I wish I could say the same. Don't get my wrong-- if this happened in my home town and especially if someone I knew were gunned down (and unfortunately, I have known the pain of someone I knew, an innocent, who was shot and killed), then yes, I would feel heartbroken and horrified. But because this is a regularly recurring situation in this country, my reaction anymore is a dull sense of disgust and disappointment in something that is all too familiar. These incidents bring out a fair amount of cynicism and disappointment in me.
I totally understand your viewpoint and feelings of cynicism and disappointment.
The only solution I see is to vote in the party with a large enough majority to pass meaningful and effective common-sense gun legislation. Unless they get a big enough majority and manage to make that a priority before the next time midterm elections occur, then it will be more of the same.
1993: 11/22 Little Rock
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa 2022: 9/20 OKC 2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
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I totally understand your viewpoint and feelings of cynicism and disappointment.
The only solution I see is to vote in the party with a large enough majority to pass meaningful and effective common-sense gun legislation. Unless they get a big enough majority and manage to make that a priority before the next time midterm elections occur, then it will be more of the same.
The NRA lobby is strong. They spend millions on politicians. The second amendment is written in stone. It will take a nationwide movement, over a few years, for things to change. Which is a shame. Unfortunately, there are states where it is easy to get guns and ammunition. Every time I go to Japan I am amazed that the police do not carry guns and has one of the lowest rate of gun deaths in the world. You can go to a strange bar with naked ladies. But have a gun, and you go to jail. Maybe something we can learn from them.
I figured the NRA itself is weaker now than its ever been, but I have no knowledge/proof of that.
I agree with a nationwide movement over an extended period of time for meaningful change to occur.
A majority of citizens want common sense gun reform, but they don't want to elect the officials in the numbers needed for that to happen.
The NRA is still there, they just do not have a movie star as a frontman. Their money still buys policy. How many more school shootings do we need? Kids being killed because access to guns is too easy. Walk into a gun store and leave fully armed. Then drive across state lines and sell it for triple. But yet all people talk about is how their new air fryer might cost $50 more because of tariffs. It is a sad state of affairs.
The NRA lobby is strong. They spend millions on politicians. The second amendment is written in stone. It will take a nationwide movement, over a few years, for things to change. Which is a shame. Unfortunately, there are states where it is easy to get guns and ammunition. Every time I go to Japan I am amazed that the police do not carry guns and has one of the lowest rate of gun deaths in the world. You can go to a strange bar with naked ladies. But have a gun, and you go to jail. Maybe something we can learn from them.
The Second Amendment never changed, it’s that the gun lobby started a misinformation campaign regarding its meaning decades ago, and bought off congress to have “pro Second Amendment” judges put in place.
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I'm thinking we need a "Gnus with guns" thread. What do you think?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Phoenix Ikner, the 20-year-old who killed 2 people and injured 6 others in the school shooting at Florida State University yesterday, is a registered Republican Trump supporter who wore a MAGA hat and espoused white supremacist views.
Not an immigrant. Not Hispanic. Not a drag queen. Not transgender. Not Muslim. A white dude with a gun.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Phoenix Ikner, the 20-year-old who killed 2 people and injured 6 others in the school shooting at Florida State University yesterday, is a registered Republican Trump supporter who wore a MAGA hat and espoused white supremacist views.
Not an immigrant. Not Hispanic. Not a drag queen. Not transgender. Not Muslim. A white dude with a gun.
Too bad they took him alive now he’ll be praised at some point by someone in this administration or the maga sphere will! I’m surprised Elon hasn’t put up bail money yet
Phoenix Ikner, the 20-year-old who killed 2 people and injured 6 others in the school shooting at Florida State University yesterday, is a registered Republican Trump supporter who wore a MAGA hat and espoused white supremacist views.
Not an immigrant. Not Hispanic. Not a drag queen. Not transgender. Not Muslim. A white dude with a gun.
Phoenix Ikner, the 20-year-old who killed 2 people and injured 6 others in the school shooting at Florida State University yesterday, is a registered Republican Trump supporter who wore a MAGA hat and espoused white supremacist views.
Not an immigrant. Not Hispanic. Not a drag queen. Not transgender. Not Muslim. A white dude with a gun.
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
I wish I could say the same. Don't get my wrong-- if this happened in my home town and especially if someone I knew were gunned down (and unfortunately, I have known the pain of someone I knew, an innocent, who was shot and killed), then yes, I would feel heartbroken and horrified. But because this is a regularly recurring situation in this country, my reaction anymore is a dull sense of disgust and disappointment in something that is all too familiar. These incidents bring out a fair amount of cynicism and disappointment in me.
The only solution I see is to vote in the party with a large enough majority to pass meaningful and effective common-sense gun legislation. Unless they get a big enough majority and manage to make that a priority before the next time midterm elections occur, then it will be more of the same.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Very true, DE. Well said.
I agree with a nationwide movement over an extended period of time for meaningful change to occur.
A majority of citizens want common sense gun reform, but they don't want to elect the officials in the numbers needed for that to happen.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
The NRA is still there, they just do not have a movie star as a frontman. Their money still buys policy. How many more school shootings do we need? Kids being killed because access to guns is too easy. Walk into a gun store and leave fully armed. Then drive across state lines and sell it for triple. But yet all people talk about is how their new air fryer might cost $50 more because of tariffs. It is a sad state of affairs.
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not an immigrant. Not Hispanic. Not a drag queen. Not transgender. Not Muslim. A white dude with a gun.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14624257/amp/fsu-gunman-phoenix-ikner-white-supremacist-republican.html
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
The honest answer, of course, would be, "To greater assure a clean kill." That is the only purpose for that weapon.