#46 President Joe Biden

Halifax2TheMax

“Making excuses for Brandon’s deceit.” Yup, we were all deceived, Brandon was on the ballot, was re-elected and is in a coma with a crisis actor in the role. Waaaaah, we didn’t get a primary and had to vote for a woman. And a black one at that. Dems suck and everything is their fault. Including who currently resides in the White House. FFS.

bootlegger10

gimmesometruth27 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

You didn’t answer my PS question. Guess you’re okay with being deceived and you’ve set the bar lower for expectations out of government. Congratulations to you and for your concern. Everything is the Dems’ fault.

I detest, absolutely detest whataboutism.  Focusing on just the behavior of Biden and his team here in this Biden thread.  You undercut your integrity when you make excuses for Biden’s deceit by saying someone else is worse.  Supporting the ends justifying the means comes to mind.

It was just short of Weekend at Bernie’s and Biden would have stayed in the race if they finally weren’t forced to quit.  

I don’t bash Trump on here because it is a pro-Liberal board.  When pro-Trump folks bring up Hunter, I bring up Trump’s family getting 100’s of millions from foreign parties invested in their schemes.  When liberals on here overlook things like a zombie sitting in the Oval Office I will call that out too.

do you think that biden was so gone mentally that he could not surround himself with an effective cabinet?

i believe he could have picked a better cabinet than trump could in a million years.

I expect that the  president surrounds himself with qualified people to manage things and provide counsel.  The president is elected to make the tough decisions, the coin flip decisions, etc…

So if unelected people that don’t go through the debate process, that don’t have a public record, are delegated those difficult decisions because the president was not able, then that is a problem.

It can be a problem you don’t care about because you prefer his cabinet over Trump, but nonetheless a problem. 

 Dems ask how someone could vote for Trump even if they don’t like the person.  Well, you should understand that answer better now that it is clear people would vote for someone who isn’t their mentally because they don’t like the policies of the other candidate.

Gern Blansten

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

You didn’t answer my PS question. Guess you’re okay with being deceived and you’ve set the bar lower for expectations out of government. Congratulations to you and for your concern. Everything is the Dems’ fault.

I detest, absolutely detest whataboutism.  Focusing on just the behavior of Biden and his team here in this Biden thread.  You undercut your integrity when you make excuses for Biden’s deceit by saying someone else is worse.  Supporting the ends justifying the means comes to mind.

It was just short of Weekend at Bernie’s and Biden would have stayed in the race if they finally weren’t forced to quit.  

I don’t bash Trump on here because it is a pro-Liberal board.  When pro-Trump folks bring up Hunter, I bring up Trump’s family getting 100’s of millions from foreign parties invested in their schemes.  When liberals on here overlook things like a zombie sitting in the Oval Office I will call that out too.

sorry but that's a maga talking point...Biden is old but he could still be an effective president. 

tbergs

I don't get the defense of Biden at this point. He wasn't totally gone, but he was well beyond what should be considered fit to be President. 12 straight years of someone too old for the highest office and I'm saying that based on physical and mental acuity of both of them, not at all because of their actual age. It could be possible for an 80 year old to be in excellent condition, but we really should cap government and SCOTUS at 75. McConnell is a shell and gets to serve out his term. Schumer is fading away. RBG died trying to cling to her position after she should have retired 5 years earlier. Many of them accomplished great things (McConnell's are mostly infamous) in their time, but it all gets diminished when you don't call it quits before you become physically and mentally unfit.

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

You didn’t answer my PS question. Guess you’re okay with being deceived and you’ve set the bar lower for expectations out of government. Congratulations to you and for your concern. Everything is the Dems’ fault.

I detest, absolutely detest whataboutism.  Focusing on just the behavior of Biden and his team here in this Biden thread.  You undercut your integrity when you make excuses for Biden’s deceit by saying someone else is worse.  Supporting the ends justifying the means comes to mind.

It was just short of Weekend at Bernie’s and Biden would have stayed in the race if they finally weren’t forced to quit.  

I don’t bash Trump on here because it is a pro-Liberal board.  When pro-Trump folks bring up Hunter, I bring up Trump’s family getting 100’s of millions from foreign parties invested in their schemes.  When liberals on here overlook things like a zombie sitting in the Oval Office I will call that out too.

sorry but that's a maga talking point...Biden is old but he could still be an effective president. 

And a blind person could still be an effective air traffic controller with the right assistive technology, but that's not going to make anyone feel safe. Additionally, think of the world presence a US president needs to have on our behalf. No way Biden was fit to take on that role for another 4 year. He barely was in the public eye and when he was, there were so many cringe moments it got embarrassing.

mickeyrat

age aside for a minute. same with his career long verbal missteps.

says a transition candidate in 2020. taken to mean single term. ok. 

Legislative accomplishments ,  diplomatic recovery, etc etc. 

did that not merit a second term? earn it? for any other younger as succesful president, despite saying or infering one term?

DE4173

I would vote for him. Again.

tbergs

DE4173 said:

I would vote for him. Again.

In a vacuum, I wouldn't, but in our current political landscape I wouldn't have a choice based on the vile republican options.

