Middle East ......

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Who’s the carnival barker showing up at The Hague? And where’s Memeania?

i liked the later photo of him walking away after the meeting carrying that hat in his hand. he looked nice and dejected.

also, if he is 6'3' how tall is the king and queen of denmark? they were taller than trump.

yeah he quit wearing his lifts....my guess is that he just isn't as coordinated and they look too obvious. Plus, he's gained weight so they make him lean further.

Even Rubio is about the same height now...."little Marco"....such a bunch of fucking shitheads

Did you see the stories a few weeks ago about the leg braces?  Probably difficult to wear your high heels with leg braces.  

I didn't....I'll look that up

https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation-mounts-trump-using-hidden-154217679.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHw4Xl3agS-kKS_F8U5Nh9rFoGmfM-eNd7is5Y3bMMXAOxu_9dyXSHU2iU2j9rRja_JNOdDwqsPLWjJcAXmaHz-nkGG_KqAskWrKSUZ59fdGaGAQul-WJ2qUk_jpc3e68BbwOo8j1Ojy5zZ5aE0TIUS400jFLifaSTRdjocxYO63

I don't see why leg braces would be a problem for anyone. Who cares if an old person needs something like that? A POTUS using a cane also seems perfectly fine to me. Or a wheelchair. It's the POTUS's mind that is important, not the strength of his legs. 

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Who’s the carnival barker showing up at The Hague? And where’s Memeania?

i liked the later photo of him walking away after the meeting carrying that hat in his hand. he looked nice and dejected.

also, if he is 6'3' how tall is the king and queen of denmark? they were taller than trump.

yeah he quit wearing his lifts....my guess is that he just isn't as coordinated and they look too obvious. Plus, he's gained weight so they make him lean further.

Even Rubio is about the same height now...."little Marco"....such a bunch of fucking shitheads

Did you see the stories a few weeks ago about the leg braces?  Probably difficult to wear your high heels with leg braces.  

I didn't....I'll look that up

https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation-mounts-trump-using-hidden-154217679.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHw4Xl3agS-kKS_F8U5Nh9rFoGmfM-eNd7is5Y3bMMXAOxu_9dyXSHU2iU2j9rRja_JNOdDwqsPLWjJcAXmaHz-nkGG_KqAskWrKSUZ59fdGaGAQul-WJ2qUk_jpc3e68BbwOo8j1Ojy5zZ5aE0TIUS400jFLifaSTRdjocxYO63

I don't see why leg braces would be a problem for anyone. Who cares if an old person needs something like that? A POTUS using a cane also seems perfectly fine to me. Or a wheelchair. It's the POTUS's mind that is important, not the strength of his legs. 

Go back to the point.  I was saying it's hard to wear your KISS platforms when you have leg braces.  Someone asked about it and I shared the article.  

 Yeah I know. I wasn't really addressing you, just reacting to the "theory" in general - it's obviously meant as an insult or an indicator that he's unfit, and I'm just questioning that. 

Lerxst1992 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

zero access to conservative views? interesting. I guess I live in a socialist commune and I sneak out at night to the local barn searching for a wifi signal on clear nights to post on pearl jam's message board. gimme a break. 

all this moaning and bitching coming from the guy who keeps trying to troll me with comments about canadian hockey stanley cup drought. get a life. 

The hockey jokes is me trying to keep it light, and are a response to your repeated habit of not quoting, but cursing at my comments 2 clicks below, and putting me down. You do it all the time to skirt the rules here. You got something to say about my comments? Have the guts to quote them. Otherwise please put me on ignore. And if the desire is to quote with cursing, put me on ignore then also. Thanks.

you act like you know that the gop will ignore the Biden debacle next time, but you seem completely unfamiliar that they are not sweeping this under the rug, like you and the Dems are.

you will accept 31,000 comments here that dt is a liar, but then will wrath  an expletive rage if someone tries to balance that with the absolute truth dems lied badly in the last election, continue to ignore the fraud they perpetrated against us, and are hoping the other side forgets.


edit, the issue is it’s always the same, with insults and cursing, for many months if not years, never quoting so you have plausible deniability, then pretend you never did it. The never quoting business makes it look like I’m seeking you out, when the exact opposite is true.

