnicity or gender first.



    Does bias also favor whites in many cases?

    I don't recall saying that it did not. One of the fundamentals of my beliefs are too wrongs do not make a right. Merit before identity.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,304
    edited October 9
    So you think in some (most? all?) cases, Merit is never the first criteria when hiring. And sometimes its not even a hoop to jump through?


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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,304
    If quantitative metrics are eliminated from companies that have them, is DEI a good thing then?


  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,280

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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,468
    mickeyrat said:



    It’s been awhile. 

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,304
    Thats a different band
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,661
    edited October 10
    Ferrari going electric is "woke.".
    Farging iceholes pandering to the ignoramusses.


    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,971
    Lerxst1992 said:
    mickeyrat said:



    It’s been awhile. 

    God how I dislike this comedian....well I hate his shift.  I used to find his videos of standup mostly funny, now it is all about idiots in the audience and him lecturing people. 

    And this is a lazy take, as many are, in an attempt to be funny .... funny like 30 years ago.

    Is it ok to not like Bab Bunny's shitty music?
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