Halifax2TheMax

Proof, with evidence, that Brandon really is a robot.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DKdOUXhArII/?igsh=enkwNDZwd3Q5bGM0

bootlegger10

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

You didn’t answer my PS question. Guess you’re okay with being deceived and you’ve set the bar lower for expectations out of government. Congratulations to you and for your concern. Everything is the Dems’ fault.

I detest, absolutely detest whataboutism.  Focusing on just the behavior of Biden and his team here in this Biden thread.  You undercut your integrity when you make excuses for Biden’s deceit by saying someone else is worse.  Supporting the ends justifying the means comes to mind.

It was just short of Weekend at Bernie’s and Biden would have stayed in the race if they finally weren’t forced to quit.  

I don’t bash Trump on here because it is a pro-Liberal board.  When pro-Trump folks bring up Hunter, I bring up Trump’s family getting 100’s of millions from foreign parties invested in their schemes.  When liberals on here overlook things like a zombie sitting in the Oval Office I will call that out too.

sorry but that's a maga talking point...Biden is old but he could still be an effective president. 

I'm not maga, I don't watch Fox News.   All the public sees was someone reading a speech, and when he went off script it was usually a disaster.  That's a very low bar.  So, tough to say from an outside view what he was doing in the White House by the end.  

Gern Blansten

tbergs said:

DE4173 said:

I would vote for him. Again.

In a vacuum, I wouldn't, but in our current political landscape I wouldn't have a choice based on the vile republican options.

ok so you DO get the defense of him at this point....right?

Gern Blansten

bootlegger10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

bootlegger10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

“Shadow government” is the new buzz word, folks. Seems some might be feeling some guilt for what they’ve wrought.

I thought this was a Biden thread?  I can't stand Trump and his family, team or policies.  Didn't realize that we can't criticize anyone else while Trump is around.  Should have known better about posting on the board. 

The President, his family and leadership was hiding his decline from you and you didn't care because of your hatred for Trump.  He had to be drug out of office kicking and screaming way too late in the game instead of doing the right thing, and eroded trust in the Dems.   

Brandon, in his diminished state and the “shadow government” you profess, and the subsequent Kamala as candidate were and are still way better than what we have now. Full stop.

You can be critical, in this the Brandon thread. I disagree with your opinion. Who’d you vote for?

I voted for Kamala.

So you voted for the “shadow government” or weren’t offered a choice? Or, Brandon’s condition being “hidden” and Kamala’s late entry so destroyed trust in Dems that your fellow citizens thought it better to vote for a guy who repeatedly lied and misrepresented facts multiple times a day, everyday for the year he ran, for all four years of his presidency and again for four more years after it, and yet, somehow, Dems aren’t to be trusted, and that’s why Kamala or dems lost? Do I have that right, now?

I just want to hear you say that Biden wasn't qualified to be in office, his family and staff knew it and hid it as well as they could from voters, and despite this I still would have voted for Biden and then Kamala.

Just for one moment, just one moment, you could call out bullshit on the left.  That is the only reason I am posting here today.   

Was I disappointed with how Brandon’s exit was handled? Sure. But I also understand politics in the context and moment of what was occurring. From my perspective, the following choices existed, none of which were ideal, and as such, I have no issue with how it played out. The issue is that there are some, you included it seems, that blame Dems for the current shit show we’re experiencing and at the end of the day, in November of 2024, ‘Muricans had a choice as they were presented with one. No amount of reflection, handwringing or assignment of blame is going to change that. Hold those responsible for this shit show responsible, the repub party, repub and Indie voters and non-voters. They own this clusterfuck. I don’t feel “cheated”, “scammed” or butt hurt by how Brandon, his administration, the dem party or the “shadow government” handled things, given the reality and understanding politics.

Here were the choices as I see them:

1. Brandon runs in 2020, wins, is sworn in and after a year, maybe less, announces he’s not running for re-election. He immediately becomes a lame duck, Kamala is elevated as front runner due to her position of VP, dem candidates jockey for position and the infighting and messiness of three years gives repubs plenty of ammo and opportunity to criticize and block every effort at what the Brandon administration proposes. Nothing gets done, it’s a shit show as many potential dem candidates are current cabinet members.

2. Brandon holds off on announcing not running until after the midterms. Same thing happens but in a condensed calendar. Exploratory committees, fund raising, behind the scenes lobbying for endorsements and financial support typically happen well before 2-3 years to go until election day.

3. Brandon runs to get re-elected, wins, and steps down after a year, giving Kamala 3 years in the White House before running again in 2028 in her own right with her own record. That didn’t happen but may have been Brandon’s calculation. Maybe Brandon believed in the ‘Murican people to do the right thing GIVEN THE CHOICES BEFORE THEM? And had he won and served 4 years with the “shadow government” calling the shots, it would still be better than the current shit show if only because the people in the “shadow government” are/would have been “normal.” There is nothing “normal” about COOTWH and the repubs and their supporters. Both sides are not the same.

