Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.
There's lots of photos even video. But George Soros paid off the military to make them go away.
New: The State Department has intervened on behalf of Musk's satellite internet company in five developing nations. In Gambia, U.S. diplomats have lobbied and browbeat at least seven government ministers as part of a “maximum pressure” campaign. https://propub.li/4j5039k
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.
Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.
Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.
Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.
also he never had any idea where he was.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.
Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.
Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.
Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.
also he never had any idea where he was.
But left no evidence.
A million dollar bribe makes people do strange things.
Wait, there aren't photos of Hillary on a tarmac with chests of gold bouillon? You people have been duped. The Biden crime family swindled it all under our noses.
Joe Biden is a criminal mastermind, who is so stupid he can only eat ice cream.
also he never had any idea where he was.
But left no evidence.
A million dollar bribe makes people do strange things.
In a letter to a top U.S. diplomat, U.K. officials voiced concerns about SpaceX’s plans to fly its Starship 9 rocket over British territories in the Caribbean, where debris fell after two of the company's rockets exploded.
The FAA has approved the launch anyway, pending the completion of an investigation into the previous explosion.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
When asked if spending less on politics was driven by any blowback he's weathered in the Trump administration, Musk said: "If I see a reason to do political spending in the future. I will do it. But I don't currently see a reason." Musk, the world's richest person, funneled nearly $300 million into the campaign of President Trump, becoming a top political donor and a symbolically potent ally of the president.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.
TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.
Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?
I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.
And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.
I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.
We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.
The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.
TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.
Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?
I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.
And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.
I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.
We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.
lol...the "left" probably held this company up the last several years.
Get an argument that makes sense please.
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The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.
TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.
Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?
I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.
And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.
I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.
We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.
what has happened in the month since mrussel1 posted that reply? hmm?
reports the musk is stepping away from his "consulting" for fuckstick? which followed clisely behind reporting that the tesla board was considering shitcanning him?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.
TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.
Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?
I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.
And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.
I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.
We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.
lol...the "left" probably held this company up the last several years.
Get an argument that makes sense please.
The argument for Tesla still being an excellent long term investment? It's all in the previous quotes. @mrussel1 says Elon can't throw billions because his net worth is tied up in stock. 100% WRONG! Check debt to equity ratio. He thinks autonomous driving tech is somehow exclusive to EVs. Again, WRONG. He's not guaranteeing Tesla is falling apart. That is laughable. As far as DOGE is concerned, it had a planned termination date from day 1. Finally , in 2024 Tesla sold more vehicles in China than the US. I guess you could consider China left-leaning!
The real value of Tesla will be realized with mass adoption of autonomous vehicles, robotaxi in the near term. They were light years ahead of everyone in EV engineering so there's no reason to doubt they will lead in self driving vehicles. The loosening of government regulations will speed up their timeline for nationwide fully autonomous vehicles. If Elon lost 90% of his customer base by switching his political stance his company will still gain in value when robotaxis are deployed in every major city.
This is the only strategy that Team Elon and his inglorious defenders point to today. Their trailing 12 EPS is $1.74!! Their TTM PE is $163. By contrast, Toyota's EPS is 28.76 with a PE of $28.67. This makes it perfectly clear that TSLA continues to be way over-priced against their fundamentals. At some point, very soon, they will start trading like a car manufacturer. I would not want a strong position in the company when that happens.
I know this talking point around robotaxis and autonomous vehicles is rampant in the right wing ecosystem It appears you might inhabit that space. But it's a pipe dream, particularly in the next decade. Buyers continue to move away from pure EV and towards hybrid so moving to full autonomous is WAY OFF in the future. Americans are not ready for that and the safety isn't in place either. Last, robotaxis.. sure. Do a little research on the power of the taxi unions in major cities across the US. It took Uber a decade to break into the Vegas market.
TSLA is a terrible investment.
Tesla is a tech company that sells cars. I used to think Elon had too many irons in the fire, but never doubted his vision. I'm not a financial adviser and this is not financial advice. Tesla has outperformed every company in the Mag 7 except Nvidia in the last 5 years. There could come a day when Optimus robots are building robots and everyone will regret letting emotions and politics dictate their portfolio.
TSLA is priced like a tech start company, meaning investors were focused on the top line. For mature companies, you are not priced on revenue, you are priced EBIT, or the equivalent. When you are 15 years into public trading, you don't get to be a tech start-up anymore. Some investors have stuck with TSLA, obviously, but look at their fundamentals. They are years away from robo or autonomous being profitable. So until then, they have to rely on the car manufacturing as their profit and cash engine since tech is nothing but a cash burn.
