#46 President Joe Biden

HughFreakingDillon

did he have a teleprompter or at the very least heavily rehearsed? likely. But this was the day after. And his unscripted moments were clear and concise. If someone is really in the kind of decline people here keep trying to convince themselves he was in, he wouldn't have been able to pull this off either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

cime of the century? haha. you people are just looking for a scapegoat of why trump's in the white house. 

Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.

People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 

Lerxst1992

Gern Blansten said:

tbergs said:

The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.

Well...we saw that on TV a lot too. He was sharp at times. He was sharp a few weeks ago on live TV.

He didn't trail off from a speech and start talking about sharks and magnets or how millions of people were dying in Ukraine. Or how Ukraine started a war, etc.

Dementia is not a linear affliction. You could be horrible for a month, then great, then horrible again. Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades, in early 2024.

The sources defending the Biden team are “anonymous“ , lol. they were dishonest with us, and someone deserves to pay for this deception, instead they’ll keep their jobs making decisions for the various democratic campaign committees.

Lerxst1992

HughFreakingDillon said:

did he have a teleprompter or at the very least heavily rehearsed? likely. But this was the day after. And his unscripted moments were clear and concise. If someone is really in the kind of decline people here keep trying to convince themselves he was in, he wouldn't have been able to pull this off either:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

cime of the century? haha. you people are just looking for a scapegoat of why trump's in the white house. 

AI response…

…dementia symptoms can become more pronounced under stress. Stress can worsen dementia symptoms, especially those affecting attention, planning, and decision-making. This is likely due to the release of cortisol and other stress hormones, which can negatively impact memory and brain regions crucial for cognitive function. 

DE4173

Non-AI response:

tbergs

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.

People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 

I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.

Halifax2TheMax

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.

People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 

I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.

Particularly given you had an accomplished, young candidate who would have governed for all without the bonkers. But you know, “the other.”

mickeyrat

DE4173

Race and sexism played a part in her defeat. There was also the inability to separate from President Biden’s unpopularity, economic concerns and inflation, weak connection with key demographics, short campaign timeline, strategic missteps and messaging, cultural and ideological disconnect, loss of swing states and Trump's effective campaign.

tbergs

DE4173 said:

Race and sexism played a part in her defeat. There was also the inability to separate from President Biden’s unpopularity, economic concerns and inflation, weak connection with key demographics, short campaign timeline, strategic missteps and messaging, cultural and ideological disconnect, loss of swing states and Trump's effective campaign.

This reads like AI.

DE4173

We'll go with "the other" then.

Halifax2TheMax

Insane, lazy, clueless, boorish white male sexual predator versus sane, classy, accomplished, educated, intelligent “other.” Stupid won.

DE4173

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

cincybearcat said:

josevolution said:

Not interested in this at all at this point.

Not interested in what?  Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president?   Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.

And what do you think the goal is from the right on the issue? 

Not that you asked me, but I have no idea what the goal on the right might be... All I can figure is that this scandal (and it is a legit scandal) definitely makes it so the right would have a harder time hiding any medical/cognitive issues with Trump, which is a good thing. 

Some of the details of this are pretty shocking and appalling.... I have to assume that Biden's aids etc really just wanted him to speak into the second term and then he would have stepped down and Harris would be President.... Now that I say it, geez, I really wish it had worked, haha.

DE4173

His recent interview on The View was a mixed bag. He did well by himself and had some good responses. Other times he'd get stuck mid-sentence and do his, "well anyway" safety net.

Dr Biden came out and had to tap in on President Biden's first question while they were together as he hit another roadblock. The other questions, his answers didn't seem to match the question. just went off the campaign script. 

He took ownership of not getting the messaging out about all of his accomplishments while in office.

Took some tough questions and hung in there.

Poncier

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.

People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 

I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.

After the debate if I recall word was, he was good between 10 AM and 4PM but after that got tired or something (forget who stated this). But as I said at the time, POTUIS is not a 6 hour a day job. The last 2+ administrations should be easy arguments for a maximum age to be elected POTUs to go along with the minimum age, but I doubt we ever see that happen. We have 3+ more years of a feeble old man yelling at clouds on his phone from the Oval Office. Maybe after that enough of the populace will catch on and stop voting for geriatric candidates.

