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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,078
    IDK if it's a spoof or not, but my buddy sent me a reddit link about a lawsuit someone's trying to put together after the debacle Saturday night. 

    Good luck with that. 
    Oh cripes. If you can sue for not liking a set I gotta see if the statute of limitations is up on a Maiden show I saw in 2006.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,749
    We went to the first Wilco destination event in Mexico in 2020.

    They played three of the four nights with no repeats!  60 unique songs over 3 nights.

    The food was amazing too!
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,078
    JOEJOEJOE said:
    We went to the first Wilco destination event in Mexico in 2020.

    They played three of the four nights with no repeats!  60 unique songs over 3 nights.

    The food was amazing too!
    This was my experience with My Morning Jacket's One Big Holiday. Went to the first two. The effort showed and they were just an incredible time.

    I will say that the prices on these things have really ballooned over 10 years though.
  • brewdog123brewdog123 ATL Posts: 676
    there are bands that know how to plan and pull off these mexico weekends that are enjoyable for the band and fans.  tool is not one of them. saw this coming a mile away. love tool, would not have considered this trip for a millisecond
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  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 964
    Night 1

    Fear Inoculum
    Jambi
    Forty Six and 2
    Pneuma
    Intolerance
    The Grudge
    Rosetta Stoned
    Schism
    Swamp Song
    Ænema

    Night 2

    Stinkfist
    The Pot
    Parabola
    Eulogy
    Descending
    Flood
    Vicarious
    Sober
    Invincible
    Lateralus

    That's not my dream two sets-I'd pepper them with goodies I haven't heard before. But all those save Eulogy and Lateralus have been in the set consistently since FI got released and I reckon that would be pretty reasonable to expect something similar. Given this is an audience of die hands I'd throw in Eulogy as the holy shit moment and end with Lateralus given it's a signature song. Shame that the sets didn't get close to what people were hoping/expecting.






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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,881
    I’m a drummer. DC is my favorite drummer.  Why is CCT still being played? They don’t even have to pull out rarities to fulfill a no repeat 2 shows. Ridiculous but not surprised. 
  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 964
    Yeah Danny is my favourite too but would much rather see another song than watch him exhibit 10 minutes of drum wank. Because the songs have enough wank in them to keep the drummers interested.

    Junior just posted on Fourtheye and said the promoter tagged on the two unique sets part without the band knowing. So while I still reckon it was a missed opportunity the promoter cops a part of the blame here.
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,881
    JT167846 said:
    Yeah Danny is my favourite too but would much rather see another song than watch him exhibit 10 minutes of drum wank. Because the songs have enough wank in them to keep the drummers interested.

    Junior just posted on Fourtheye and said the promoter tagged on the two unique sets part without the band knowing. So while I still reckon it was a missed opportunity the promoter cops a part of the blame here.
    Promoter or not. They should WANT to play 2 diff sets for people willing to spend the money and attend. It’s literally 20 songs. Ridiculous lol. 
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,703
    nicknyr15 said:
    JT167846 said:
    Yeah Danny is my favourite too but would much rather see another song than watch him exhibit 10 minutes of drum wank. Because the songs have enough wank in them to keep the drummers interested.

    Junior just posted on Fourtheye and said the promoter tagged on the two unique sets part without the band knowing. So while I still reckon it was a missed opportunity the promoter cops a part of the blame here.
    Promoter or not. They should WANT to play 2 diff sets for people willing to spend the money and attend. It’s literally 20 songs. Ridiculous lol. 
    Reason I don't need to see simultaneous tours and/or back to back shows.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,157
    Considering they changed the wording about 2 unique setlists some time ago (at least from what I read), it had crossed my mind that the comment Maynard made during N2 might have been more a jab at the promoters than the audience, but the timing couldn't have been any worse. They had that crowd in the palm of their hands before they even took the stage and drove that train right off the tracks. They f'ed that up something fierce (not that they care). 

    RE: Chocolate Chip Trip - yeah, enough already. They've been playing that (or at least some version of it) for going on at least 10 years... give it a rest, especially in a 90 minute set. 
  • JT167846JT167846 Posts: 964
    nicknyr15 said:
    JT167846 said:
    Yeah Danny is my favourite too but would much rather see another song than watch him exhibit 10 minutes of drum wank. Because the songs have enough wank in them to keep the drummers interested.

    Junior just posted on Fourtheye and said the promoter tagged on the two unique sets part without the band knowing. So while I still reckon it was a missed opportunity the promoter cops a part of the blame here.
    Promoter or not. They should WANT to play 2 diff sets for people willing to spend the money and attend. It’s literally 20 songs. Ridiculous lol. 
    Same page...see my suggested sets a few posts back
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    Padova 2018
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,881
    JT167846 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    JT167846 said:
    Yeah Danny is my favourite too but would much rather see another song than watch him exhibit 10 minutes of drum wank. Because the songs have enough wank in them to keep the drummers interested.

    Junior just posted on Fourtheye and said the promoter tagged on the two unique sets part without the band knowing. So while I still reckon it was a missed opportunity the promoter cops a part of the blame here.
    Promoter or not. They should WANT to play 2 diff sets for people willing to spend the money and attend. It’s literally 20 songs. Ridiculous lol. 
    Same page...see my suggested sets a few posts back
    I did. I agree with you 100% 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,078
    nicknyr15 said:
    JT167846 said:
    Yeah Danny is my favourite too but would much rather see another song than watch him exhibit 10 minutes of drum wank. Because the songs have enough wank in them to keep the drummers interested.