Regarding the Mag 7, who cares? What you did the last five years is irrelevant to your future position. When your profits drop 71% in a quarter, that's a problem. And when that drop is almost solely based on the political actions of your CEO, who somehow decided to alienate his customer base, that's even a bigger problem. This is the right wing version of Bud Light, but even more painful since Bud Light was a brand within a much larger company.
Someone said Tesla is a terrible investment. The majority of analysts have it as a buy or hold. Good investments are long term. You say they are years away from robotaxis and autonomous vehicles being profitable, but isn't that when you want to buy. I said earlier that Elon seemed to have too many irons in the fire. I used to think that was a bad thing. Now, looking forward, any segment of Tesla could take it to the next level. Energy generation and storage segment was up 67% with 10B in revenue. Optimus robots are being field tested for factory work. Robotaxis are in beta testing with FSD (Supervised) in Texas and California. And then there's the wild card. Elon Musk, as stated earlier can throw billions at any idea he or his employees come up with. What happens if they decide to build a hybrid or plug in hybrid?
I said it's a bad investment. Their 12 month consensus target price is $289 per share. It's at $280 right now. Yes analysts are split between buy and hold, but there are sells in there too. And Musk can't just "throw billions" when 40% of his net worth is wrapped up in TSLA stock. You still have to find a way to monetize the technology and it isn't clear how you do that in the next decade.
And yes, they could build a hybrid. But who buys hybrids, MAGA guys? Negative. It goes back to him trashing his own brand and pissing off his natural consumer base.
I'm not guaranteeing TSLA is falling apart, but you are not the first right wing person I've heard with these same arguments. Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically.
We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.
lol...the "left" probably held this company up the last several years.
Get an argument that makes sense please.
The argument for Tesla still being an excellent long term investment? It's all in the previous quotes. @mrussel1 says Elon can't throw billions because his net worth is tied up in stock. 100% WRONG! Check debt to equity ratio. He thinks autonomous driving tech is somehow exclusive to EVs. Again, WRONG. He's not guaranteeing Tesla is falling apart. That is laughable. As far as DOGE is concerned, it had a planned termination date from day 1. Finally , in 2024 Tesla sold more vehicles in China than the US. I guess you could consider China left-leaning!
I say that I think TSLA is a bad LTI and you post a 30 day look and say I'm wrong. Unless you're a gnat, 30 days is not long term. TSLA is erratic as shown by your chart, and if you extend it out a few years, you see huge peaks and valleys. And that was before Musk decided to alienate his US customers.
Look, you can throw money at a company with a TTM P/E of $208, but I don't find that to be a particularly good value. That's all well and good if you are in your first few years of public trading, but they are not.
You bring up China and that is a growth market for them, but they only grew 8.8% YOY, not exactly gangbusters. And Chinese competition is growing. You don't think Xi might put his thumb on that industry a bit?
Should we talk about the 49% reduction in European sales for TSLA? They had that drop when teh market itself grew by 27%.
Why not go back and read what I actually said. "Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically."
Elon Musk criticizes Trump’s ‘big beautiful bill,’ a fracture in a key relationship
Updated 3:23 PM CDT, May 28, 2025
WASHINGTON (AP) — Elon Musk is criticizing the centerpiece of President Donald Trump’s legislative agenda, a significant fracture in a partnership that was forged during last year’s campaign and was poised to reshape American politics and the federal government.
The billionaire entrepreneur, who supported Trump’s candidacy with at least $250 million and has worked for his administration as a senior adviser, said he was “disappointed” by what the president calls his “big beautiful bill.”
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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All
the money in the world couldn’t rescue Elon Musk from Washington
politics. The Beltway bunch made their decision: “Enough!” they said,
and without so much as an adios, he was run out of town. The eccentric,
multibillionaire conspiracy theorist, who was once joined at the hip
with the president, has suddenly found himself untethered from Trump.
And
just like that, Musk is relegated to the end of the receiving line. As
Harry Truman once quipped of Washington, if you want a friend, get a
dog.
These
days Musk can’t get the time of day from Trump. Why? All that cash to
help elect the president and the MAGA faithful can’t hide the most
important numbers: approval ratings. Musk’s are terrible — worse than
Trump’s, if you can believe that. Musk’s stench is rubbing off on his
former “first buddy.”
During
his four-month tenure, Musk quickly became one of the most disliked
unelected officials ever. Can you think of anyone who comes close?
