Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
I firmly believe that the original DM tour plan was a 2 year cycle with a 2nd Euro leg this summer hitting the usual places they missed out originally. I also suspect that they had originally planned some Canadian and possibly even South American shows this year, but something changed with Matt last year and by the spring run of US shows this year they had revised the touring plans and cut the DM tour shorter than originally planned. Although we can all be thankful that they decided to play some final shows together.
It wasn't just at Pittsburgh, from Raleigh onwards Ed kept talking about it being the end of an era and a long goodbye in a way he's never previously done at the end of album tours.
There were quite a few rumors from reliable sources that pointed to additional legs, residencies, and/or special events. At the time it was odd how nothing seemed to be coming to fruition. Then people reported Ed saying from the stage it would be another year or two. The whole thing felt weird but seems to make sense now.
I'll try to keep the scolds at bay with the No One Owes Us Anything caveat but I'm certainly interested to hear more about what went into the decision.
We're on the same page here... this hiatus never made sense considering both how much time they lost to Covid, and also the momentum they gained from Dark Matter.... the energy and fun the band was having playing these songs was palpable. A 1-2 year break at this point wasn't something I could wrap my brain around, but it makes sense now.
& I forgot about the rumored dates that never panned out; that lends credibility to them knowing about Matt's plans at least in late 2024, if not earlier.
We'll know in the coming months if this was an amicable parting (which I think it was)... if it was, they'll open up and discuss it... if it wasn't they'll go the Dave A route and say very little about it.
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
I firmly believe that the original DM tour plan was a 2 year cycle with a 2nd Euro leg this summer hitting the usual places they missed out originally. I also suspect that they had originally planned some Canadian and possibly even South American shows this year, but something changed with Matt last year and by the spring run of US shows this year they had revised the touring plans and cut the DM tour shorter than originally planned. Although we can all be thankful that they decided to play some final shows together.
It wasn't just at Pittsburgh, from Raleigh onwards Ed kept talking about it being the end of an era and a long goodbye in a way he's never previously done at the end of album tours.
There were quite a few rumors from reliable sources that pointed to additional legs, residencies, and/or special events. At the time it was odd how nothing seemed to be coming to fruition. Then people reported Ed saying from the stage it would be another year or two. The whole thing felt weird but seems to make sense now.
I'll try to keep the scolds at bay with the No One Owes Us Anything caveat but I'm certainly interested to hear more about what went into the decision.
We're on the same page here... this hiatus never made sense considering both how much time they lost to Covid, and also the momentum they gained from Dark Matter.... the energy and fun the band was having playing these songs was palpable. A 1-2 year break at this point wasn't something I could wrap my brain around, but it makes sense now.
& I forgot about the rumored dates that never panned out; that lends credibility to them knowing about Matt's plans at least in late 2024, if not earlier.
We'll know in the coming months if this was an amicable parting (which I think it was)... if it was, they'll open up and discuss it... if it wasn't they'll go the Dave A route and say very little about it.
If Matt announces his run for a House seat in a Republican primary we'll know what's up lol
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
I firmly believe that the original DM tour plan was a 2 year cycle with a 2nd Euro leg this summer hitting the usual places they missed out originally. I also suspect that they had originally planned some Canadian and possibly even South American shows this year, but something changed with Matt last year and by the spring run of US shows this year they had revised the touring plans and cut the DM tour shorter than originally planned. Although we can all be thankful that they decided to play some final shows together.
It wasn't just at Pittsburgh, from Raleigh onwards Ed kept talking about it being the end of an era and a long goodbye in a way he's never previously done at the end of album tours.
There were quite a few rumors from reliable sources that pointed to additional legs, residencies, and/or special events. At the time it was odd how nothing seemed to be coming to fruition. Then people reported Ed saying from the stage it would be another year or two. The whole thing felt weird but seems to make sense now.
I'll try to keep the scolds at bay with the No One Owes Us Anything caveat but I'm certainly interested to hear more about what went into the decision.
We're on the same page here... this hiatus never made sense considering both how much time they lost to Covid, and also the momentum they gained from Dark Matter.... the energy and fun the band was having playing these songs was palpable. A 1-2 year break at this point wasn't something I could wrap my brain around, but it makes sense now.
& I forgot about the rumored dates that never panned out; that lends credibility to them knowing about Matt's plans at least in late 2024, if not earlier.
We'll know in the coming months if this was an amicable parting (which I think it was)... if it was, they'll open up and discuss it... if it wasn't they'll go the Dave A route and say very little about it.
If Matt announces his run for a House seat in a Republican primary we'll know what's up lol
Solving the world's problems one drum fill at a time.
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
I firmly believe that the original DM tour plan was a 2 year cycle with a 2nd Euro leg this summer hitting the usual places they missed out originally. I also suspect that they had originally planned some Canadian and possibly even South American shows this year, but something changed with Matt last year and by the spring run of US shows this year they had revised the touring plans and cut the DM tour shorter than originally planned. Although we can all be thankful that they decided to play some final shows together.
It wasn't just at Pittsburgh, from Raleigh onwards Ed kept talking about it being the end of an era and a long goodbye in a way he's never previously done at the end of album tours.