    Junior just posted on Fourtheye and said the promoter tagged on the two unique sets part without the band knowing. So while I still reckon it was a missed opportunity the promoter cops a part of the blame here.
    Promoter or not. They should WANT to play 2 diff sets for people willing to spend the money and attend. It’s literally 20 songs. Ridiculous lol. 
    Lol exactly. Promoter was trying to save them from themselves I guess. "They shouldn't have led you to believe we wouldn't repeat songs because we were definitely planning to do that." Oh well then my apologies.
  • GB281198GB281198 Virginia Posts: 587
    They did manage to have two unique posters
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,078
    GB281198 said:
    They did manage to have two unique posters
    Did you see the third? 

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ToolBand/s/FEosMGKy0c
  • GB281198GB281198 Virginia Posts: 587
    No that wasn't in my daily merch email 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,078
    edited March 12
    GB281198 said:
    No that wasn't in my daily merch email 
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  • given2fly23given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 5,954
    I wonder if this was intended to be an annual Tool fest.  If so...that's over.
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  • tylermooretylermoore St. Joseph, MI Posts: 1,070
    Where did it even say two unique sets. The only thing like that I saw was about Primus because of their drummer situation. I never say anything about unique sets. Just an “all inclusive” festival. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,775
    It said it on promo stuff for a while. I spoke to my buddy who said it was amazing. he said the only real disappointment was MJK cutting night 2 short. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,157
    edited March 13
    Pulled this from Reddit, (& matches my recollection of the announcement). Should people have inferred “no repeats”? Not really, but the unique designation was definitely there at first. 

  • mr bunglemr bungle Posts: 1,386
    They announced “unique” sets.  Not “no repeats” set, like Metallica has been doing for the last couple of years. Big difference 

    Pearl Jam has played unique set lists every show of there career. Doesn’t mean there aren’t some repeats every night.

    that being said. Shitty that they cut night 2 short. Hopefully there were some fans that had a good time 


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 12,157
    mr bungle said:
    They announced “unique” sets.  Not “no repeats” set, like Metallica has been doing for the last couple of years. Big difference 

    Pearl Jam has played unique set lists every show of there career. Doesn’t mean there aren’t some repeats every night.

    that being said. Shitty that they cut night 2 short. Hopefully there were some fans that had a good time 


    Maynard's comment (which I think was more a jab at the promoters than the fans) about the set being a unique experience two songs into the show was at least poorly timed / executed... if that comment wasn't made right before playing 3 repeats, I'm not sure this blows up half as much as it does, but that's Maynard for you.  

    From people I know who were down there, it seems like it was a healthy mix of some who were annoyed and some who didn't care / still had a blast. 
  • The no repeat songs for Metallica was definitely a different thing than Tool in the sand. No repeats for Metallica was a marketing thing to get people to buy tickets for both nights as Metallica was playing huge stadiums. Tool should have used common sense and not played any repeats because there was no turnover in the crowd from night 1 to night 2.
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 10,078
    I wonder where the line is. If they play Vicarious three times night one but only two times night two is that cool?
  • mr bunglemr bungle Posts: 1,386
    edited March 13
    The no repeat songs for Metallica was definitely a different thing than Tool in the sand. No repeats for Metallica was a marketing thing to get people to buy tickets for both nights as Metallica was playing huge stadiums. Tool should have used common sense and not played any repeats because there was no turnover in the crowd from night 1 to night 2.
    I totally agree with you that a "no repeat weekend" would have been incredible.  If that what was promised, I probably would have splurged.  Tool DID NOT promise no repeats.  The only sin here that i can see is cutting night two short. 

    Narrative is changing.  Common sense?  They were on course to change 30-40 percent of the set from the first night. that's two unique sets (as promissed).

    If No repeats was the deal breaker for forking out the cash?  Make all the calls to promotors and hosts to confirm that that is the case. don't just hope for common sense.
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  • mr bunglemr bungle Posts: 1,386
    mr bungle said:
    They announced “unique” sets.  Not “no repeats” set, like Metallica has been doing for the last couple of years. Big difference 

    Pearl Jam has played unique set lists every show of there career. Doesn’t mean there aren’t some repeats every night.

    that being said. Shitty that they cut night 2 short. Hopefully there were some fans that had a good time 


    Maynard's comment (which I think was more a jab at the promoters than the fans) about the set being a unique experience two songs into the show was at least poorly timed / executed... if that comment wasn't made right before playing 3 repeats, I'm not sure this blows up half as much as it does, but that's Maynard for you.  

    From people I know who were down there, it seems like it was a healthy mix of some who were annoyed and some who didn't care / still had a blast. 
    True!  Maynard loves irony!

    He probably wasn't expecting that comment to ignite a shit storm.
  • Common sense in the fact that they had to know that repeating half the setlist from the first night was going to piss off a lot of the crowd there. I would have still had a good time.
  • mr bunglemr bungle Posts: 1,386
    Common sense in the fact that they had to know that repeating half the setlist from the first night was going to piss off a lot of the crowd there. I would have still had a good time.
    Me too!  And if you follow Tool,  changing half the set on night 2 is big!

    I’m starting to think that half of complainers aren’t Tool fans.

    just people that can afford the trip and looking for something to bitch about.  

    I still don’t see any wrong doings,  besides the shortened second night 
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