4. Brandon has a disastrous debate performance, withdraws, Kamala is anointed by the “shadow government”, debates a candidate who claims the other is “eating the pets of the people that live there,” and with all that we know of COOTWH, from 2015 forward, and more, plus the 2020 election shit in Georgia, smartmatic, Russia, Russia, Russia, 1/6, Project 2025, etc, etc, etc, the ‘Murican people are given a choice and 2,284,967 more ‘Muricans vote for COOTWH, with 49.8% of the vote, proving Brandon’s faith in the ‘Murican voter to do “the right thing” was misguided.

Brandon, in whatever state he was in as he ran for re-election was more qualified to be in office and most certainly so is/was Kamala, of which we had a choice. The fact that anyone is more upset with Brandon, Dr. Brandon, the dem political establishment, the “shadow government” or anyone else for how the dem candidate came to be, given the choices, the history, the context of the moment, rather than the repub party, their candidate and positions, repub, indie and non-voters, is, frankly, astounding and deeply disturbing, to me and doesn’t bode well for the future. At all.

You can blame Dems all you want but Repubs own this. It will take some serious pain for people to wake the fuck up but I’m not hopeful given the results of November 2024, what has occurred and what is occurring.

You can’t blame me nor will I apologize. I don’t “own” it. 1,328 days to go. Good fucking luck.

PS: Do you believe COOTWH calls all the shots, understands everything and has the capacity to address issues and govern or is Herr Miller, JD Byryder and/or others operating a “shadow government?”

Fine.  Biden and his team were just protecting America and weren't intentionally deceiving the American people.   You've set the bar pretty low for expectations out of government.   Congrats.  
 

You didn’t answer my PS question. Guess you’re okay with being deceived and you’ve set the bar lower for expectations out of government. Congratulations to you and for your concern. Everything is the Dems’ fault.

I detest, absolutely detest whataboutism.  Focusing on just the behavior of Biden and his team here in this Biden thread.  You undercut your integrity when you make excuses for Biden’s deceit by saying someone else is worse.  Supporting the ends justifying the means comes to mind.

It was just short of Weekend at Bernie’s and Biden would have stayed in the race if they finally weren’t forced to quit.  

I don’t bash Trump on here because it is a pro-Liberal board.  When pro-Trump folks bring up Hunter, I bring up Trump’s family getting 100’s of millions from foreign parties invested in their schemes.  When liberals on here overlook things like a zombie sitting in the Oval Office I will call that out too.

sorry but that's a maga talking point...Biden is old but he could still be an effective president. 

I'm not maga, I don't watch Fox News.   All the public sees was someone reading a speech, and when he went off script it was usually a disaster.  That's a very low bar.  So, tough to say from an outside view what he was doing in the White House by the end.  

whataboutism but ok...trump can't give a speech to save his life, he goes off script and gets into the same spiral of bullshit every time he appears in front of the press. 

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

DE4173 said:

I would vote for him. Again.

In a vacuum, I wouldn't, but in our current political landscape I wouldn't have a choice based on the vile republican options.

ok so you DO get the defense of him at this point....right?

Not really. No need to try and make it sound better than it was or would be just because Trump is unfit on every level. It's just a different form of shitty candidate who presented as not crazy, just barely above comatose at times.

Halifax2TheMax

Normal comatose over crazy comatose? I’ll take normal every time. Regardless, that wasn’t the choice in November 2024. It was normal, functioning adult versus crazy comatose.

josevolution

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9z9veyr1o.amp

Here you go you wanted an investigation on JB mental issues don’t worry this administration led by a total competent idiot will reveal all! 

DE4173

josevolution said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9z9veyr1o.amp

Here you go you wanted an investigation on JB mental issues don’t worry this administration led by a total competent idiot will reveal all! 

mrussel1

josevolution said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9z9veyr1o.amp

Here you go you wanted an investigation on JB mental issues don’t worry this administration led by a total competent idiot will reveal all! 

I'm very worried about this.  It might make Biden unelectable in future elections.  

I hope they don't dig into Bill Clinton too. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9z9veyr1o.amp

Here you go you wanted an investigation on JB mental issues don’t worry this administration led by a total competent idiot will reveal all! 

I'm very worried about this.  It might make Biden unelectable in future elections.  

I hope they don't dig into Bill Clinton too. 

And Hillary and Obama. And the inventor of the interwebs, Al Gore.

PJ_Soul

josevolution said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9z9veyr1o.amp

Here you go you wanted an investigation on JB mental issues don’t worry this administration led by a total competent idiot will reveal all! 

If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.... I'm already gearing up to withstand the insane hypocrisy that this is going to result in. If I thought the GOP would do this using an even playing feild, I'd be all for it, as I do think the coverup that apparently took place is beyond alarming. But that is obviously not what's going to happen, and I already believe that their own similar coverup is in high gear, and it started around 2018 or so. 

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9z9veyr1o.amp

Here you go you wanted an investigation on JB mental issues don’t worry this administration led by a total competent idiot will reveal all! 

I'm very worried about this.  It might make Biden unelectable in future elections.  

I hope they don't dig into Bill Clinton too. 

Don't worry about it. The Biden Crime Family's working on it. They're quite devious.