And @mrussel1 …too bad I missed what you had to say, sorry that my tepid criticism of the Dems doesn’t fit into the safe space theme here. The other side thinks the 2024 dem lies are a big deal, and I think I have a right to bring that up. If that’s too much, I can be placed on ignore. Which is stunning, because five years ago, we were in complete agreement the Dems were heading too far left in those primaries.

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Who’s the carnival barker showing up at The Hague? And where’s Memeania?

i liked the later photo of him walking away after the meeting carrying that hat in his hand. he looked nice and dejected.

also, if he is 6'3' how tall is the king and queen of denmark? they were taller than trump.

yeah he quit wearing his lifts....my guess is that he just isn't as coordinated and they look too obvious. Plus, he's gained weight so they make him lean further.

Even Rubio is about the same height now...."little Marco"....such a bunch of fucking shitheads

Did you see the stories a few weeks ago about the leg braces?  Probably difficult to wear your high heels with leg braces.  

I didn't....I'll look that up

https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation-mounts-trump-using-hidden-154217679.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHw4Xl3agS-kKS_F8U5Nh9rFoGmfM-eNd7is5Y3bMMXAOxu_9dyXSHU2iU2j9rRja_JNOdDwqsPLWjJcAXmaHz-nkGG_KqAskWrKSUZ59fdGaGAQul-WJ2qUk_jpc3e68BbwOo8j1Ojy5zZ5aE0TIUS400jFLifaSTRdjocxYO63

I don't see why leg braces would be a problem for anyone. Who cares if an old person needs something like that? A POTUS using a cane also seems perfectly fine to me. Or a wheelchair. It's the POTUS's mind that is important, not the strength of his legs. 

Go back to the point.  I was saying it's hard to wear your KISS platforms when you have leg braces.  Someone asked about it and I shared the article.  

 Yeah I know. I wasn't really addressing you, just reacting to the "theory" in general - it's obviously meant as an insult or an indicator that he's unfit, and I'm just questioning that. 

i don't need a physical limitation to see that he is unfit. i look at his tweets and see video of him being a dumbass every day. that is all most people need to see to know he is unfit.

if he does have a disability, i do relish in the irony that he portrays himself as a strongman when he clearly is not.

Oh, no shit - he is obviously mentally unfit. I'm just sayin'.... him wearing leg braces (or not) means absolutely nothing to me. I don't think a strongman can't also have a disability. 

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Who’s the carnival barker showing up at The Hague? And where’s Memeania?

i liked the later photo of him walking away after the meeting carrying that hat in his hand. he looked nice and dejected.

also, if he is 6'3' how tall is the king and queen of denmark? they were taller than trump.

yeah he quit wearing his lifts....my guess is that he just isn't as coordinated and they look too obvious. Plus, he's gained weight so they make him lean further.

Even Rubio is about the same height now...."little Marco"....such a bunch of fucking shitheads

Did you see the stories a few weeks ago about the leg braces?  Probably difficult to wear your high heels with leg braces.  

I didn't....I'll look that up

https://www.yahoo.com/news/speculation-mounts-trump-using-hidden-154217679.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHw4Xl3agS-kKS_F8U5Nh9rFoGmfM-eNd7is5Y3bMMXAOxu_9dyXSHU2iU2j9rRja_JNOdDwqsPLWjJcAXmaHz-nkGG_KqAskWrKSUZ59fdGaGAQul-WJ2qUk_jpc3e68BbwOo8j1Ojy5zZ5aE0TIUS400jFLifaSTRdjocxYO63

I don't see why leg braces would be a problem for anyone. Who cares if an old person needs something like that? A POTUS using a cane also seems perfectly fine to me. Or a wheelchair. It's the POTUS's mind that is important, not the strength of his legs. 

Gern Blansten said:

Hilarious that we are having a presser to discuss the level of destruction in Iran....trump just isn't going to let that go

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Be afraid. We’ll be fortunate to survive 
1,306 more days of these whack jobs.

