Not interested in what? Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president? Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.
My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.
You must have missed the debate....it was the nail in the coffin and it was what anyone around him had to be seeing on a regular basis.
I saw it...it was bad in parts. Not bad in other parts. But again....he's an old man acting like an old man.
Thirty-five Congressional Democrats wanted President Biden to step aside as the result of the debate because he acted like an old man?
We didn't need an old man so....yeah
It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate wasn't an old man.
It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate was determined to have deteriorating health.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate was determined to have deteriorating health.
uh, the current president thinks he invented the word equalizing.
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate was determined to have deteriorating health.
uh, the current president thinks he invented the word equalizing.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate was determined to have deteriorating health.
uh, the current president thinks he invented the word equalizing.
you completely missed the point of Merkin's comment that you uncleverly tried to turn around. No one seems to care about cognitive decline now that it's a republican in office. Get it now?
"every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"
Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
How do you know what they thought?
I don't know what they thought.
My point was if he wasn't an "old man" pre-debate on 6/27/24, did the +1 day (6/28/25) age him immensely to become too old to run deemed by Congressional Democrats?
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
How do you know what they thought?
I don't know what they thought.
My point was if he wasn't an "old man" pre-debate on 6/27/24, did the +1 day (6/28/25) age him immensely to become too old to run deemed by Congressional Democrats?
Do you think every Democrat on the Hill has contact with him constantly to evaluate him? Or do you think maybe they saw him like we did?
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Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.
I hate people so much. I’m so glad I don’t have to listen to any political bullshit in my daily life unless I purposely subject myself to it here. Sorry you have to listen to nonsense like that.
Nick, some time ago you suggested my participation on AMT seemed unhealthy for me (I forget the exact words). Your telling me that was one of the factors that has led me to backing off from AMT quite it bit, and being immersed in soul scarring news so often. Not that it isn't important to stay informed, or care, or even try to make a difference, but unless one has that stamina of a Heather Cox Richardson, or the ability to compartmentalize like my wife does (she can rail against tyrants one minute, and be in a very calm and centered space the next), it's just not healthy to let current events destroy your peace of mind and physical well-being. I'm as unhappy as ever about this current administration, but by not being as obsessed with and over-indulging in current events as I was for a long time, I'm a healthier, and probably more likeable, person than I was for far too long.
Thank you!
Nick also created peace in my life by suggesting I find a picture of a shirtless Ben Affleck to use as an avatar. It changed my life. Never been so fulfilled in every possible way. Thank you Nick.
Dude people on the job site I am on are saying he got cancer for granting pardons to all the radical liberals.
I hate people so much. I’m so glad I don’t have to listen to any political bullshit in my daily life unless I purposely subject myself to it here. Sorry you have to listen to nonsense like that.
Nick, some time ago you suggested my participation on AMT seemed unhealthy for me (I forget the exact words). Your telling me that was one of the factors that has led me to backing off from AMT quite it bit, and being immersed in soul scarring news so often. Not that it isn't important to stay informed, or care, or even try to make a difference, but unless one has that stamina of a Heather Cox Richardson, or the ability to compartmentalize like my wife does (she can rail against tyrants one minute, and be in a very calm and centered space the next), it's just not healthy to let current events destroy your peace of mind and physical well-being. I'm as unhappy as ever about this current administration, but by not being as obsessed with and over-indulging in current events as I was for a long time, I'm a healthier, and probably more likeable, person than I was for far too long.
Thank you!
Nick also created peace in my life by suggesting I find a picture of a shirtless Ben Affleck to use as an avatar. It changed my life. Never been so fulfilled in every possible way. Thank you Nick.
My pleasure
There’s NOTHING better than looking at your avatar while you’re going off on some serious political debate. I can’t tell you happy I am you kept it.
You guys are goofballs!
(I love it!)
I also want to shout out to gimmesometruth27 who, by suggested keeping a journal, also helped me to seek a more peaceful and productive direction. Thank you, bud!
