Two nights at a 20k+ venue like the O2 is much easier to sell because a high proportion of the PJ faithful go both nights. One of the major drawbacks with one night at a 60k+ capacity venue is that it's far less desirable for travelling fans to commit to.
They would easily sell out the 02 for two nights when they return to the UK. Not a single doubt on that, and that is on the higher pricing end too.
I just hope they play a show or two in the north and return to Manchester and Leeds.
I'd happily pay double the price from last year. No question. I may be in the minority there but theres no shortage of people paying huge sums of money to see Oasis, and the likes of Taylor Swift. Naturally it all comes down to personal value - and I will always say that there isnt a band in the world I'd rather see than Pearl Jam
Yeah hopefully there will be two night shows in both London and a venue in the North. Though to be honest I would just be thankful to see them play over here again, no matter where the venue.
They would easily sell out the 02 for two nights when they return to the UK. Not a single doubt on that, and that is on the higher pricing end too.
I just hope they play a show or two in the north and return to Manchester and Leeds.
I'd happily pay double the price from last year. No question. I may be in the minority there but theres no shortage of people paying huge sums of money to see Oasis, and the likes of Taylor Swift. Naturally it all comes down to personal value - and I will always say that there isnt a band in the world I'd rather see than Pearl Jam
They would easily sell out the 02 for two nights when they return to the UK. Not a single doubt on that, and that is on the higher pricing end too.
I just hope they play a show or two in the north and return to Manchester and Leeds.
I'd happily pay double the price from last year. No question. I may be in the minority there but theres no shortage of people paying huge sums of money to see Oasis, and the likes of Taylor Swift. Naturally it all comes down to personal value - and I will always say that there isnt a band in the world I'd rather see than Pearl Jam
They would easily sell out the 02 for two nights when they return to the UK. Not a single doubt on that, and that is on the higher pricing end too.
I just hope they play a show or two in the north and return to Manchester and Leeds.
I'd happily pay double the price from last year. No question. I may be in the minority there but theres no shortage of people paying huge sums of money to see Oasis, and the likes of Taylor Swift. Naturally it all comes down to personal value - and I will always say that there isnt a band in the world I'd rather see than Pearl Jam
That's not far enough north 😀
Lol, I mean we can certainly go further North and across the border too
They would easily sell out the 02 for two nights when they return to the UK. Not a single doubt on that, and that is on the higher pricing end too.
I just hope they play a show or two in the north and return to Manchester and Leeds.
I'd happily pay double the price from last year. No question. I may be in the minority there but theres no shortage of people paying huge sums of money to see Oasis, and the likes of Taylor Swift. Naturally it all comes down to personal value - and I will always say that there isnt a band in the world I'd rather see than Pearl Jam
That's not far enough north 😀
Lol, I mean we can certainly go further North and across the border too
You definitely could tell Pittsburgh N2 that something was up. The vibe was not normal. And even though there are photos with champagne popping, it didn't really have the feel of celebration. In hindsight it is a bummer that they didn't break out all of Matt's songs, but... that would have required work.
What I don't fully understand is if that band wants to take a break, why does Matt need to publicly step away now? Even if he's made it known to the band that he was done after the tour, I don't see why it needs to be announced before the band is ready to replace him. Something isn't quite adding up. Maybe Pearl Jam Inc runs at a loss during dormant times and Matt wasn't interested in that cost? Not sure, just speculating.
I think it will take a huge offer from a festival to get this band back on the road. Maybe something billed as their "only show in 2026" could get them to move, but I'm afraid demand will have to swell a bit before they will be wowed by an offer.
I've been hoping for something different for a few years now, maybe a large theater residency where they work hard for us rehearsing, and perfecting the catalog, but play shorter shows and don't travel... feel like that might have worked for a drummer that has a family and might not be thrilled about long grueling shows...
I understand there has to be reluctance for the band to create a "I've seen it all" situation where we are all relatively satisfied but I'd really enjoy one last push before they just go full "fesitval nostalgia mode".
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
The idea that the UK is almost certainly going to miss out on Dark Matter is wild. Their best album in 2 decades and by the time they swing back into town PJ will probably be touring a new album so UK audiences will be lucky to get one or two DM tracks at best. It's painful.
In Pittsburgh, Ed alluded to the fact that they didnt know when they'd play again. At the time it seemed odd to hear, but of course in hindsight it makes sense.
I'll be curious to see who takes up the kit now that Matt is stepping down, but I would suspect the band will take their time to decide who that should be. There's a fun list of people to think of who it might be - but its got to be the right cocktail for the band.
