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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,321
    edited June 13
    DE4173 said:
    I guess I don't get it.  A  MAGA Satire Special?  Weird.
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,458
    edited June 13
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
    Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel.  Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb.  I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did.  He even went to prison for it.  So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
    If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.

    I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.

    Stop trying to minimize what is happening  with false comparisons.

    And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
    I was actually agreeing w you but whatever man.  False equivalence that I used was showing that Trumps admin could be facing lawsuits in the future. but again false equivalency.

    Even when I give you a W you fight against it.
    I’m fighting against the minimization of what is occurring. Even the WWII comparison is not apt as we were at war and had been attacked by Japan. COOTWH is claiming the same justification for his EO to call in the NG and military, in violation of the constitution. Sheriff Joe didn’t do that.

    ”Facing lawsuits” is different than losing in court or ignoring court orders. I have no faith in the courts because SCOTUS has been compromised and COOTWH is ignoring court orders with no consequences. Sheriff Joe or Maricopa County went to jail and paid up. That is not happening here. Sheriff Joe was a known, elected official and those carrying out his orders were unmasked sheriffs and employees of the county. Who the fuck are these masked, armed individuals snatching people off the street? What are their credentials, badge numbers, training and experience and where did they come from, if on loan from another law enforcement agency? Where’s the accountability to those who are paying their salaries and apparent bonuses, the taxpayers?

    This shit is the dark hole of authoritarianism that we’re swirling down and it seems most are ignorant to it or, more likely, agree with it because “white privilege.” IMHO.

    I feel like Americans, for the most part (not you), are still in a pretty serious state of denial about what is happening. I'm not participating very much in all of these very interesting discussions. The reason for that is I simply don't have the energy to say what I want to say (i've got some medical and other shit to deal with, and have to minimize my stress). I do find that a good place to go to see healthy and apt discussions about everything that is happening right now is The Bulwark via YouTube. 
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,321
    edited June 13
    How the Troops feel:

    Three different advocacy organisations representing military families said they had heard from dozens of affected service members who expressed discomfort about being drawn into a domestic policing operation outside their normal field of operations. The groups said they have heard no countervailing opinions.

    “The sentiment across the board right now is that deploying military force against our own communities isn’t the kind of national security we signed up for,” said Sarah Streyder of the Secure Families Initiative, which represents the interests of military spouses, children and veterans.

    “Families are scared not just for their loved ones’ safety, although that’s a big concern, but also for what their service is being used to justify.”

    Chris Purdy of the Chamberlain Network, whose stated mission is to “mobilize and empower veterans to protect democracy”, said he had heard similar things from half a dozen national guard members. “Morale is not great, is the quote I keep hearing,” he said.






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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,458
    edited June 13
    I would really like to know how service members feel about that absolutely insane Fort Bragg rally, and how the service members selected for the crowd behaved. What have the commanding officers of the attendees who got political done about it?!?!?! 
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,086
    I’d like a reporter to ask the border witch how many illegal immigrants from Asia Europe and eastern block have been deported 
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,731
    edited June 13
    PJ_Soul said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
    Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel.  Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb.  I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did.  He even went to prison for it.  So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
    If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.

    I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.

    Stop trying to minimize what is happening  with false comparisons.

    And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
    I was actually agreeing w you but whatever man.  False equivalence that I used was showing that Trumps admin could be facing lawsuits in the future. but again false equivalency.

    Even when I give you a W you fight against it.
    I’m fighting against the minimization of what is occurring. Even the WWII comparison is not apt as we were at war and had been attacked by Japan. COOTWH is claiming the same justification for his EO to call in the NG and military, in violation of the constitution. Sheriff Joe didn’t do that.

    ”Facing lawsuits” is different than losing in court or ignoring court orders. I have no faith in the courts because SCOTUS has been compromised and COOTWH is ignoring court orders with no consequences. Sheriff Joe or Maricopa County went to jail and paid up. That is not happening here. Sheriff Joe was a known, elected official and those carrying out his orders were unmasked sheriffs and employees of the county. Who the fuck are these masked, armed individuals snatching people off the street? What are their credentials, badge numbers, training and experience and where did they come from, if on loan from another law enforcement agency? Where’s the accountability to those who are paying their salaries and apparent bonuses, the taxpayers?

    This shit is the dark hole of authoritarianism that we’re swirling down and it seems most are ignorant to it or, more likely, agree with it because “white privilege.” IMHO.

