Keeping Men out of Women's Sports
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They don’t care about the hill, they only care about shit stirring.0
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DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Halifax2TheMax said:Tim Simmons said:No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in.
Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.
Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?
conservatives themselves rejected trumpism on the whole. They didn't vote in Shark Tank as their party leader.
then the nation rejected PP's isolationist, anti-immigration agenda. Again, I never once said all conservatives are MAGA. Stop trying to prove such a stupid point. I have always maintained that generalizations are for the ignorant. If I say "conservatives", it should be obvious to the biggest dolt in the room I don't mean 100% of that entire group. How many times must I explain this to you?
we were only "canada first" (which isn't even accurate, we were more "friends first" as we still have several allies that we're reaching out to to fill the void) in reaction to the orange menace.
I am fully behind any movement that is inclusive, and fully behind leaving behind those that reject it. I know you have issues with the tolerance paradox, but that's your problem.
we've been over JT's metoo moment a thousand times. If you have to keep bringing up the same old recycled garbage to make your point, then maybe revisit your point.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Halifax2TheMax said:DarthMaeglin said:Tim Simmons said:It should be clear by now. Conservative and bigots plan is 1% protecting girls/women*, 99% ostracizing, marginalizing, othering and hopefully eliminating Trans people.
*which will go to 0% once this plan is accomplished
Just as there’s a spectrum of “progressive” values, it’s no different on the other side.
So, as a Canadian conservative, what are your thoughts on the trans community and the subject of the title? Canada has had gay marriage since the 80’s, I believe, being the first to recognize it at a federal level and codify it as a basic right, correct? What is the Canadian conservative view of the trans community? I think it’s, meh , whatever and no big deal (not being dismissive, just doesn’t get folks so riled up) but I may be wrong. It may be different as well between provinces, Alberta/BC, but again, I’m not sure.
20-25% of religious Americans are evangelical and they are for sure, if conservative, against anything trans. Add in the conservative Catholics, Anglicans, Muslim and Jewish faiths and you can understand why trans folks in the US are fearful. I don’t get the same sense of Canada in that way.
Here in Canada it’s the so-called “progressive” parties that don’t allow for freedom of thought and belief (try taking an anti-trans position in the Liberals or NDP. Dear Justin’s first act as party leader was to kick out anyone that disputed his chosen position on abortion, for example.) unfortunately.
while “you personally”, as a conservative have no issue with the trans community, what is the policy position of PP’s Conservative Party? Are they as open as you?
”Dont allow for ‘freedom of thought and belief’.” How is that manifested? Seems like a blanket statement and there’d have to be more than a one off to make it true, yes? From what I see and know, I don’t see liberals being silenced and if they are, they align/identify/switch to NDP or go Green. But what do I know? Whereas with conservatives, there may not be that space within the Conservative Party, more monolithic? and if you want an alternative, it’s fringe or Quebecois?
If my assumptions are correct, where in that context do you fall? And where do the conservative parties stand on trans rights?
In short, I agree with the CPC’s stance on the issue, one that I consider balanced with an eye to safeguarding our youth. Kind of like the line “Some words when spoken/Can’t be taken back” some actions have lasting, even permanent effects that aren’t desirable.
As for how the other parties tolerate dissent from within their own ranks, I gave a clear, documented case from our Liberal Party.
Same for a woman’s right to choose. An individual right to choose but because conservatives disagree, screw your individual rights and freedoms. How do you square those?
Canada’s conservatives seem very aligned with COOTWHism and the current US repub party on those two issues at least.
Reread my personal views separately from a political party’s stance, not an answer you extracted by moving the goalposts.
Or perhaps I should ask your views? Is it carte blanche? What about the thread topic of trans people in women’s sports?
Regarding the thread topic, I’m undecided as I tend to think it’s such a small percentage and is used as a wedge to drive the narrative that any trans care shouldn’t be allowed, much like the abortion issue. But I can understand the concern.
