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  • 23scidoo
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,831
    static111 said:
    Guess he’s anti-Semitic as well.

    Israeli author David Grossman says his country is committing genocide in Gaza

    Writer says for many years he has refused to use word but now must ‘with immense pain and with a broken heart’

    The award-winning Israeli author David Grossman has described his country’s campaign in Gaza as a genocide and said he now “can’t help” but use the term.

    “I ask myself: how did we get here?” the celebrated writer and peace activist told the Italian daily La Repubblica in an interview published on Friday.

    “How did we come to be accused of genocide? Just uttering that word – ‘genocide’ – in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, that alone, the fact that this association can even be made, should be enough to tell us that something very wrong is happening to us.”

    Grossman said that for many years he had refused to use the term. “But now I can’t help myself – not after what I’ve read in the papers, not after the images I’ve seen, not after speaking with people who’ve been there. This word is an avalanche: once you say it, it just gets bigger, like an avalanche. And it adds even more destruction and suffering,” he said.

    Grossman’s comments come days after two major Israeli rights groups said Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, amid growing global alarm over starvation in the besieged territory.

    The author, who has long been a critic of the Israeli government, told La Repubblica he was using the word “with immense pain and with a broken heart”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/01/david-grossman-israel-committing-genocide-gaza


    This only proves ultra leftists that can’t win important elections also exist in Israel. I actually agree with Mr Grossman with a two state solution. Unfortunately the big H has not offered that to end this war. And by invading , Hamas made Netanyahu more popular with voters.

    The AMT Hamas Propaganda Machine rolls on.
    So is anything counter to the Israel propaganda machine Hamas propaganda?  This is so ridiculous.  It's like the ol GWB quote you're either with us or with the terrorists.  Last I checked the center was where there was a grey area where compromises and solutions could be reached.  Hamas and Israel both seem to see their side of the conflict through an extremist black and white lens.  Both sides can be wrong.  Hamas can be condemned at the same time as Israel. 

    I’m saying I agree with a two state solution. Is that the common AMT comment, or are those here more aligned with Hamas/PLO  propaganda, using the g word, which has been palestinian propaganda for 70 years while their population grew.
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,065
    static111 said:
    Guess he’s anti-Semitic as well.

    Israeli author David Grossman says his country is committing genocide in Gaza

    Writer says for many years he has refused to use word but now must ‘with immense pain and with a broken heart’

    The award-winning Israeli author David Grossman has described his country’s campaign in Gaza as a genocide and said he now “can’t help” but use the term.

    “I ask myself: how did we get here?” the celebrated writer and peace activist told the Italian daily La Repubblica in an interview published on Friday.

    “How did we come to be accused of genocide? Just uttering that word – ‘genocide’ – in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, that alone, the fact that this association can even be made, should be enough to tell us that something very wrong is happening to us.”

    Grossman said that for many years he had refused to use the term. “But now I can’t help myself – not after what I’ve read in the papers, not after the images I’ve seen, not after speaking with people who’ve been there. This word is an avalanche: once you say it, it just gets bigger, like an avalanche. And it adds even more destruction and suffering,” he said.

    Grossman’s comments come days after two major Israeli rights groups said Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, amid growing global alarm over starvation in the besieged territory.

    The author, who has long been a critic of the Israeli government, told La Repubblica he was using the word “with immense pain and with a broken heart”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/01/david-grossman-israel-committing-genocide-gaza


    This only proves ultra leftists that can’t win important elections also exist in Israel. I actually agree with Mr Grossman with a two state solution. Unfortunately the big H has not offered that to end this war. And by invading , Hamas made Netanyahu more popular with voters.

    The AMT Hamas Propaganda Machine rolls on.
    So is anything counter to the Israel propaganda machine Hamas propaganda?  This is so ridiculous.  It's like the ol GWB quote you're either with us or with the terrorists.  Last I checked the center was where there was a grey area where compromises and solutions could be reached.  Hamas and Israel both seem to see their side of the conflict through an extremist black and white lens.  Both sides can be wrong.  Hamas can be condemned at the same time as Israel. 

    I’m saying I agree with a two state solution. Is that the common AMT comment, or are those here more aligned with Hamas/PLO  propaganda, using the g word, which has been palestinian propaganda for 70 years while their population grew.
    I think most people on the board based on comments I have seen agree with a two state solution and recognize that both the State of Israel and Hamas are significant road blocks to such a solution.  I also think it is not radical to suggest that starving and killing people, taking their land and attempting to erase their history and culture is akin to if not actual genocide. If this were any state other than Israel at the helm of the current military operations against civilians in Gaza there would be far less hesitancy to call a thing what it is.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,831
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Guess he’s anti-Semitic as well.

    Israeli author David Grossman says his country is committing genocide in Gaza

    Writer says for many years he has refused to use word but now must ‘with immense pain and with a broken heart’

    The award-winning Israeli author David Grossman has described his country’s campaign in Gaza as a genocide and said he now “can’t help” but use the term.

    “I ask myself: how did we get here?” the celebrated writer and peace activist told the Italian daily La Repubblica in an interview published on Friday.

    “How did we come to be accused of genocide? Just uttering that word – ‘genocide’ – in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, that alone, the fact that this association can even be made, should be enough to tell us that something very wrong is happening to us.”

    Grossman said that for many years he had refused to use the term. “But now I can’t help myself – not after what I’ve read in the papers, not after the images I’ve seen, not after speaking with people who’ve been there. This word is an avalanche: once you say it, it just gets bigger, like an avalanche. And it adds even more destruction and suffering,” he said.

    Grossman’s comments come days after two major Israeli rights groups said Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, amid growing global alarm over starvation in the besieged territory.

    The author, who has long been a critic of the Israeli government, told La Repubblica he was using the word “with immense pain and with a broken heart”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/01/david-grossman-israel-committing-genocide-gaza


    This only proves ultra leftists that can’t win important elections also exist in Israel. I actually agree with Mr Grossman with a two state solution. Unfortunately the big H has not offered that to end this war. And by invading , Hamas made Netanyahu more popular with voters.

    The AMT Hamas Propaganda Machine rolls on.
    So is anything counter to the Israel propaganda machine Hamas propaganda?  This is so ridiculous.  It's like the ol GWB quote you're either with us or with the terrorists.  Last I checked the center was where there was a grey area where compromises and solutions could be reached.  Hamas and Israel both seem to see their side of the conflict through an extremist black and white lens.  Both sides can be wrong.  Hamas can be condemned at the same time as Israel. 

    I’m saying I agree with a two state solution. Is that the common AMT comment, or are those here more aligned with Hamas/PLO  propaganda, using the g word, which has been palestinian propaganda for 70 years while their population grew.
    I think most people on the board based on comments I have seen agree with a two state solution and recognize that both the State of Israel and Hamas are significant road blocks to such a solution.  I also think it is not radical to suggest that starving and killing people, taking their land and attempting to erase their history and culture is akin to if not actual genocide. If this were any state other than Israel at the helm of the current military operations against civilians in Gaza there would be far less hesitancy to call a thing what it is.

    How do you end a war with a country that refuses to negotiate?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,021
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Guess he’s anti-Semitic as well.

    Israeli author David Grossman says his country is committing genocide in Gaza

    Writer says for many years he has refused to use word but now must ‘with immense pain and with a broken heart’

    The award-winning Israeli author David Grossman has described his country’s campaign in Gaza as a genocide and said he now “can’t help” but use the term.

    “I ask myself: how did we get here?” the celebrated writer and peace activist told the Italian daily La Repubblica in an interview published on Friday.

    “How did we come to be accused of genocide? Just uttering that word – ‘genocide’ – in reference to Israel, to the Jewish people, that alone, the fact that this association can even be made, should be enough to tell us that something very wrong is happening to us.”