    I feel like Americans, for the most part (not you), are still in a pretty serious state of denial about what is happening. I'm not participating very much in all of these very interesting discussions. The reason for that is I simply don't have the energy to say what I want to say (i've got some medical and other shit to deal with, and have to minimize my stress). I do find that a good place to go to see healthy and apt discussions about everything that is happening right now is The Bulwark via YouTube. 
    You're doing the right thing in prioritizing your health! All that has been going on has taken a toll on untold numbers of peoples well-being. Hope all of your medical issues and other things going on improve as soon as possible. 🙏
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,458
    DE4173 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
    Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel.  Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb.  I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did.  He even went to prison for it.  So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
    If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.

    I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.

    Stop trying to minimize what is happening  with false comparisons.

    And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
    I was actually agreeing w you but whatever man.  False equivalence that I used was showing that Trumps admin could be facing lawsuits in the future. but again false equivalency.

    Even when I give you a W you fight against it.
    I’m fighting against the minimization of what is occurring. Even the WWII comparison is not apt as we were at war and had been attacked by Japan. COOTWH is claiming the same justification for his EO to call in the NG and military, in violation of the constitution. Sheriff Joe didn’t do that.

    ”Facing lawsuits” is different than losing in court or ignoring court orders. I have no faith in the courts because SCOTUS has been compromised and COOTWH is ignoring court orders with no consequences. Sheriff Joe or Maricopa County went to jail and paid up. That is not happening here. Sheriff Joe was a known, elected official and those carrying out his orders were unmasked sheriffs and employees of the county. Who the fuck are these masked, armed individuals snatching people off the street? What are their credentials, badge numbers, training and experience and where did they come from, if on loan from another law enforcement agency? Where’s the accountability to those who are paying their salaries and apparent bonuses, the taxpayers?

    This shit is the dark hole of authoritarianism that we’re swirling down and it seems most are ignorant to it or, more likely, agree with it because “white privilege.” IMHO.

    I feel like Americans, for the most part (not you), are still in a pretty serious state of denial about what is happening. I'm not participating very much in all of these very interesting discussions. The reason for that is I simply don't have the energy to say what I want to say (i've got some medical and other shit to deal with, and have to minimize my stress). I do find that a good place to go to see healthy and apt discussions about everything that is happening right now is The Bulwark via YouTube. 
    You're doing the right thing in prioritizing your health! All that has been going on has taken a toll on untold numbers of peoples well-being. Hope all of your medical issues and other things going on improve as soon as possible. 🙏

    Thank you!! :heart:
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,755
    PJ_Soul said:
    I would really like to know how service members feel about that absolutely insane Fort Bragg rally, and how the service members selected for the crowd behaved. What have the commanding officers of the attendees who got political done about it?!?!?! 
    I'm guessing it's a fairly even split unfortunately. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,718
    PJ_Soul said:
    I would really like to know how service members feel about that absolutely insane Fort Bragg rally, and how the service members selected for the crowd behaved. What have the commanding officers of the attendees who got political done about it?!?!?! 

    so attendance was voluntary, as such yyou got only supporters. given this wasnt technically a public event,  it can be argued this didnt violate regs on their individual parts. 

    in uniform they are to be outwardly apolitical in public. rightly so. 

    as to why any service member would overlook the draft dodging and the statements such as suckers and losers as reported by a retired general, I have no idea. 

     personally as a former sailor, I find his whole being offensive , particularly the military stuff... and stand by my oath at enlistment with a couple modificatios....

    I , _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of my conscience. So help me god.

    vs as recited at enlistment 

    'I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,755
    mickeyrat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I would really like to know how service members feel about that absolutely insane Fort Bragg rally, and how the service members selected for the crowd behaved. What have the commanding officers of the attendees who got political done about it?!?!?! 

    so attendance was voluntary, as such yyou got only supporters. given this wasnt technically a public event,  it can be argued this didnt violate regs on their individual parts. 

    in uniform they are to be outwardly apolitical in public. rightly so. 

    as to why any service member would overlook the draft dodging and the statements such as suckers and losers as reported by a retired general, I have no idea. 

     personally as a former sailor, I find his whole being offensive , particularly the military stuff... and stand by my oath at enlistment with a couple modificatios....

    I , _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of my conscience. So help me god.

    vs as recited at enlistment 

    'I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
    I've had arguments with magat veterans before. They either believe that he actually had bone spurs (he had bone spurs...Biden just had asthma blah blah blah) or they think that it was justifiable because "everyone who could was doing that"

    They blow off the disparaging comments that he has made because Milley and Kelly are both liars. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,269
    edited June 13
    I’d like a reporter to ask the border witch how many illegal immigrants from Asia Europe and eastern block have been deported 
    No reporter will ever get a straight honest answer.

    Guarantee that the overwhelming majority of undocumented immigrants being unconstitutionally seized and deported are hispanic who came across the southern border

    They absolutely do not care about white undocumented immigrants who come across the northern border or through airports or ports of call.