If I remember correctly, there was a US male high school student in the 1980s who sued to play on the girls field hockey team because they didn’t offer a male field hockey team. He won and played. And society still exists.
So if I get pissy because overall you’re misrepresenting me and my views, then I suspect you accomplished your goal.
I wouldn’t deny youth treatment, I don’t know where you got that idea. I’m incredibly hesitant about irreversible changes to youths whose brains haven’t completely developed. Forgive my caution.
As I said, outside of sports I’ll hold pretty much every door open for trans people and I even admire them for embracing their authenticity.
Too much nuance I guess.
I still think being overly protective of less than one percent is misguided. This we disagree on.
Maybe sports teams should be based on height, weight, strength and speed versus solely gender based? I don’t know.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Halifax2TheMax said:Tim Simmons said:No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in.
Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.
Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?
conservatives themselves rejected trumpism on the whole. They didn't vote in Shark Tank as their party leader.
then the nation rejected PP's isolationist, anti-immigration agenda. Again, I never once said all conservatives are MAGA. Stop trying to prove such a stupid point. I have always maintained that generalizations are for the ignorant. If I say "conservatives", it should be obvious to the biggest dolt in the room I don't mean 100% of that entire group. How many times must I explain this to you?
we were only "canada first" (which isn't even accurate, we were more "friends first" as we still have several allies that we're reaching out to to fill the void) in reaction to the orange menace.
I am fully behind any movement that is inclusive, and fully behind leaving behind those that reject it. I know you have issues with the tolerance paradox, but that's your problem.
we've been over JT's metoo moment a thousand times. If you have to keep bringing up the same old recycled garbage to make your point, then maybe revisit your point.0 -
gimmesometruth27 said:there are more photos of trump with epstein then there are trans athletes playing sports in the ncaa. this is an interesting hill to die on.
🍊 🤡 💩 and his brainwashed cultists will be against it and continue to parrot the bs, conspiracy theories, dogwhistles, and lies in hopes of owning the libs.0 -
Bentleyspop said:gimmesometruth27 said:there are more photos of trump with epstein then there are trans athletes playing sports in the ncaa. this is an interesting hill to die on.
🍊 🤡 💩 and his brainwashed cultists will be against it and continue to parrot the bs, conspiracy theories, dogwhistles, and lies in hopes of owning the libs."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Halifax2TheMax said:Tim Simmons said:No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in.
Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.
Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?
conservatives themselves rejected trumpism on the whole. They didn't vote in Shark Tank as their party leader.
then the nation rejected PP's isolationist, anti-immigration agenda. Again, I never once said all conservatives are MAGA. Stop trying to prove such a stupid point. I have always maintained that generalizations are for the ignorant. If I say "conservatives", it should be obvious to the biggest dolt in the room I don't mean 100% of that entire group. How many times must I explain this to you?
we were only "canada first" (which isn't even accurate, we were more "friends first" as we still have several allies that we're reaching out to to fill the void) in reaction to the orange menace.
I am fully behind any movement that is inclusive, and fully behind leaving behind those that reject it. I know you have issues with the tolerance paradox, but that's your problem.
we've been over JT's metoo moment a thousand times. If you have to keep bringing up the same old recycled garbage to make your point, then maybe revisit your point.0 -
DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Halifax2TheMax said:Tim Simmons said:No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in.
Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.
Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?
conservatives themselves rejected trumpism on the whole. They didn't vote in Shark Tank as their party leader.
then the nation rejected PP's isolationist, anti-immigration agenda. Again, I never once said all conservatives are MAGA. Stop trying to prove such a stupid point. I have always maintained that generalizations are for the ignorant. If I say "conservatives", it should be obvious to the biggest dolt in the room I don't mean 100% of that entire group. How many times must I explain this to you?
we were only "canada first" (which isn't even accurate, we were more "friends first" as we still have several allies that we're reaching out to to fill the void) in reaction to the orange menace.