There were quite a few rumors from reliable sources that pointed to additional legs, residencies, and/or special events. At the time it was odd how nothing seemed to be coming to fruition. Then people reported Ed saying from the stage it would be another year or two. The whole thing felt weird but seems to make sense now.
I'll try to keep the scolds at bay with the No One Owes Us Anything caveat but I'm certainly interested to hear more about what went into the decision.
Yes the no one owes us contingent (NOOUA) is very strong in this fan base likely due to the fact PJ are usually very secretive about stuff that many of us talk openly about personally . I am a couple years younger than Matt, and I have no issue discussing that I am desperate to retire, been thru some medical stuff that is difficult for anyone not living thru it to understand.
But Matt saying zilch about what led to this massive announcement only makes us fear something medically. When I was younger I was very much a part of the Thou Shalt Never Discuss my health in public, but after needing a one in ten million procedure last year, with likely two years of physio to recover, I’m no longer shy about it at all. As I just mentioned generalities to strangers.
Hopefully those of us worrying, it is needless. On the other side was the Rush way of ending. Neil made absolutely no secret he wanted out for years, and Geddy/Al no secret they completely disagreed,which made it a little weird at the end for them. Then Neil got screwed with cancer six months after he retired :(
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
The idea that the UK is almost certainly going to miss out on Dark Matter is wild. Their best album in 2 decades and by the time they swing back into town PJ will probably be touring a new album so UK audiences will be lucky to get one or two DM tracks at best. It's painful.
Yes the no one owes us contingent (NOOUA) is very strong in this fan base likely due to the fact PJ are usually very secretive about stuff that many of us talk openly about personally . I am a couple years younger than Matt, and I have no issue discussing that I am desperate to retire, been thru some medical stuff that is difficult for anyone not living thru it to understand.
But Matt saying zilch about what led to this massive announcement only makes us fear something medically. When I was younger I was very much a part of the Thou Shalt Never Discuss my health in public, but after needing a one in ten million procedure last year, with likely two years of physio to recover, I’m no longer shy about it at all. As I just mentioned generalities to strangers.
Hopefully those of us worrying, it is needless. On the other side was the Rush way of ending. Neil made absolutely no secret he wanted out for years, and Geddy/Al no secret they completely disagreed,which made it a little weird at the end for them. Then Neil got screwed with cancer six months after he retired :(
He got hit pretty hard by Covid in 2022. Had a lighter stint in 2023. Apparently it wasn't just Ed being sick in Europe last year, so it could have been Matt, as well. Long Covid is a thing. But what do we know? Nothing. I can see them finding a new drummer soon-ish and continue touring end of next year. But I can also see them taking their time and Ed touring all of 2026 by himself.
Yes the no one owes us contingent (NOOUA) is very strong in this fan base likely due to the fact PJ are usually very secretive about stuff that many of us talk openly about personally . I am a couple years younger than Matt, and I have no issue discussing that I am desperate to retire, been thru some medical stuff that is difficult for anyone not living thru it to understand.
But Matt saying zilch about what led to this massive announcement only makes us fear something medically. When I was younger I was very much a part of the Thou Shalt Never Discuss my health in public, but after needing a one in ten million procedure last year, with likely two years of physio to recover, I’m no longer shy about it at all. As I just mentioned generalities to strangers.
Hopefully those of us worrying, it is needless. On the other side was the Rush way of ending. Neil made absolutely no secret he wanted out for years, and Geddy/Al no secret they completely disagreed,which made it a little weird at the end for them. Then Neil got screwed with cancer six months after he retired :(
He got hit pretty hard by Covid in 2022. Had a lighter stint in 2023. Apparently it wasn't just Ed being sick in Europe last year, so it could have been Matt, as well. Long Covid is a thing. But what do we know? Nothing. I can see them finding a new drummer soon-ish and continue touring end of next year. But I can also see them taking their time and Ed touring all of 2026 by himself.
matt was fine in europe. he was seen walking around london.
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& I forgot about the rumored dates that never panned out; that lends credibility to them knowing about Matt's plans at least in late 2024, if not earlier.
We'll know in the coming months if this was an amicable parting (which I think it was)... if it was, they'll open up and discuss it... if it wasn't they'll go the Dave A route and say very little about it.
He's got my vote.
Me too.
Hopefully those of us worrying, it is needless. On the other side was the Rush way of ending. Neil made absolutely no secret he wanted out for years, and Geddy/Al no secret they completely disagreed,which made it a little weird at the end for them. Then Neil got screwed with cancer six months after he retired :(
I can see them finding a new drummer soon-ish and continue touring end of next year. But I can also see them taking their time and Ed touring all of 2026 by himself.
2005 - Calgary, Winnipeg, Thunder Bay, Kitchener, Montréal, Ottawa
2006 - Verona, Torino, Pistoia
2007 - Munich
2013 - Calgary
2014 - Vienna
2016 - Quebec, Ottawa, Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Pemberton
2018 - Padova
2022 - Frankfurt, Krakow, Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
my money is on jeff also being sick
In the meantime, trying to get Paul McCartney tix for Vegas.
Nice!