    This whole "illiegal alien" situation is based wholly on racism and xenophobia. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,086
    I’d like a reporter to ask the border witch how many illegal immigrants from Asia Europe and eastern block have been deported 
    No reporter will ever get a straight honest answer.

    Guarantee that the overwhelming majority of undocumented immigrants being unconstitutionally seized and deported are hispanic who came across the southern border

    They absolutely do not care about white undocumented immigrants who come across the northern border or through airports or ports of call.

    This whole "illiegal alien" situation is based wholly on racism and xenophobia. 
    That’s how I see it 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,718
    Woman in video appears unarmed as she walks alone before police shoot her near her residence 🔗👉 https://ebx.sh/DGx1fK
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,718
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 31,086
    mickeyrat said:
    Woman in video appears unarmed as she walks alone before police shoot her near her residence 🔗👉 https://ebx.sh/DGx1fK
    In the defense of the police I’d say she was walking towards them like really menacing posturing! Fuck those cops 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,321
    DE4173 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    The way Obama and Brandon did it. And you seem okay with US citizens being arrested and detained without charge as nary a condemnation of the event that I posted. He was arrested and held for hours because he was the “other” working construction.
    mickeyrat said:
    It’s amazing to me that certain posters are all in on US citizens being arrested and detained without warrants or charges. They’re only crime? Being “the other.” And some even believe that their white privilege will spare them. Why? Because they fear elimination of the white race and believe all “others” are here illegally and are criminals. Nice to be this guy, eh?

    Showz me your paperz! 

    Actually no.  I believe in enforcing immigration but not scared of being eliminated...  It's ok to be pro enforcement and not be a racist/biggot, add word here.

    Arresting people for probable cause is admitted without a warrant. I remember Joe Arpajo doing that and it not working out for him though.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?

    do you wait at courts or immigration offices and snatch people doing what they are supposed to  as required? 
    Where did I say any of this?  Reaching aren't we?

    So i ask again.

    How do you enforce immigration if you don't arrest and deport people?
    And I’ll say it again, the way Obama and Brandon did it. The individual in the video I posted is a US citizen. You made some dumb comparison to Sheriff Joe Arpao.

    No wonder this country is where it’s at.
    Yeah we are where we are at because reading comprehension is gone and tunnel vision is in full effect.... I brought up Sherriff joe as an example of what is happening now. That's the parallel.  Sorry if you missed that and thought it was dumb.  I'll clarify it better for you, they ended up paying millions in lawsuits because of what Joe did.  He even went to prison for it.  So that was dumb of me to bring up that as a comparison?
    If you’re comparing a rogue sheriff versus a rogue POTUS, no. Sheriff Joe had way more violations of law that were detrimental and I believe was sued for, back when we had a functioning DOJ. It was also contained to Arizona and specifically Maricopa County. The shit COOTWH and Herr Miller applies every where in ‘Murikkka and the threats apply to everyone. And like J6 convicts he was pardoned by COOTWH. The shit happening in LA and in cities and places across the country IS DIFFERENT than anything experienced in our lifetimes. The parallel would be the internment of Japanese citizens during WWII. Also done by EO.

    I don’t expect COOTWH to pay millions or anyone in his administration to go to jail for what they’re doing and going to do. It’s too late.

    Stop trying to minimize what is happening  with false comparisons.

    And I’ll point out again regarding enforcement of immigration LAW, like Obama and Brandon did it.
    I was actually agreeing w you but whatever man.  False equivalence that I used was showing that Trumps admin could be facing lawsuits in the future. but again false equivalency.

    Even when I give you a W you fight against it.
    I’m fighting against the minimization of what is occurring. Even the WWII comparison is not apt as we were at war and had been attacked by Japan. COOTWH is claiming the same justification for his EO to call in the NG and military, in violation of the constitution. Sheriff Joe didn’t do that.

    ”Facing lawsuits” is different than losing in court or ignoring court orders. I have no faith in the courts because SCOTUS has been compromised and COOTWH is ignoring court orders with no consequences. Sheriff Joe or Maricopa County went to jail and paid up. That is not happening here. Sheriff Joe was a known, elected official and those carrying out his orders were unmasked sheriffs and employees of the county. Who the fuck are these masked, armed individuals snatching people off the street? What are their credentials, badge numbers, training and experience and where did they come from, if on loan from another law enforcement agency? Where’s the accountability to those who are paying their salaries and apparent bonuses, the taxpayers?

    This shit is the dark hole of authoritarianism that we’re swirling down and it seems most are ignorant to it or, more likely, agree with it because “white privilege.” IMHO.