Lerxst1992

tbergs said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tbergs said:

The Atlantic published a story by Mark Leibovich that discusses this whole cover-up angle and how you can't really call a cover-up what was there for all to see. The bigger issue was people lying about how "sharp" he was in meetings and behind closed doors. After Trump's term, I hope we can move past electing feeble old men barely hanging on to their minds, whether they're heartless bastards or creepy grandpa types. 12 years of that shit is way too long.

People who think this need to watch the debate again. Every painful minute. No one expected that, because they hid his condition. He never had performed that bad before in any public appearance 

Read the articles. They are saying Biden didn’t recognize people he knew for decades. Had that come out around new years 2024, we’d have had primaries. 

None expect a debate performance like that. Even trump looked stunned how bad Biden was. 

I seriously don't think anyone knew what happened during the debate could happen or they never would have done the debate. It just made it painfully obvious how bad his bad days could be. Go back to the state of the union and you don't see it. I remember wondering how old and out of it will he look and then he seemed pretty good, but his public appearances were always limited so you knew the job was too much for him at that point. Again, I don't think there was a cover-up. Biden had the knowledge and capability, but the strenuous nature of the presidency limited him to being effective less than what any of us want for a president.

It's still crazy to me that for some incoherent feeble old guys shouldn't be president, but crazy incoherent old guys who spew nonsense should be. Bonkers.

From that comment there appears to be a misunderstanding of how dementia presents itself vastly differently in different situations. It appears that you haven’t lived it closely with someone else. If that’s true you are very lucky. This seems very common here. Lots of jokes and thinking trumps cognitive problems are comparable. Folks here just don’t understand. From my experience, dealing with dementia with a distant relative and a close one is a million times different. So misunderstanding is common.

People will do anything to believe what they want, to protect themselves from Truth .That is our right. In addition to Bidens off the rails worst debate performance by any president,  Biden personally knew Clooney for decades and  he didnt recognize him. Clooney said it was so bad he was shaken to his core. So Clooney took two red eye flights within a day to stage a fundraiser for Biden, all to lie about something so obvious we all saw it clearly a few weeks later in that debate?

But I get it, we’ll interpret that any way we choose. Even if a handler had to in 2023 interrupt  Bidens ramblings to end a press conference and… A September 2023 CNN poll showed that "more than half (56 percent) of Democrats — and nearly three-quarters of Americans (73 percent) said they were seriously concerned for Biden's physical and mental competence". The dude on here that likes dog goalies don’t like wiki quotes, but whatevs, I’m gonna use it. That polls D+17% lean exists here.

DE4173

Lerxst1992

DE4173 said:

His recent interview on The View was a mixed bag. He did well by himself and had some good responses. Other times he'd get stuck mid-sentence and do his, "well anyway" safety net.

Dr Biden came out and had to tap in on President Biden's first question while they were together as he hit another roadblock. The other questions, his answers didn't seem to match the question. just went off the campaign script. 

He took ownership of not getting the messaging out about all of his accomplishments while in office.

Took some tough questions and hung in there.

Answering tough questions doesn’t tell us much. Is it something he should have know, that didn’t cause stress? Something he could have been prepared to handle?

Seeing trump on that debate stage, and the anger and hate involved, triggered stress for Biden, which caused a significant dementia incident. The discussion might be that his handlers protected him to limit these types of environments and incidents ,but it doesn’t mean that he didn’t have significant dementia while president, and it was covered up his last year in office.

DE4173

He took some tough questions. The answering portion of those tough questions were a whole other thing. The usual "well anyway," something along the lines of "I'll stop due to time" (uh, that's why you're on the show and he left time on the clock in the debate); the usual ripcord on the conversation parachute.

Of course having Dr. Biden answer for him was yet another clusterfuck, but

 /insert everything's fine gif