I'd guess, the earliest we'll see the band play again is late 2026, like maybe Ohana 2026... but more likely 2027. Think about it. They'll need to find the right drummer, THEN the drummer has to learn all that material. And be able to switch songs up night after night. That'll all take time.
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Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
It was definitely a mistake to book a stadium show with those prices. The show only got cancelled two days before and it wasn't even close to selling out. It seemed wierd from start.
Even Barcelona night 2 a third of the arena was black out because tickets didn't sell.
I don't care about ticket prices and I had a blast at my 4 euro shows last year but mistakes were definitely made
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
The idea that the UK is almost certainly going to miss out on Dark Matter is wild. Their best album in 2 decades and by the time they swing back into town PJ will probably be touring a new album so UK audiences will be lucky to get one or two DM tracks at best. It's painful.
In Pittsburgh, Ed alluded to the fact that they didnt know when they'd play again. At the time it seemed odd to hear, but of course in hindsight it makes sense.
I'll be curious to see who takes up the kit now that Matt is stepping down, but I would suspect the band will take their time to decide who that should be. There's a fun list of people to think of who it might be - but its got to be the right cocktail for the band.
I'd guess, the earliest we'll see the band play again is late 2026, like maybe Ohana 2026... but more likely 2027. Think about it. They'll need to find the right drummer, THEN the drummer has to learn all that material. And be able to switch songs up night after night. That'll all take time.
There were all sorts of signs that the band knew, especially with the "end of an era" stuff Eddie said and the champagne.
Apparently Danny Clinch really focused HARD on Matt.
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US shows in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025. I won't be at all surprised if 2026 is a planned off year even without the Matt news.
Disappointed, yes, but not surprised.
That was the rumor following Pittsburgh that they'd take a year off, like they did in 2019. I really do think the people who were "feeling a one-off show in 2026" were highly optimistic.
Maybe, MAYBE we get leaks in late 2026 and that's if things move fast.
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In Pittsburgh, Ed alluded to the fact that they didnt know when they'd play again. At the time it seemed odd to hear, but of course in hindsight it makes sense.
I'll be curious to see who takes up the kit now that Matt is stepping down, but I would suspect the band will take their time to decide who that should be. There's a fun list of people to think of who it might be - but its got to be the right cocktail for the band.
I'd guess, the earliest we'll see the band play again is late 2026, like maybe Ohana 2026... but more likely 2027. Think about it. They'll need to find the right drummer, THEN the drummer has to learn all that material. And be able to switch songs up night after night. That'll all take time.
There were all sorts of signs that the band knew, especially with the "end of an era" stuff Eddie said and the champagne.
Apparently Danny Clinch really focused HARD on Matt.
I honestly thought the champagne was more celebration for Matt's Hall of Fame acceptance / end of DM tour. Makes more sense now. Also, I went back and listened to the "Comes Then Goes" tag. Those adhock lyrics could be interpreted a certain way as well with Matt news.
Randall's Island, NY 9/29/1996, Randall's Island, NY 6/8/1997 (Ed and Mike), Jones Beach, NY 8/23/2000, Los Angeles, CA 7/10/2006, Hartford, CT 6/27/2008, Los Angeles, CA 10/6/2009, San Diego, CA 11/21/2013, Los Angeles, CA 11/24/2013, MSG, NY 5/1/2016, Seattle, WA 8/10/2018, Los Angeles, CA 5/6/2022, Los Angeles, CA 5/7/2022, Camden, NJ 9/14/2022, St Paul 8/31/2023, St Paul 9/2/2023, Las Vegas 5/18/24, MSG NY 9/3/24, Philadelphia PA 9/9/24, Ohana CA 9/27/24, Atlanta, GA 4/29/25, Pittsburgh, PA 5/16/25, Pittsburgh, PA 5/18/25
What I don't fully understand is if that band wants to take a break, why does Matt need to publicly step away now? Even if he's made it known to the band that he was done after the tour, I don't see why it needs to be announced before the band is ready to replace him. Something isn't quite adding up. Maybe Pearl Jam Inc runs at a loss during dormant times and Matt wasn't interested in that cost? Not sure, just speculating.
That would be an awful mercenary thing to do. “Hey this member of the band for the last three decades is leaving us but don’t worry we got Drummer X to replace him.” Any new drummer is already going to be scrutinize when they are eventually named. Do it immediately and he would be crucified by fans. It’s disrespectful to Matt and the fans. Fans need time to process.
In Pittsburgh, Ed alluded to the fact that they didnt know when they'd play again. At the time it seemed odd to hear, but of course in hindsight it makes sense.