    I feel like Americans, for the most part (not you), are still in a pretty serious state of denial about what is happening. I'm not participating very much in all of these very interesting discussions. The reason for that is I simply don't have the energy to say what I want to say (i've got some medical and other shit to deal with, and have to minimize my stress). I do find that a good place to go to see healthy and apt discussions about everything that is happening right now is The Bulwark via YouTube. 
    You're doing the right thing in prioritizing your health! All that has been going on has taken a toll on untold numbers of peoples well-being. Hope all of your medical issues and other things going on improve as soon as possible. 🙏

    Seconded.  Take good care of yourself, my friend.  :hug:
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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 9,150
    Where’s that checks and balances dope






  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 41,294
    Where’s that checks and balances dope






    Buh, buh, buh, buh it can’t happen here!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,321
    Where’s that checks and balances dope







    There are no checks and balances under totalitarian rule.  
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,269
    Where’s that checks and balances dope






    More definitive proof that things like The Constitution and The Rule of Law mean nothing to these people.
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,459
    Where’s that checks and balances dope






    More definitive proof that things like The Constitution and The Rule of Law mean nothing to these people.

    The last time the left complained about this, with Abrego Garcia,  a grand jury was in process.

     We have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. It falls under my main point, why the middle sees the left as extreme.

    We don't know if we are supporting someone for good cause or whether we are supporting an alleged Criminal. But let's Scream the sky is falling without knowing all the facts. That's what turns off independent voters. Keep ignoring, all.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,718
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    Where’s that checks and balances dope






    More definitive proof that things like The Constitution and The Rule of Law mean nothing to these people.

    The last time the left complained about this, with Abrego Garcia,  a grand jury was in process.

     We have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. It falls under my main point, why the middle sees the left as extreme.

    We don't know if we are supporting someone for good cause or whether we are supporting an alleged Criminal. But let's Scream the sky is falling without knowing all the facts. That's what turns off independent voters. Keep ignoring, all.

    you know nothing of the middle. 

    in process you say?

    At the June 13 hearing, a DHS agent revealed that he was only asked to look into Garcia’s case on April 28, well after Garcia was deported.[215]

    SCOTUS and the lower had already ordered his return before then.....
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    they got her makeup and general attitude correct.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,560
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    Where’s that checks and balances dope






    More definitive proof that things like The Constitution and The Rule of Law mean nothing to these people.

    The last time the left complained about this, with Abrego Garcia,  a grand jury was in process.

     We have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. It falls under my main point, why the middle sees the left as extreme.

    We don't know if we are supporting someone for good cause or whether we are supporting an alleged Criminal. But let's Scream the sky is falling without knowing all the facts. That's what turns off independent voters. Keep ignoring, all.
    news flash. there is no middle. you either stand with trump or you don't.

    the independent voice is the quietest one because those using it refuse to take a stand. they just point fingers at the people trying to resist fascism. the independent voice is weak, and should probably pipe down at this point in our history.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,560
    independent voters are basically hooks from police academy at this point.

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,325
    You know, I just can’t keep it straight. 

    The left are weak but also extreme. 

    Trump is an idiot but also brilliant. 

    We are heading towards authoritarianism but let’s wait and see. 
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 2,731
    Where’s that checks and balances dope






    More definitive proof that things like The Constitution and The Rule of Law mean nothing to these people.

    The last time the left complained about this, with Abrego Garcia,  a grand jury was in process.

     We have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. It falls under my main point, why the middle sees the left as extreme.

    We don't know if we are supporting someone for good cause or whether we are supporting an alleged Criminal. But let's Scream the sky is falling without knowing all the facts. That's what turns off independent voters. Keep ignoring, all.
    news flash. there is no middle. you either stand with trump or you don't.

    the independent voice is the quietest one because those using it refuse to take a stand. they just point fingers at the people trying to resist fascism. the independent voice is weak, and should probably pipe down at this point in our history.
    These two sentences back to back is quite something.


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,325
    DE4173 said:
    Where’s that checks and balances dope






    More definitive proof that things like The Constitution and The Rule of Law mean nothing to these people.

    The last time the left complained about this, with Abrego Garcia,  a grand jury was in process.

     We have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. It falls under my main point, why the middle sees the left as extreme.

    We don't know if we are supporting someone for good cause or whether we are supporting an alleged Criminal. But let's Scream the sky is falling without knowing all the facts. That's what turns off independent voters. Keep ignoring, all.
    news flash. there is no middle. you either stand with trump or you don't.

    the independent voice is the quietest one because those using it refuse to take a stand. they just point fingers at the people trying to resist fascism. the independent voice is weak, and should probably pipe down at this point in our history.
    These two sentences back to back is quite something.


    How so? If you’re still independent at THIS point you’re ignorant or pro-fascism. Pick one. 
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