#46 President Joe Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

Does it really need to be spelled out? There was a choice last November between Kamala and COOTWH.  Had Kamala been elected, we wouldn’t be subject to the following, at a minimum:

jets being gifted.

canada as a 51st state.

renditions to El Salvador, Sudan and god knows where else.

Reopening Alcatraz.

Tariff flip flops and market instability.

Downgrading of ‘Muricas credit worthiness.

DOGE and the stupidity of that havoc.

An alcoholic womanizer abuser as SoD and war planning on Signal.

Gabbard as DNI.

Ca$h as FBI director.

A “professional wrestling” executive as Secretary of education and a cabinet position to be eliminated. Why’s it taking so long?

Golden Dome, stupid, just like Star Wars was in its day but the stupid part is believing it’ll happen in COOTWH’s term.

Abandonment of NATO and the support of authoritarian regimes.

The graft, the grift, the gaudiness, the cluelessness and the stupidity, 24/7/365.

Roadkill Kennedy and AI generated position papers from HHS.

The war on higher education because “the other.”

Stupid shit every single fucking day.

I’m sure some people are all in on all of it. In fact, there’s millions of people all in on all of it. Good luck, 1,328 days to go.

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

Disregard.

tbergs said:

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

Good call. It definitely wasn't the rubes who voted for a blatantly grifting and corrupted reality tv star to be our president 2x over that set the bar where it is. It was Hal. 

JFC

I think you're (Hal and you) both being a little unreasonable if you don't think how Dems handled this lost them votes. I'm not talking voters who turned to Trump, because that's BS if they're claiming they voted for him over Biden based on that scenario. I'm talking about people who chose not to vote at all and did vote blue in 2020. They're fed up with the bullshit and seeing Kamala as the top of the ticket only furthered their view that dems were also willing to do whatever it took to win and continue to act like Joe wasn't in decline. It's not politically easy to admit Joe was struggling, but they would have been better off selling that and making Kamala the heir apparent instead of what many people felt was deceptive.

For the voters who were clearly already in the camp of dead Joe Biden over Trump it didn't matter what state Joe was in because anything was better than the evil empire. It's clear a lot of people in that camp still can't fathom voters who didn't think anyone with a pulse over Trump was a shitty system.

tbergs said:

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

Disregard.

I think you're (Hal) being a little unreasonable if you don't think how Dems handled this lost them votes. I'm not talking voters who turned to Trump, because that's BS if they're claiming they voted for him over Biden based on that scenario. I'm talking about people who chose not to vote at all and did vote blue in 2020. They're fed up with the bullshit and seeing Kamala as the top of the ticket only furthered their view that dems were also willing to do whatever it took to win and continue to act like Joe wasn't in decline. It's not politically easy to admit Joe was struggling, but they would have been better off selling that and making Kamala the heir apparent instead of what many people felt was deceptive.

For the voters who were clearly already in the camp of dead Joe Biden over Trump it didn't matter what state Joe was in because anything was better than the evil empire. It's clear a lot of people in that camp still can't fathom voters who didn't think anyone with a pulse over Trump was a shitty system.

Halifax2TheMax said:

tbergs said:

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

Disregard.

I think you're (Hal) being a little unreasonable if you don't think how Dems handled this lost them votes. I'm not talking voters who turned to Trump, because that's BS if they're claiming they voted for him over Biden based on that scenario. I'm talking about people who chose not to vote at all and did vote blue in 2020. They're fed up with the bullshit and seeing Kamala as the top of the ticket only furthered their view that dems were also willing to do whatever it took to win and continue to act like Joe wasn't in decline. It's not politically easy to admit Joe was struggling, but they would have been better off selling that and making Kamala the heir apparent instead of what many people felt was deceptive.

For the voters who were clearly already in the camp of dead Joe Biden over Trump it didn't matter what state Joe was in because anything was better than the evil empire. It's clear a lot of people in that camp still can't fathom voters who didn't think anyone with a pulse over Trump was a shitty system.

I gave you four scenarios. Explain how the Dems should have “handled it” and how that would have attracted the undecideds or spurred more people to vote for the dem candidate. What bullshit were people sick of?

Here’s the thing, repubs could have the policy with any other candidate but instead chose the scummiest candidate of them all. Why?

tbergs said:

As for the 14%, maybe that's the swing in Latino men and new voters? I don't know. I'm not a political analyst.

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

You didn’t answer my PS question. Guess you’re okay with being deceived and you’ve set the bar lower for expectations out of government. Congratulations to you and for your concern. Everything is the Dems’ fault.

I detest, absolutely detest whataboutism.  Focusing on just the behavior of Biden and his team here in this Biden thread.  You undercut your integrity when you make excuses for Biden’s deceit by saying someone else is worse.  Supporting the ends justifying the means comes to mind.

It was just short of Weekend at Bernie’s and Biden would have stayed in the race if they finally weren’t forced to quit.  

I don’t bash Trump on here because it is a pro-Liberal board.  When pro-Trump folks bring up Hunter, I bring up Trump’s family getting 100’s of millions from foreign parties invested in their schemes.  When liberals on here overlook things like a zombie sitting in the Oval Office I will call that out too.