psst...06/16/2025

PSUS2H · June 17

artforbw said:

trees said:

trees said:

Forced to buy a replica off ebay for $30 and framed it myself with a $27 frame.
I can't tell the difference CAN you all ?
Still i would of liked a original

The thing is, you bought and framed this counterfeit poster before these even went for sale online in the TenClub. Why not at least wait until after the TenClub drop?
Also, asking if someone can tell the difference of a poster's quality, based off a low-res picture you post, shot from a distance, doesn't make much sense.
A buddy of mine bought a counterfeit poster from Sri Lanka off ebay, and it looked like crap, so he opened a return of it for a refund. They ended up just refunding him and letting him keep the item, cause it's so cheap.

All that aside, I wouldn't support sellers of counterfeit items.

I find it interesting that people will complain about flippers (yes, I get it) but will then proceed to buy b00tleg posters on eBay. I agree with you, I don't support these counterf3it sellers. I report all of their listing anytime I see them.

Merkin Baller · June 17

Shaindli1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shaindli1 said:

What about bootlegs of items that technically don’t exist?
I really wanted the tiger shirt from the spring tour but those were made for kids. So I found a place online that makes them in adult sizes and got one. I love the graphics!

If it isn't the original artist selling it, than someone else is profiting off that work... still a counterfeit IMO.

That's true, but unlike poster art AP, the artists that create these shirts don’t have the option to sell the art directly. In other words, that particular product does not exist and cannot be sold.
I would have loved to buy a shirt like that at the shows had the decision was made to manufacture it in adult sizes. Alas.

I don't disagree, but my point stands.

pjl44 · June 17

Shaindli1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shaindli1 said:

What about bootlegs of items that technically don’t exist?
I really wanted the tiger shirt from the spring tour but those were made for kids. So I found a place online that makes them in adult sizes and got one. I love the graphics!

If it isn't the original artist selling it, than someone else is profiting off that work... still a counterfeit IMO.

That's true, but unlike poster art AP, the artists that create these shirts don’t have the option to sell the art directly. In other words, that particular product does not exist and cannot be sold.
I would have loved to buy a shirt like that at the shows had the decision was made to manufacture it in adult sizes. Alas.

They don't have the option to make direct sales so it's reasonable to assume they're being paid a fee for their work. Either way they've created something, worked out an arrangement for compensation, then watch some online printing press steal their work and screen it ad infinitum. It sucks.

Shaindli1 · June 17

pjl44 said:

Shaindli1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shaindli1 said:

What about bootlegs of items that technically don’t exist?
I really wanted the tiger shirt from the spring tour but those were made for kids. So I found a place online that makes them in adult sizes and got one. I love the graphics!

If it isn't the original artist selling it, than someone else is profiting off that work... still a counterfeit IMO.

That's true, but unlike poster art AP, the artists that create these shirts don’t have the option to sell the art directly. In other words, that particular product does not exist and cannot be sold.
I would have loved to buy a shirt like that at the shows had the decision was made to manufacture it in adult sizes. Alas.

They don't have the option to make direct sales so it's reasonable to assume they're being paid a fee for their work. Either way they've created something, worked out an arrangement for compensation, then watch some online printing press steal their work and screen it ad infinitum. It sucks.

It does suck.
It also should demonstrate something about supply and demand. Whoever is in charge of merch can suffocate the bootleg market by increasing supply.

drfox · June 17

pjl44 said:

drfox said:

CopperTom said:

pjbugs007 said:

Ran into a guy at the MSG shows and he said he pays ppl to stand in line for him.. and as they get close he switches with the person he is paying. He to rather not “waste” all day standing in line..

I was next to a professional line waiter during the pop-up merch store line for GCF 2015. He did that everyday.

When I went to the Volcom pop-up shop in London, there were a few younger people a bit in front of me who didn’t look like PJ fans at all. Around half an hour before the shop opened a guy near the front of the queue went over to these people and gave them a wad of cash and asked them to pick up the maximum allocation of each for him of the deck, posters, show shirts etc… it was clear he’d paid these people to queue to buy him extra.
Debated mentioning it to the staff but didn’t want to create a scene.

What would they even do in that case? Here are people who were legitimately in line and buying within allotments

Yep, sort of why I didn’t mention it on the day. As you say they were in the line, queuing and buying their allotment despite it all ultimately being funded and going to another person

demetrios · June 17

UPS label already created from 10Club. That was fast!

M0nst3rMJ · June 17

pjl44 said:

We always assume that the guy with the wad is coming out ahead but what if they aren't?

He wouldn't be there. But since he does, he is there. That and all of the GA folks supplementing their travel costs by flipping merch is the issue.

pjl44 · June 17

Shaindli1 said:

pjl44 said:

Shaindli1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shaindli1 said:

What about bootlegs of items that technically don’t exist?
I really wanted the tiger shirt from the spring tour but those were made for kids. So I found a place online that makes them in adult sizes and got one. I love the graphics!