And please know that nothing I am saying here means I have any dislike or disregard for any of you. Each of us must find our way through the tangle we live in, and that's OK as long it it works for you and no one is harmed by it.
Not interested in what? Understanding that Joe Biden was in severe decline and people tried to hide it despite him being unfit to be president? Seems pretty important...and I will say it seemed obvious to anyone that wasn't a Dem lemming.
I'm not a Dem lemming (or maybe I am?) and I think it's bullshit.
My dad has early dementia and Joe Biden is no where near that. Biden is still able to give speeches (he just did a week ago) and yes, he's old, he stutters, he loses his thoughts, etc., but "severe decline" is a stretch.
no lemming here. Agree. He still speaks with more conviction and knowledge than Trump ever has.
Ah here we go again….back to Trump.
i also didn’t and do not think Trump is fit to be president. He’s mentally unstable in a different way. But the Biden issue was clear for anyone to see that cared to.
Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
How do you know what they thought?
I don't know what they thought.
My point was if he wasn't an "old man" pre-debate on 6/27/24, did the +1 day (6/28/25) age him immensely to become too old to run deemed by Congressional Democrats?
Do you think every Democrat on the Hill has contact with him constantly to evaluate him? Or do you think maybe they saw him like we did?
My uneducated guess is they saw his health deteriorating a while before the debate and immediately afterwards, based on his performance, they started to discuss decided to move on from him.
It's my belief that it wasn't an age issue as some here a are pointing to. Like before the debate everything was fine, but afterwards, in the group chat, people are saying, "Ya'll think Joe is too old to run again? That day really did a number on him."
I don't think all had constant contact with him, but they had to have made their decision based on something, right? My guess is the people who had contact with him and felt obligated to share what they knew and reached out to others.
There is also a difference between what we saw. Some people noticed things that were questionable and spoke up and were treated a certain way and then there were others that explained it away as the usual, "He has a stutter, what about/now do Trump, he's a gaffe machine", etc.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate was determined to have deteriorating health.
uh, the current president thinks he invented the word equalizing.
you completely missed the point of Merkin's comment that you uncleverly tried to turn around. No one seems to care about cognitive decline now that it's a republican in office. Get it now?
I'm not clever, whatsoever. No, really.
"It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate wasn't an old man."
It didn't mention cognitive decline.
I took that post as: people were "worried" about Biden's age (81) until he dropped out, but okay with with old man (78) staying in.
My opinion, in which I'm fine with being wrong, and sounding like a broken record at this point, is that age wasn't an issue as much as President Biden's decline was. Stories have been around for a while and with the election being lost to the other party, there'll be more info to come.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
If it took the debate to question his decline, you weren't paying attention. People seem to think being hyper-focused on trump during biden’s term was doing them a favor. His presidency was greatly sheltered for a reason, and the majority of democrats didn’t even notice. I'm just glad the great awakening finally occurred, albeit far too late.
Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
How do you know what they thought?
I don't know what they thought.
My point was if he wasn't an "old man" pre-debate on 6/27/24, did the +1 day (6/28/25) age him immensely to become too old to run deemed by Congressional Democrats?
Do you think every Democrat on the Hill has contact with him constantly to evaluate him? Or do you think maybe they saw him like we did?
My uneducated guess is they saw his health deteriorating a while before the debate and immediately afterwards, based on his performance, they started to discuss decided to move on from him.
It's my belief that it wasn't an age issue as some here a are pointing to. Like before the debate everything was fine, but afterwards, in the group chat, people are saying, "Ya'll think Joe is too old to run again? That day really did a number on him."
I don't think all had constant contact with him, but they had to have made their decision based on something, right? My guess is the people who had contact with him and felt obligated to share what they knew and reached out to others.
There is also a difference between what we saw. Some people noticed things that were questionable and spoke up and were treated a certain way and then there were others that explained it away as the usual, "He has a stutter, what about/now do Trump, he's a gaffe machine", etc.