These Trump Supporters Hope Bombing Iran Will Trigger the Apocalypse

For many ardent evangelicals and Christian nationalists, a military confrontation with Iran is the fulfillment of a biblical prophecy.

For many weary observers of US politics, the events of the past week felt like an accelerated redux of the buildup to the disastrous 2003 invasion of Iraq. Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, a key supporter of the case for regime change in Iraq, supplied the same threadbare alibi for President Donald Trump’s bombing attack in Iran: Here was an Islamic regional power gearing up to unleash terror on the West and its allies via a program to acquire weapons of mass destruction. (Never mind that Netanyahu has been invoking the specter of Iran’s imminent military nuclear capabilities for more than three decades and that the only reason the United States isn’t enforcing a deal to contain the country’s nuclear program is that in 2018, Trump ripped up an Obama-negotiated accord out of nothing more than churlishness and vanity.) Once more, an abrupt and unprovoked US attack looks poised to trigger a regional anti-American backlash, as Iran has launched a retaliatory strike on a US air base in Qatar.

The long political hangover from the catastrophic Iraq invasion is a crucial reason that some elements of the MAGA coalition are dissenting from Trump’s bombing attack. Even stalwart Trump lackeys like Georgia GOP Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene are distancing themselves from the action, while longtime MAGA propagandists such as Tucker Carlson and Steve Bannon are rushing to disclaim any support for another American “forever war” in the Middle East. America First critics of the Trump attack are also quick to cite opinion polls showing a vast majority of Americans opposing a US war in Iran.

Yet, for all the genuine reluctance that prominent MAGA figures are airing over the prospect of veering into another Middle East quagmire, there’s a bedrock constituency that has always promoted aggressive military action against Iran: the increasingly influential evangelical wing of the Trump movement. For ardent evangelicals and Christian nationalists, a military confrontation with Iran is far from a threat to upend the region’s delicate balance of power or to derail US diplomatic aims in the Middle East. A war with Iran is, instead, a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and a step on the path to final redemption for embattled Christians.

This line of theocratic bellicosity is most closely associated with right-wing Pentecostal pastor John Hagee, the founder and chairman of Christians United for Israel. In the run-up to Trump’s weekend attack, Hagee told Fox News that Trump was uniquely suited to pursue a biblically mandated policy of cutting down Israel’s enemies. “I do not think President Trump will allow himself to be played by Iranian negotiators or American isolationists,” Hagee declared. “When it’s all said and done, I believe President Trump is willing to do what it takes to ensure Iran is defanged either by enabling our strongest ally, Israel, to defend itself or otherwise.”

After the attack, Hagee amplified his battle cry in a recorded statement: “We must stand with Israel today and every day. Iran’s future as an evil force in the Middle East is now in question.… Now the US must take its seat at the head of the international table and stand alongside the only American ally in the free world willing to do what is necessary to protect the free world.”

Such bloody-minded cheerleading is nothing new for Hagee. Indeed, in the initial phase of Israel’s genocide in Gaza, Hagee was already urging the United States to attack Iran. “The righteous rage of America must be focused on Iran,” he announced from the pulpit. “Let me say it to you in plain Texas speech: American should roll up its sleeves and knock the living daylights out of Iran for what they have done for Israel. Hit them so hard that our enemies will once again fear us.”

Hagee’s son and co-pastor, Matt, took up the same theme with scriptural gusto: “God has a hook in the jaws of these nations, and he’s drawing them here. God tells Ezekiel exactly how he’s going to defend Israel. He speaks about raining down fire and hail and brimstone. That’s a heavenly air assault.”

The prophetic character of these pronouncements reflects the purely instrumental view that evangelicals adopt in their embrace of Israel. Because New Testament prophecy holds that the repatriation of Jews to Israel—and their subsequent conversion to Christianity—is a pivotal sign that the end times are at hand, the Netanyahu government’s vision of a greater Israel, keen to punish rival faiths and nations, supplies a glide path to the Final Judgment for US evangelicals and the ensuing mass elevation of Christian believers into eternal bliss. Hagee’s version of this belief is perhaps the most extreme one on the evangelical right, but he’s far from alone in championing a righteous US-Israeli alliance against Iran. Dr. Mike Evans, founder of the evangelical pro-Israeli group Friends of Zion, which claims some 30 million members, cited a scriptural passage of the pro-Zionist evangelical right in making the theological case for an Iran war to Fox News: “In Genesis chapter 12, God said, ‘I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you.’ Evangelicals believe that pressuring Israel to give up land will bring a curse on America. If they have to choose between God’s word and anyone else’s, they will choose God’s word.”