If it isn't the original artist selling it, than someone else is profiting off that work... still a counterfeit IMO.

That's true, but unlike poster art AP, the artists that create these shirts don’t have the option to sell the art directly. In other words, that particular product does not exist and cannot be sold.
I would have loved to buy a shirt like that at the shows had the decision was made to manufacture it in adult sizes. Alas.

They don't have the option to make direct sales so it's reasonable to assume they're being paid a fee for their work. Either way they've created something, worked out an arrangement for compensation, then watch some online printing press steal their work and screen it ad infinitum. It sucks.

It does suck.
It also should demonstrate something about supply and demand. Whoever is in charge of merch can suffocate the bootleg market by increasing supply.

"If I can't get what I want I will pay someone else to rip it off and make it for me" is a level of consumerist entitlement that is disappointing but pretty much on par for the fanbase

M0nst3rMJ · June 17

Shaindli1 said:

pjl44 said:

Shaindli1 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Shaindli1 said:

What about bootlegs of items that technically don’t exist?
I really wanted the tiger shirt from the spring tour but those were made for kids. So I found a place online that makes them in adult sizes and got one. I love the graphics!

If it isn't the original artist selling it, than someone else is profiting off that work... still a counterfeit IMO.

That's true, but unlike poster art AP, the artists that create these shirts don’t have the option to sell the art directly. In other words, that particular product does not exist and cannot be sold.
I would have loved to buy a shirt like that at the shows had the decision was made to manufacture it in adult sizes. Alas.

They don't have the option to make direct sales so it's reasonable to assume they're being paid a fee for their work. Either way they've created something, worked out an arrangement for compensation, then watch some online printing press steal their work and screen it ad infinitum. It sucks.

It does suck.
It also should demonstrate something about supply and demand. Whoever is in charge of merch can suffocate the bootleg market by increasing supply.

Exactly. But those in charge really don't care to do so. As much as the band talks about loving the fans/appreciating the fans, do the fans a solid by making it easier for those of us at the shows to get the merch that doesn't involve standing in line for 10+ hours to get swag for two nights worth of shows. I had much more fun walking around Pittsburgh and taking in the city and there was no way I was standing in that line.

CopperTom · June 17

BRONDO said:

CopperTom said:

pjbugs007 said:

Ran into a guy at the MSG shows and he said he pays ppl to stand in line for him.. and as they get close he switches with the person he is paying. He to rather not “waste” all day standing in line..

I was next to a professional line waiter during the pop-up merch store line for GCF 2015. He did that everyday.

Did you ask how much he was getting paid?

I think it was $20 or $25 an hour. But that was 10 years ago. In NYC, he must be doing that everyday - anything GA, sneaker drops, game drops, card drops, any type of pop-up. The demand is there.

ZoSoTim · June 17

I switched places with my friend in line at one of the Wrigley 2016 shows and people started yelling at me like I slapped their mom with a dead fish. It wasn’t worth the nonsense so I got out of line. I was trying to grab a poster for a friend anyway.

Shaindli1 · June 17

ZoSoTim said:

I switched places with my friend in line at one of the Wrigley 2016 shows and people started yelling at me like I slapped their mom with a dead fish. It wasn’t worth the nonsense so I got out of line. I was trying to grab a poster for a friend anyway.

In Raleigh N2 I had a merch (and ticket) buddy who was patiently waiting in line (while I was waiting in the GA line) and I switched with the permission of others in both lines with no problem. It helped we both got to know the people around us. And even with that, some items (trans shirt, tokens, plates) were already sold out in early merch. It all goes back to the supply issues this run, which I hope will be fixed next tour.

syzygy523 · June 17

demetrios said:

UPS label already created from 10Club. That was fast!

Right? Mine processed last night and shipped out this morning. Insane turnaround time. Santos and his team are something else!!

on2legs · June 17

Shaindli1 said:

ZoSoTim said:

I switched places with my friend in line at one of the Wrigley 2016 shows and people started yelling at me like I slapped their mom with a dead fish. It wasn’t worth the nonsense so I got out of line. I was trying to grab a poster for a friend anyway.

In Raleigh N2 I had a merch (and ticket) buddy who was patiently waiting in line (while I was waiting in the GA line) and I switched with the permission of others in both lines with no problem. It helped we both got to know the people around us. And even with that, some items (trans shirt, tokens, plates) were already sold out in early merch. It all goes back to the supply issues this run, which I hope will be fixed next tour.

So I’m assuming that once your friend got close to the front of the merch line you joined him/her and neither of you were in the GA line?

Is so… just curious if you checked with everyone in the merch line or just the few near the front? Because you’re not just jumping in line ahead of those near you but the entire line.

soph189 · June 21

Mine arrived today. Super fast, thanks Santos! It looks great in person. Need to compare closer, but upon first glance can’t tell much difference between the SE and AP.