I am fully behind any movement that is inclusive, and fully behind leaving behind those that reject it. I know you have issues with the tolerance paradox, but that's your problem.
we've been over JT's metoo moment a thousand times. If you have to keep bringing up the same old recycled garbage to make your point, then maybe revisit your point.
I'm responding to your post responding to mine, because you seem to have this pattern of misrepresenting my points. You don't like it? Don't reply to/reference me. Easy peasy.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Halifax2TheMax said:Tim Simmons said:No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in.
Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.
Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?
conservatives themselves rejected trumpism on the whole. They didn't vote in Shark Tank as their party leader.
then the nation rejected PP's isolationist, anti-immigration agenda. Again, I never once said all conservatives are MAGA. Stop trying to prove such a stupid point. I have always maintained that generalizations are for the ignorant. If I say "conservatives", it should be obvious to the biggest dolt in the room I don't mean 100% of that entire group. How many times must I explain this to you?
we were only "canada first" (which isn't even accurate, we were more "friends first" as we still have several allies that we're reaching out to to fill the void) in reaction to the orange menace.
I am fully behind any movement that is inclusive, and fully behind leaving behind those that reject it. I know you have issues with the tolerance paradox, but that's your problem.
we've been over JT's metoo moment a thousand times. If you have to keep bringing up the same old recycled garbage to make your point, then maybe revisit your point.
I'm responding to your post responding to mine, because you seem to have this pattern of misrepresenting my points. You don't like it? Don't reply to/reference me. Easy peasy.
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DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:DarthMaeglin said:HughFreakingDillon said:Halifax2TheMax said:Tim Simmons said:No one is calling you stupid, chill out. If my criticism didn't check boxes for you then clearly I’m not lumping you in there. I guess I just don’t get leaping to the defense of capital C Conservatism, when a solid portion of that body has rancid beliefs that you didn’t believe in.
Canada Strong? Elbows Up? Sounds an awful lot like Canada First.
Draw me a clear, straight line between Canadian Conservatives and trumpism, please, but bear in mind the Canadian Liberals tendency to employ the same tactics, as well as the clear similarities of personality and behaviours between Trump and Trudeau II. Remember when we all had to learn a lesson when Justin got found out as a groper at the height of #metoo? How the woman “experienced the interaction differently “?
conservatives themselves rejected trumpism on the whole. They didn't vote in Shark Tank as their party leader.
then the nation rejected PP's isolationist, anti-immigration agenda. Again, I never once said all conservatives are MAGA. Stop trying to prove such a stupid point. I have always maintained that generalizations are for the ignorant. If I say "conservatives", it should be obvious to the biggest dolt in the room I don't mean 100% of that entire group. How many times must I explain this to you?
we were only "canada first" (which isn't even accurate, we were more "friends first" as we still have several allies that we're reaching out to to fill the void) in reaction to the orange menace.
I am fully behind any movement that is inclusive, and fully behind leaving behind those that reject it. I know you have issues with the tolerance paradox, but that's your problem.
we've been over JT's metoo moment a thousand times. If you have to keep bringing up the same old recycled garbage to make your point, then maybe revisit your point.
I'm responding to your post responding to mine, because you seem to have this pattern of misrepresenting my points. You don't like it? Don't reply to/reference me. Easy peasy.
look, I don't post disinformation. that's just a blatant fucking lie. Am I wrong? Of course. But I don't post disinformation. Occasionally nor regularly.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trans-volleyball-player-incident-unleashes-parade-angry-parents-illinois-school-board-meeting
Can you believe this stuff? A high school girl didn't make the cut for the girls' volleyball team - but a boy did!0 -
shecky said:
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/trans-volleyball-player-incident-unleashes-parade-angry-parents-illinois-school-board-meeting
Can you believe this stuff? A high school girl didn't make the cut for the girls' volleyball team - but a boy did!By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Its easier to report on this than deal with real issues. Or educating people on real issues.
The stuff that cultivates visceral, non-skin in the game reactions is easier content to manufacture.
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