I'll be curious to see who takes up the kit now that Matt is stepping down, but I would suspect the band will take their time to decide who that should be. There's a fun list of people to think of who it might be - but its got to be the right cocktail for the band.
I'd guess, the earliest we'll see the band play again is late 2026, like maybe Ohana 2026... but more likely 2027. Think about it. They'll need to find the right drummer, THEN the drummer has to learn all that material. And be able to switch songs up night after night. That'll all take time.
There were all sorts of signs that the band knew, especially with the "end of an era" stuff Eddie said and the champagne.
Apparently Danny Clinch really focused HARD on Matt.
I honestly thought the champagne was more celebration for Matt's Hall of Fame acceptance / end of DM tour. Makes more sense now. Also, I went back and listened to the "Comes Then Goes" tag. Those adhock lyrics could be interpreted a certain way as well with Matt news.
They did champagne toasts to Matt’s induction at several shows (maybe all?). In hindsight maybe it was the long farewell.
Well, certainly the upper deck, like any other act. I would love to see them do it, if only to prove all you naysayers wrong.
Let me ask you, if they can sell out Waldbuhne, and if they wouldn't have had their heads up their bums with the ridiculous ticket prices, both of those shows would have been sold out. They were actually getting down to about 3000 for one show and 5000 for the second. So, that would be 44,000 tickets. And yes, i know prob about 20- 30% would be going to both shows, but so what.
So, if they are a band that can sell that many, what are you saying their ceiling is? A good percentage of a stadium show are casual fans, who remember that one song or something, and are willing to pay 50-60 bucks to go and sit in the upper deck. They would definitely need to lose this one price for the whole venue nonsense, that model CLEARLY doesnt work in Europe
Why go to Europe and charge less for tickets? They had very little issue selling tickets stateside. I don't think lowing the ticket prices is in the cards- my guess is there just won't be shows.
Depends what you think they are touring for. I imagine playing the same shows to the same US cities would get boring after a while. Especially when you can go to Europe and explore 10 different cities over 3 weeks.
Not to mention australia and south America. Sometimes the numbers don't have to add up
I love the band, let me start with that. I'm sure there is an element of touring they enjoy. That enjoyment probably has most to do with the love and support they get from the fans. Make no mistake though, they are in the business of making money and selling a product to keep the wheels rolling- to leave their families for a month or more, the numbers always have to add up. It's simple economics, the consumers have every right not to buy tickets at an established price. If the band feels they can get that price elsewhere (and they can) it makes absolutely no sense to book a tour in Europe for less money. The Euro fans voted with their wallet on the last tour, and if the band tours again they'll have to make a decision to spend money and get on a plane or listen to the tour on Nugs. I hope I'm wrong because I'd love to travel to Europe to see them before they hang it up I just don't see it happening any time soon because I'm not sure how much time they have left to stay out of an area and drive up the demand.
It's a harsh reality, I get the idea they tour some of the same markets year in and year out but Chicago, Philly and just about anywhere they play in the US sells out with no issue. Not to mention in 2025 they hit plenty of cities in the US that hadn't been hit in years. I don't think they are touring because they get to spend time in hotels all over the world while on tour and "explore cities" on off days. I'd think they'd much rather explore cities with their families while not worrying about the tour in the background. Just my two cents.
So you're saying you only seen them playing the us forever now?
What are you basing that on considering they toured Europe and Australia last year.
Ps it would be nice to get on a plane to see the band and not worry about getting sent back at customs 🤷
Well, no, I didn't say that. I said, it doesn't make sense to play in Europe unless Europeans are willing to pay the same price they can get in other cities. In my opinion, the best way to work around that is to spread out how often you play in an area. It will drive up demand thus help drive ticket sales when you do come back. It's not a hard concept to grasp, the issue is the sand running through the hour glass. Maybe they do take a full year off in 2026 like many are speculating and I don't think it would be out of realm of possibility to have a South American/Euro tour with a short US run on the front or back-end of that in 2027, but it's asking a lot considering their age.
PS: To your customs comment, no need to be ignorant. Hop on a plane and come on over, we'd be glad to have you. I've got family who arrived here from Manchester over the weekend, not a single issue, in fact from what I understand they went through US customs in Dublin .
The ticket prices for Europe were high but not astronomical. The biggest shitshow was whoever decided playing a stadium in London was a good idea. I'm sure they would of sold out 2 nights at the o2.
Having said that Barcelona didn't sell out. I went to both those shows but I don't know what the bands following is like in Spain.