It
all came to an ignominious end last night, with zero fanfare. Via a
post on his social media platform, X, Musk formally announced he’s
leaving the administration. He received no grand send-off, no Oval
Office farewell, not even an “attaboy” from Trump.
Musk
confirmed the news and thanked Trump for the opportunity, adding: “The
@DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life
throughout the government.”
Don’t
bet the ranch on that. He came in, chainsaw revving, with the mandate
to slash and burn his way through the federal bureaucracy. At first he
claimed he would find $2 trillion dollars in “waste, fraud and abuse.”
He quickly adjusted the goal to $1 trillion, then downsized again to
$150 billion.
It’s
impossible to know what the actual number will be, and the White House
isn’t saying. We also don’t know how many jobs he’s eliminated. It’s in
the tens of thousands, maybe more — but again, the administration is not
bragging or even talking about it. They likely don’t know since many of
the firings and layoffs have been stopped or reversed by the courts.
And then the proverbial straw for Musk was the passage of the House budget bill, which hikes
the deficit by more than $2 trillion, wiping out any “savings” he found
with his firing and cuts. It was Washington’s way of saying, “Thanks,
we’ll take it from here.” Musk, his feelings hurt, was gone in less than
a week.
But
the nail in Musk’s political coffin was hammered much earlier and many
miles from D.C. In early April, Musk spent $20 million to help a
Republican candidate win a seat on the Wisconsin State Supreme Court —
only to see his candidate lose the race to a Democrat by double digits.
That
was all the White House needed to see. Without Trump on the ballot,
Musk and his toxicity became a big-time liability. Yes, they’ll still
take his money, but only on the down-low, please. And he’s still likely
to receive big government contracts for his varied businesses.
For all the damage Musk has done, the biggest hit may be to his
reputation and that of his companies. Tesla is tanking, as evidenced by
a 71% drop in quarterly profits and a 13% decline in year-over-year
sales. A coalition of shareholders is demanding Musk now commit at least
40 hours a week to his electric car company. Musk admitted in an
interview with Ars Technica that he “probably did spend a bit too much
time on politics.”
So
here we are with another fine Trump-made mess: DOGE, the Department of
Government Efficiency, isn’t really a department, and it hasn’t created
more efficiency. It wasn’t mandated or funded by Congress but by a Trump
executive order. Its mission is a mystery to many in the Capital. Safe
to say politicians of all stripes are happy to see Musk exiting the
Beltway and just wish DOGE would follow its leader.
Musk
has already decamped from Washington, retreating to the wilds of south
Texas, where he’s now devoting his time and money to keeping his rockets
in the air and his car business afloat.
He
never played well with others, so he petulantly stomped his
metaphorical feet when he didn’t get to do exactly what he wanted to do.
Oligarchs and democracy don’t mix. It will take years to rebuild our
government and to replace the expertise he pushed out the door.
But
for all the pain he inflicted on thousands of government workers and
programs he destroyed, do not forget that Musk’s empire was built,
according to TheWashington Post, with $38 billion in government funding through contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits.
Yikes… Elon Musk looked like he was on something during his press conference with Trump today. This comes after the NYT reported that his drug use was far more extensive than previously reported…
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It’s a shame more American heroes like WWII vets weren’t alive & able to speak up when this modern day “American Hero” Seig Heiled “spoke from the heart” back in January.
Not that Trump or the MAGA’s would have listened to those “suckers & losers”, but it’s still regrettable.
New Jersey has decided to decommission the Tesla Superchargers on the NJ Turnpike and they will be replaced with universal chargers from applegreenelectric instead on June 6th. Tesla offered a lower price than Applegreen to upgrade the existing units to Magic Dock, but Elon Musk will be costing New Jersey billions of dollars in federal aid, so the decision was made to end the contract with his company.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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The FAA has approved the launch anyway, pending the completion of an investigation into the previous explosion.
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We can revisit this at end of year, right now, your bear thesis doesn't seem to be holding up against the actual market. Maybe you've overestimated the Left's ability to make or break a Trillion dollar company.
Get an argument that makes sense please.
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Look, you can throw money at a company with a TTM P/E of $208, but I don't find that to be a particularly good value. That's all well and good if you are in your first few years of public trading, but they are not.
You bring up China and that is a growth market for them, but they only grew 8.8% YOY, not exactly gangbusters. And Chinese competition is growing. You don't think Xi might put his thumb on that industry a bit?
Should we talk about the 49% reduction in European sales for TSLA? They had that drop when teh market itself grew by 27%.
Why not go back and read what I actually said. "Sorry, there's many better places to invest that aren't so tied up politically."