If it took the debate to question his decline, you weren't paying attention. People seem to think being hyper-focused on trump during biden’s term was doing them a favor. His presidency was greatly sheltered for a reason, and the majority of democrats didn’t even notice. I'm just glad the great awakening finally occurred, albeit far too late.
Are you old enough to remember second term Reagan? Certainly up until the debate, Biden seemed no more impaired than Reagan.
The lesson here is cut with the old ass president bullshit. Including the deranged guy currently in the WH
Thirty-five Congressional Democrats didn't think President Biden was an old man leading up to the evening of 6/27/24, but the next day decided he was an old man.
How do you know what they thought?
I don't know what they thought.
My point was if he wasn't an "old man" pre-debate on 6/27/24, did the +1 day (6/28/25) age him immensely to become too old to run deemed by Congressional Democrats?
Do you think every Democrat on the Hill has contact with him constantly to evaluate him? Or do you think maybe they saw him like we did?
My uneducated guess is they saw his health deteriorating a while before the debate and immediately afterwards, based on his performance, they started to discuss decided to move on from him.
It's my belief that it wasn't an age issue as some here a are pointing to. Like before the debate everything was fine, but afterwards, in the group chat, people are saying, "Ya'll think Joe is too old to run again? That day really did a number on him."
I don't think all had constant contact with him, but they had to have made their decision based on something, right? My guess is the people who had contact with him and felt obligated to share what they knew and reached out to others.
There is also a difference between what we saw. Some people noticed things that were questionable and spoke up and were treated a certain way and then there were others that explained it away as the usual, "He has a stutter, what about/now do Trump, he's a gaffe machine", etc.
Who is they? Who are some people?
They = Do you think every Democrat on the Hill has contact with him constantly to evaluate him?
Some people = Or do you think maybe they saw him like we did?
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
I was not old enough to be paying attention to politics during reagan’s second term. I, and seemingly others here seem to have witnessed troubling signs before the debate in this instance, however. I’m all for age limits. It’s the logical thing to do, imo.
If it took the debate to question his decline, you weren't paying attention. People seem to think being hyper-focused on trump during biden’s term was doing them a favor. His presidency was greatly sheltered for a reason, and the majority of democrats didn’t even notice. I'm just glad the great awakening finally occurred, albeit far too late.
The last year of his presidency. The fact that the debate performance was so horrific, so off the charts terrible is evidence that they hid his condition. No one outside of hardcore republicans saw that coming, and I think even trump was surprised it was that bad, based on his reactions during the debate.. Also, administration members now fighting back Tappers book are “anonymous” not willing to go on the record when defending Biden. Interesting.
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Welp.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
My point was if he wasn't an "old man" pre-debate on 6/27/24, did the +1 day (6/28/25) age him immensely to become too old to run deemed by Congressional Democrats?
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
i also didn’t and do not think Trump is fit to be president. He’s mentally unstable in a different way. But the Biden issue was clear for anyone to see that cared to.
It's my belief that it wasn't an age issue as some here a
are pointing to. Like before the debate everything was fine, but afterwards, in the group chat, people are saying, "Ya'll think Joe is too old to run again? That day really did a number on him."
I don't think all had constant contact with him, but they had to have made their decision based on something, right? My guess is the people who had contact with him and felt obligated to share what they knew and reached out to others.
There is also a difference between what we saw. Some people noticed things that were questionable and spoke up and were treated a certain way and then there were others that explained it away as the usual, "He has a stutter, what about/now do Trump, he's a gaffe machine", etc.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
"It's funny how many people stopped worrying about having an old man as president once the democratic candidate wasn't an old man."
It didn't mention cognitive decline.
I took that post as: people were "worried" about Biden's age (81) until he dropped out, but okay with with old man (78) staying in.
My opinion, in which I'm fine with being wrong, and sounding like a broken record at this point, is that age wasn't an issue as much as President Biden's decline was. Stories have been around for a while and with the election being lost to the other party, there'll be more info to come.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Some people = Or do you think maybe they saw him like we did?
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth