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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,221
    After the largest dam removal in US history, Indigenous youth paddled 300 miles down the restored Klamath River. The journey, led by Paddle Tribal Waters, reconnected Native communities to ancestral waters and honored decades of tribal activism. Salmon have already begun returning, signaling rapid ecological recovery and renewed cultural ties.

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  • brianlux
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    mickeyrat said:
    After the largest dam removal in US history, Indigenous youth paddled 300 miles down the restored Klamath River. The journey, led by Paddle Tribal Waters, reconnected Native communities to ancestral waters and honored decades of tribal activism. Salmon have already begun returning, signaling rapid ecological recovery and renewed cultural ties.

    Read more: https://cnn.it/44YTqBr

    That's such a great story.  
    Many years ago, my brother lived outside one of the reservation areas up there so we heard a fair amount about the indigenous peoples' struggles to have the river freed of that dam and to have more control of the area restored to the tribal peoples.  
    Little victories that make a huge difference for some lives.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    I didn't really know where to place this, so i picked this thread... For me, I just always basically figured this was the case, and between all other living things in earth (fwiw, I'm an atheist). 

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • brianlux
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    PJ_Soul said:
    I didn't really know where to place this, so i picked this thread... For me, I just always basically figured this was the case, and between all other living things in earth (fwiw, I'm an atheist). 


    Fascinating, thanks for sharing this!

    Mother nature is so wise and amazing.  How is it that humans, with our big brains, could have fallen so far (at risk of our own peril) from that wisdom?  
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,132
    A data center the size of manhattan? Well, that should bode well for the planet. Someone ask AI in which year will planet earth become uninhabitable, please? Anyone know any AI guys or gals? Anyone?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/16/zuckerberg-meta-data-center-ai-manhattan
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A data center the size of manhattan? Well, that should bode well for the planet. Someone ask AI in which year will planet earth become uninhabitable, please? Anyone know any AI guys or gals? Anyone?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/16/zuckerberg-meta-data-center-ai-manhattan

    I don't see what the problem here is, bud.  A data center the size of Manhattan would only use use about 750 quadrillion watts of power per hour and most likely would not heat the planet up more the 5 degrees Celsius.   No biggie.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,910
    Greeeaaaat. 

    Trump admin proposes to revoke EPA’s ability to make rules about climate pollution

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/29/climate/trump-epa-endangerment-finding

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,399
    edited July 29
    brianlux said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    A data center the size of manhattan? Well, that should bode well for the planet. Someone ask AI in which year will planet earth become uninhabitable, please? Anyone know any AI guys or gals? Anyone?

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jul/16/zuckerberg-meta-data-center-ai-manhattan

    I don't see what the problem here is, bud.  A data center the size of Manhattan would only use use about 750 quadrillion watts of power per hour and most likely would not heat the planet up more the 5 degrees Celsius.   No biggie.

    We can do this, baby!

    I tried getting a correlations to AI but AI wouldn’t bite, best reply…this may be before Jeff retires, so get ready…

    “According to some estimates, Earth could become uninhabitable for humans within the next 1.75 billion years due to the sun's increasing brightness. However, other sources say the timeframe could be closer to 1.1-1.2 billion years. Some models even suggest that Earth could become uninhabitable within the current century due to climate change. These shorter timeframes are based on the impacts of climate change on human survival, rather than the sun's evolution. Ultimately, the exact date when Earth becomes uninhabitable is uncertain and depends on various factors.”


    ok, tried pollution, you win…


    “While the Earth isn't expected to become completely uninhabitable due to pollution in the near future, certain regions could become significantly less hospitable for human populations within the next few decades due to climate change impacts. Reports indicate that we have a limited window of time, potentially until 2040, to limit global warming and avoid irreversible damage. 



  • brianlux
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Greeeaaaat. 

    Trump admin proposes to revoke EPA’s ability to make rules about climate pollution

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/29/climate/trump-epa-endangerment-finding


    Fits perfectly with his m.o.:  destroy and create havoc.  He is tearing down as many environmental safeguards as possible, not to mention putting a madman in change of health.  Rat Fink Kennedy is ridding the agency he rules over of people who work to promote preventative medicine because he finds those people to be too "woke".  I guess we should all start taking our daily chlorine cocktails.  
    His entire agenda is based on destroying democracy, ruining lives, and ruining the planet as much as possible.  I'd say that qualifies as a good definition for "evil".  
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  • mickeyrat
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    BP has made its largest oil and natural gas discovery in 25 years off the coast of Brazil, in a potential big boost for the British company following its strategic shift away from renewable energy to refocus on fossil fuels.

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Crazy.

    https://alaskapublic.org/news/environment/2025-08-12/pure-chaos-out-of-nowhere-mega-landslide-and-tsunami-rip-through-tracy-arm-south-of-juneau
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  • mickeyrat
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    In 2020, we mapped out the danger zones that will close in on Americans over the next 30 years — combining climate data with wildfire projections by US Forest Service researchers.

    See what changes are in store for your county: https://propub.li/47BXyJp
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  • mickeyrat
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    Meteorologist Noah Bergren adbook post

    LORD... this thing refuses to stop intensifying. I mean, meteorologically WOW. Hurricane Melissa now has 175 MPH sustained winds with wind gusts to 215 MPH. It probably will strengthen more overnight. There will be a path near the center of tornado like damage and near total destruction of everything in its path in the eyewall. Complete structure failure is possible with extreme roof damage along the path. Towns and communities in the western side of the island may be wiped out or left cutoff to outside access for extended time.

    The meteorological limit of max realistic intensity is nearing. There is a parameter for it, MPI (max potential intensity) - which is merely a meteorological formula to give a rough estimate of the strongest storm the Earth's atmosphere can produce at a given time. That number currently is around 184 MPH sustained winds. What is also remarkable, and not drama or a stretch of the truth... is the fact this hurricane has yet to start doing ERC (eyewall replacement cycles) -- this is very rare how long it is maintaining its initial eye without doing a replacement cycle yet.

    This will be a life changing storm for many on the island. Praying for their safety Tuesday in the storm. Many large landslides may occur too especially in the central and western side of the island.

    If you are reading this in central or western Jamaica, you are going to endure something you may never see again. Going outside during the storm, especially the eye, could be deadly. Shelter as if this is a 12 hour long tornado. Storm surge forecast is "up to 13 feet" for the south side of the island, but I don't think Kingston will see it that bad. Kingston while will still get impacted, will NOT get the extreme impacts the western side of the island will. Wind gusts will likely remain below 90 MPH in the Kingston area.

    Expecting landfall late Tuesday morning, Oct. 28.
    ‣ This will be the first Category 5 hurricane to ever landfall in Jamaica, since we have records for in 1850
    ‣ Only 1 other Category 4 hit the island, Gilbert in 1988
    ‣ This is now, as of this advisory the 9th strongest hurricane in the Atlantic Ocean's recorded history, by pressure

    This will be a devastating natural disaster for Jamaica. A Hurricane Andrew kind of wind event, with pockets of a Hurricane Helene kind of flood event in the mountainous terrain.

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  • brianlux
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    edited October 28
    Remember when change climate deniers were a regular thing here.  Changed their minds?  Ahhhhhh, too late.  Adaptation is going to be a challenge for millions.  
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  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,368
    brianlux said:
    Remember when climate deniers were a regular thing here.  Changed their minds?  Ahhhhhh, too late.  Adaptation is going to be a challenge for millions.  
    I would it call it being a denier. I would call it not falling for the culture of fear that Co2 is a bad thing. The earth has never been greener. Recycling is a lie.  Wind mills are garbage especially the ocean ones that kill wild life especially whales. Hurricanes are not that more frequent. Coral reefs are getting better and remind us of nature’s tenacity. There's a lot of exaggerated fears about climate.  Follow the money everyone....follow the money. 
  • shadowcast
    shadowcast Posts: 2,368
    mickeyrat said:
    In 2020, we mapped out the danger zones that will close in on Americans over the next 30 years — combining climate data with wildfire projections by US Forest Service researchers.

    See what changes are in store for your county: https://propub.li/47BXyJp
    FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR...FEAR FEAR FEAR. Everything you post is gloom and doom..Get offline and touch grass. Remember the internet is not real life. 
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,265
    shadowcast said:
    brianlux said:
    Remember when climate deniers were a regular thing here.  Changed their minds?  Ahhhhhh, too late.  Adaptation is going to be a challenge for millions.  
    I would it call it being a denier. I would call it not falling for the culture of fear that Co2 is a bad thing. The earth has never been greener. Recycling is a lie.  Wind mills are garbage especially the ocean ones that kill wild life especially whales. Hurricanes are not that more frequent. Coral reefs are getting better and remind us of nature’s tenacity. There's a lot of exaggerated fears about climate.  Follow the money everyone....follow the money. 
    Could it be that things have improved because of the push for greening and ecological behaviors to be improved in the past 40 years?
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,265
    The famously profitable Recycling and Green Energy industries btw.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    shadowcast said:
    brianlux said:
    Remember when climate deniers were a regular thing here.  Changed their minds?  Ahhhhhh, too late.  Adaptation is going to be a challenge for millions.  
    I would it call it being a denier. I would call it not falling for the culture of fear that Co2 is a bad thing. The earth has never been greener. Recycling is a lie.  Wind mills are garbage especially the ocean ones that kill wild life especially whales. Hurricanes are not that more frequent. Coral reefs are getting better and remind us of nature’s tenacity. There's a lot of exaggerated fears about climate.  Follow the money everyone....follow the money. 

     * The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

    Care to share any links to articles, reporting, scientific research that backs your claims that I bolded? Yea, follow the money all right, right from Exxon, BP, big oil and gas and coal to the halls of Congress.

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  • brianlux
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    Repeat after me, "everything is fine, everything is fine, everything is fine..."

    Well, seeing we still have climate change deniers is actually no surprise to me.  Not a'tall.  Ho hum.
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