Elon Musk criticizes Trump’s ‘big beautiful bill,’ a fracture in a key relationship
WASHINGTON (AP) — Elon Musk is criticizing the centerpiece of President Donald Trump’s legislative agenda, a significant fracture in a partnership that was forged during last year’s campaign and was poised to reshape American politics and the federal government.
The billionaire entrepreneur, who supported Trump’s candidacy with at least $250 million and has worked for his administration as a senior adviser, said he was “disappointed” by what the president calls his “big beautiful bill.”
continued at
https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-donald-trump-big-beautiful-bill-aa2bc70b0ebdb219b5dd3e9f8fae03af
tesla is basically dead in the water in europe now.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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See Ya!
And don’t let the door hit you on your way out
All the money in the world couldn’t rescue Elon Musk from Washington politics. The Beltway bunch made their decision: “Enough!” they said, and without so much as an adios, he was run out of town. The eccentric, multibillionaire conspiracy theorist, who was once joined at the hip with the president, has suddenly found himself untethered from Trump.
And just like that, Musk is relegated to the end of the receiving line. As Harry Truman once quipped of Washington, if you want a friend, get a dog.
These days Musk can’t get the time of day from Trump. Why? All that cash to help elect the president and the MAGA faithful can’t hide the most important numbers: approval ratings. Musk’s are terrible — worse than Trump’s, if you can believe that. Musk’s stench is rubbing off on his former “first buddy.”
During his four-month tenure, Musk quickly became one of the most disliked unelected officials ever. Can you think of anyone who comes close?
It all came to an ignominious end last night, with zero fanfare. Via a post on his social media platform, X, Musk formally announced he’s leaving the administration. He received no grand send-off, no Oval Office farewell, not even an “attaboy” from Trump.
Musk confirmed the news and thanked Trump for the opportunity, adding: “The @DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government.”
Don’t bet the ranch on that. He came in, chainsaw revving, with the mandate to slash and burn his way through the federal bureaucracy. At first he claimed he would find $2 trillion dollars in “waste, fraud and abuse.” He quickly adjusted the goal to $1 trillion, then downsized again to $150 billion.
It’s impossible to know what the actual number will be, and the White House isn’t saying. We also don’t know how many jobs he’s eliminated. It’s in the tens of thousands, maybe more — but again, the administration is not bragging or even talking about it. They likely don’t know since many of the firings and layoffs have been stopped or reversed by the courts.
And then the proverbial straw for Musk was the passage of the House budget bill, which hikes the deficit by more than $2 trillion, wiping out any “savings” he found with his firing and cuts. It was Washington’s way of saying, “Thanks, we’ll take it from here.” Musk, his feelings hurt, was gone in less than a week.
But the nail in Musk’s political coffin was hammered much earlier and many miles from D.C. In early April, Musk spent $20 million to help a Republican candidate win a seat on the Wisconsin State Supreme Court — only to see his candidate lose the race to a Democrat by double digits.
That was all the White House needed to see. Without Trump on the ballot, Musk and his toxicity became a big-time liability. Yes, they’ll still take his money, but only on the down-low, please. And he’s still likely to receive big government contracts for his varied businesses.
For all the damage Musk has done, the biggest hit may be to his reputation and that of his companies. Tesla is tanking, as evidenced by a 71% drop in quarterly profits and a 13% decline in year-over-year sales. A coalition of shareholders is demanding Musk now commit at least 40 hours a week to his electric car company. Musk admitted in an interview with Ars Technica that he “probably did spend a bit too much time on politics.”
So here we are with another fine Trump-made mess: DOGE, the Department of Government Efficiency, isn’t really a department, and it hasn’t created more efficiency. It wasn’t mandated or funded by Congress but by a Trump executive order. Its mission is a mystery to many in the Capital. Safe to say politicians of all stripes are happy to see Musk exiting the Beltway and just wish DOGE would follow its leader.
Musk has already decamped from Washington, retreating to the wilds of south Texas, where he’s now devoting his time and money to keeping his rockets in the air and his car business afloat.
He never played well with others, so he petulantly stomped his metaphorical feet when he didn’t get to do exactly what he wanted to do. Oligarchs and democracy don’t mix. It will take years to rebuild our government and to replace the expertise he pushed out the door.
But for all the pain he inflicted on thousands of government workers and programs he destroyed, do not forget that Musk’s empire was built, according to The Washington Post, with $38 billion in government funding through contracts, loans, subsidies, and tax credits.
You’re welcome, Elon.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I definitely agree with you - Elon Musk is an American hero!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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