    Grossman said that for many years he had refused to use the term. “But now I can’t help myself – not after what I’ve read in the papers, not after the images I’ve seen, not after speaking with people who’ve been there. This word is an avalanche: once you say it, it just gets bigger, like an avalanche. And it adds even more destruction and suffering,” he said.

    Grossman’s comments come days after two major Israeli rights groups said Israel was committing genocide in Gaza, amid growing global alarm over starvation in the besieged territory.

    The author, who has long been a critic of the Israeli government, told La Repubblica he was using the word “with immense pain and with a broken heart”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/01/david-grossman-israel-committing-genocide-gaza


    This only proves ultra leftists that can’t win important elections also exist in Israel. I actually agree with Mr Grossman with a two state solution. Unfortunately the big H has not offered that to end this war. And by invading , Hamas made Netanyahu more popular with voters.

    The AMT Hamas Propaganda Machine rolls on.
    So is anything counter to the Israel propaganda machine Hamas propaganda?  This is so ridiculous.  It's like the ol GWB quote you're either with us or with the terrorists.  Last I checked the center was where there was a grey area where compromises and solutions could be reached.  Hamas and Israel both seem to see their side of the conflict through an extremist black and white lens.  Both sides can be wrong.  Hamas can be condemned at the same time as Israel. 

    I’m saying I agree with a two state solution. Is that the common AMT comment, or are those here more aligned with Hamas/PLO  propaganda, using the g word, which has been palestinian propaganda for 70 years while their population grew.
    I think most people on the board based on comments I have seen agree with a two state solution and recognize that both the State of Israel and Hamas are significant road blocks to such a solution.  I also think it is not radical to suggest that starving and killing people, taking their land and attempting to erase their history and culture is akin to if not actual genocide. If this were any state other than Israel at the helm of the current military operations against civilians in Gaza there would be far less hesitancy to call a thing what it is.

    How do you end a war with a country that refuses to negotiate?
    You cut off their $4B+ a year subsidy and tell Israel to put their big boy pants on and make peace with their neighbours and allow a two state solution, inclusive of right of return.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,021
    I guess they’re antisemitic and lack the knowledge of the history of the Jewish people and the perpetual genocide they’ve suffered, eh?

    More than 600 former Israeli security chiefs urge Trump to end Gaza war

    The group’s letter says the Israeli army has already achieved its objectives and the release of Israeli captives can be achieved only through a deal.

    More than 600 former Israeli security chiefs have urged United States President Donald Trump to bring an end to Israel’s war on Gaza as deaths of dozens of Palestinians from Israeli-induced starvation have caused global outrage.

    The appeal was made in a letter sent to Trump on Sunday. Its signatories include former Mossad chief Tamir Pardo, former Shin Bet chief Ami Ayalon and former deputy Israeli army chief Matan Vilnai. They called for pressure on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to end the nearly two-year conflict, which has devastated Gaza.

    The letter was sent as a furore grows over videos released by Palestinian groups showing two emaciated Israeli captives held in Gaza, where more than two million Palestinians are struggling to survive the starvation crisis.

    “Everything that could be achieved by force has been achieved. The hostages cannot wait any longer,” the Commanders for Israel’s Security (CIS) group said in a post on X, where it shared the letter.

    The letter said the Israeli army has achieved two of its three objectives by force, “dismantling Hamas’ military formations and governance”, but the third, bringing back all Israeli captives, can “only be achieved through a deal”.

    “Stop the Gaza War! On behalf of CIS, Israel’s largest group of former [military] generals and Mossad, Shin Bet, Police, and Diplomatic Corps equivalents, we urge you to end the Gaza war,” the letter read.

    “You did it in Lebanon. Time to do it in Gaza as well,” it added.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/4/over-600-former-israeli-security-chiefs-urge-trump-to-end-gaza-war

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Guess he also doesn’t know of the perpetual genocide of the Jewish people, eh?

    https://www.aljazeera.com/#flips-6376538497112
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