You have been saying that nonstop. You dont think they could draw 45,000 in the UK? Please. They screwed up with the prices, and the timing. Were they not charging double what Green Day and Foo and the Boss were? Theres the problem, right there.
It cant be said enough, they sold 130,000 for Hyde Park. Yep, it was a “festival”, and yes, a lot of people just went because, but the vast majority of people were there to see PJ. And they had the fastest sellout ever, thats why they added the second show. And the band were just there in ‘18, and the tickets went on sale in ‘19, and it went how it went.
That year the Eagles didn't sellout their show, Duran Duran didn't, the Stones didn’t until a week before. And the Kings of Leon didn’t even come close to selling out theirs the following year. Give them some credit, for once…….
I paid £130 for both nights through ten club for hyde park compared to £160 for Tottenham. That's a huge difference.
I also said I thought they would sell out 2 nights at the o2, which would be about 45.000 so what's your point
You continue to say that PJ trying to play a stadium was a mistake, that they arent big enough in the UK. Correct? And i am saying they most certainly are. Tottenham is 40-48K for a concert, generally, and this band could absolutely draw that in the UK.
The whole European “leg” was odd. I dont know when else they could have fit it in, but with Dark Matter being so good, and them feeling so invigorated about it, and playing more shows in a year that they have in years, Europe should have got 15-20 shows. Especially with the news yesterday
agreed on the length of the euro tour, and the strength of DM. I always thought the band would do a leg 2 to properly hit Europe but it just never materialised which is a shame because in my view the album is a masterpiece and they looked to be enjoying playing those tracks a LOT. I was in awe at seeing how much fun they seemed to be having which seemed to be at an all time high from my experience.
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
I firmly believe that the original DM tour plan was a 2 year cycle with a 2nd Euro leg this summer hitting the usual places they missed out originally. I also suspect that they had originally planned some Canadian and possibly even South American shows this year, but something changed with Matt last year and by the spring run of US shows this year they had revised the touring plans and cut the DM tour shorter than originally planned. Although we can all be thankful that they decided to play some final shows together.
It wasn't just at Pittsburgh, from Raleigh onwards Ed kept talking about it being the end of an era and a long goodbye in a way he's never previously done at the end of album tours.
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What I don't fully understand is if that band wants to take a break, why does Matt need to publicly step away now? Even if he's made it known to the band that he was done after the tour, I don't see why it needs to be announced before the band is ready to replace him. Something isn't quite adding up. Maybe Pearl Jam Inc runs at a loss during dormant times and Matt wasn't interested in that cost? Not sure, just speculating.
I think it will take a huge offer from a festival to get this band back on the road. Maybe something billed as their "only show in 2026" could get them to move, but I'm afraid demand will have to swell a bit before they will be wowed by an offer.
I've been hoping for something different for a few years now, maybe a large theater residency where they work hard for us rehearsing, and perfecting the catalog, but play shorter shows and don't travel... feel like that might have worked for a drummer that has a family and might not be thrilled about long grueling shows...
I understand there has to be reluctance for the band to create a "I've seen it all" situation where we are all relatively satisfied but I'd really enjoy one last push before they just go full "fesitval nostalgia mode".
The timing of the ticket sales and the announcement didnt help but I too expected the stadium show to sell much better than it did but then it was a strange time all round. Announce that show for next year and Im convinced you would see very different results.
I'll be curious to see who takes up the kit now that Matt is stepping down, but I would suspect the band will take their time to decide who that should be. There's a fun list of people to think of who it might be - but its got to be the right cocktail for the band.
I'd guess, the earliest we'll see the band play again is late 2026, like maybe Ohana 2026... but more likely 2027. Think about it. They'll need to find the right drummer, THEN the drummer has to learn all that material. And be able to switch songs up night after night. That'll all take time.
Disappointed, yes, but not surprised.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Even Barcelona night 2 a third of the arena was black out because tickets didn't sell.
I don't care about ticket prices and I had a blast at my 4 euro shows last year but mistakes were definitely made
There were all sorts of signs that the band knew, especially with the "end of an era" stuff Eddie said and the champagne.
Apparently Danny Clinch really focused HARD on Matt.
That was the rumor following Pittsburgh that they'd take a year off, like they did in 2019. I really do think the people who were "feeling a one-off show in 2026" were highly optimistic.
Maybe, MAYBE we get leaks in late 2026 and that's if things move fast.
New drummer: focus on sessions in 2026 and see what new music they can shake out. Album in 2027 then tour.
It wasn't just at Pittsburgh, from Raleigh onwards Ed kept talking about it being the end of an era and a long goodbye in a way he's never previously done at the end of album tours.