You also don’t have to look very far in the Trump White House to find the same sentiments. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, the administration’s point man on the Iran bombings, is an ardent Christian nationalist who has endorsed the idea of an “American crusade” to “push Islam back”—sentiments he’s inscribed on a pair of back tattoos, one memorializing the Jerusalem Cross from the European Crusades of the Middle Ages and the other citing the crusaders’ slogan “Deus Vult,” Latin for “God wills it.”

Hegseth is formally aligned with the Reconstructionist wing of evangelicalism, which isn’t steeped in the dispensationalist tradition of end times prophecy, but like many spiritual figures in the MAGA orbit, he embraces a synthetic and improvisational view of the encounter between history and scripture—and in a way that can one-up the eschatology of the older evangelical movement. “There’s this video on YouTube, from the first Trump administration, when Hegseth was at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and he’s saying, ‘Hey, you know people talk about the third temple’”—a triumphalist fantasy of the independent charismatic movement and messianic Jews alike—“‘it looks unlikely but you know, it could happen,’” Matthew Taylor, a student of the Trumpist-charismatic alliance, said. “That is grounds for an interreligious World War III—a Christian effort to take down the third-holiest site in Islam. And this is the [future] secretary of defense making this casual speculation, and in an almost giddy mode.”

Hegseth’s broad endorsement of a prophecy belief that’s more or less bespoke to the US evangelical worldview is in line with the distressing convergence of MAGA with what Taylor calls independent charismatic Christianity. This brand of Christian nationalism commands broad allegiance on the MAGA right—Paula White, senior adviser to Trump’s White House Faith Office, and Russ Vought, his enormously influential director of the Office of Management and Budget, are both aligned with its theology and governing agenda, and Texas Senator Ted Cruz is the son of a well-known charismatic pastor. The independent charismatics’ brand of present-minded spiritual warfare was also pivotal in the run-up to the January 6 insurrection at the US Capitol.

With the prospect of an expansive war in the Middle East, MAGA-minded charismatics will seize on the rush of events to sanctify their preexisting worldly vision of conquest and success, Taylor, the author of The Violent Take It by Force: The Christian Movement That Is Threatening Our Democracy, said. “We’re in a moment now when we could see a much more unruly evangelical theology than the older dispensationalism take hold,” he observed. “Dispensationalism is very straight and narrow. It’s quite conservative in a certain sense, in that the goal is to create a state of Israel and to protect that state until Jesus comes back.”

“But this other, more bellicose, ad hoc version of prophecy is in line with the goals of the charismatics—global domination, conquest, prosperity,” Taylor said. “It tends to embrace a more unequivocal support of the state of Israel, and even a desire for drama. The charismatic aesthetic is about melodrama and cosmic war, and about this celebration of geopolitical fights as symbolic of the battle between God and the devil.”

In other words, just as Trump has shed his bogus anti-interventionist posture to embrace the neoconservative delusion of regime change in Iran, a significant segment of his base is in the process of annexing the unprovoked attack on Iran into their choose-your-own-apocalyptic-adventure version of prophecy belief. Be afraid.

https://apple.news/AF1P1nszfRMmfsfZBpifaQA

I read only the first 2 paragraphs to know where this is going.  Believe it or not there are some fringe Christians that have been doing/wanting this for years.  It's a fringe bunch.  No sane person, Christian or otherwise wants an apocalypse. I remember reading stories like this in The Nation in the 90's.

Except now they’re in the White House holding prayer circles around COOTWH, and are in the cabinet as secretary of defense and in other positions with their hands on the levers of power. I wouldn’t dismiss it but you do you.