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  • mickeyrat
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    should put this in the fuckstick thread that remains but since its about this , here ya go...


    Telegraph obtained the draft:
    - "terms normally imposed on aggressor states defeated in war"
    - "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty"
    - "At the same time, he seems willing to let Russia off the hook entirely."
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/17/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-ukraine-stranglehold/
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    should put this in the fuckstick thread that remains but since its about this , here ya go...


    Telegraph obtained the draft:
    - "terms normally imposed on aggressor states defeated in war"
    - "Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty"
    - "At the same time, he seems willing to let Russia off the hook entirely."
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/17/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-ukraine-stranglehold/
    ‘Murica, home of the weak capitulasts.

    Makes total sense though, punish Ukraine for not backing the 10% to the big guy let’s go Brandon investigation. Speaking of which, has Gym Jordan reopened the case?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    War over yet? Any two bit negotiator could have had it over in 24 hours. What’s taking so long? Oh, we have to wait for the teams to be assembled. Coming up on a month and still war in Ukraine. Sad.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Is the war over yet? The US and Russia, Russia, Russia met on Tuesday. This should be over already just like eggs are $.99 a dozen. Suckers.
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    🇬🇧🇺🇦🇺🇸Keir Starmer will present Trump a plan to send fewer than 30,000 European troops to Ukraine.

    He will urge Trump to have US jets and missiles on standby in Eastern Europe to respond with if Russia breaks the terms of the deal.

    European forces will be deployed to Ukrainian cities, ports and other critical infrastructure sites, such as nuclear power stations, but not on the front lines. - The Telegraph


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  • shadowcast
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    mickeyrat said:


    And they will destroy that country and kill millions/displace millions while doing so. Sounds peaceful to me. Democrats = War PIGS
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    shadowcast said:
    mickeyrat said:


    And they will destroy that country and kill millions/displace millions while doing so. Sounds peaceful to me. Democrats = War PIGS
    Was it Dems who invaded Ukraine? What will Putin on the ritz do? Is he killing and displacing millions or was he just sitting around all innocent and stuff and minding his own business?
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  • tbergs
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    shadowcast said:
    mickeyrat said:


    And they will destroy that country and kill millions/displace millions while doing so. Sounds peaceful to me. Democrats = War PIGS
    If you were alive during WWII would you have wanted the US to step in around say, February 1941 and tell all the European countries they needed to cede the land lost to Germany and agree to a "peace treaty"? Genuinely curious how you are discerning when it's ok for a country to invade another country unprovoked and for that country, and others, to defend against the invasion and land grab.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • shadowcast
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    tbergs said:
    shadowcast said:
    mickeyrat said:


    And they will destroy that country and kill millions/displace millions while doing so. Sounds peaceful to me. Democrats = War PIGS
    If you were alive during WWII would you have wanted the US to step in around say, February 1941 and tell all the European countries they needed to cede the land lost to Germany and agree to a "peace treaty"? Genuinely curious how you are discerning when it's ok for a country to invade another country unprovoked and for that country, and others, to defend against the invasion and land grab.
    Have you read the history of that region?  Look into 2014 Donbass war. Ukraine was literally bombing its own people that had a democratic election to become independent. Check out the Oliver Stone documentary Ukraine on Fire 

    https://x.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1892577050591973484
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,886
    oh shit we've got an expert on Ukraine...maga is amazing!
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  • shadowcast
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    shadowcast said:
    mickeyrat said:


    And they will destroy that country and kill millions/displace millions while doing so. Sounds peaceful to me. Democrats = War PIGS
    Was it Dems who invaded Ukraine? What will Putin on the ritz do? Is he killing and displacing millions or was he just sitting around all innocent and stuff and minding his own business?
    We overthrew the elected government there. The deal was no NATO on Russia's border. Can you imagine if China sent their military to Cuba? 
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,886
    This Ukraine shit could be trump's Waterloo....he just can't shut the fuck up and his allies in the GOP are going to pop
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  • tbergs
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    shadowcast said:
    tbergs said:
    shadowcast said:
    mickeyrat said:


    And they will destroy that country and kill millions/displace millions while doing so. Sounds peaceful to me. Democrats = War PIGS
    If you were alive during WWII would you have wanted the US to step in around say, February 1941 and tell all the European countries they needed to cede the land lost to Germany and agree to a "peace treaty"? Genuinely curious how you are discerning when it's ok for a country to invade another country unprovoked and for that country, and others, to defend against the invasion and land grab.
    Have you read the history of that region?  Look into 2014 Donbass war. Ukraine was literally bombing its own people that had a democratic election to become independent. Check out the Oliver Stone documentary Ukraine on Fire 

    https://x.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1892577050591973484

    We must rely on different sources of information because Donbass only further confirms Russian aggression and instigation of the current war.

    I once respected Oliver Stone, but he went completely off the deep end years ago. I'm not opposed to something he was a part of, but I also think he started promoting/portraying fringe information with jaded "facts" in the guise of truth.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,886
    tbergs said:
    shadowcast said:
    tbergs said:
    shadowcast said:
    mickeyrat said:


    And they will destroy that country and kill millions/displace millions while doing so. Sounds peaceful to me. Democrats = War PIGS
    If you were alive during WWII would you have wanted the US to step in around say, February 1941 and tell all the European countries they needed to cede the land lost to Germany and agree to a "peace treaty"? Genuinely curious how you are discerning when it's ok for a country to invade another country unprovoked and for that country, and others, to defend against the invasion and land grab.
    Have you read the history of that region?  Look into 2014 Donbass war. Ukraine was literally bombing its own people that had a democratic election to become independent. Check out the Oliver Stone documentary Ukraine on Fire 

    https://x.com/NewRulesGeo/status/1892577050591973484

    We must rely on different sources of information because Donbass only further confirms Russian aggression and instigation of the current war.

    I once respected Oliver Stone, but he went completely off the deep end years ago. I'm not opposed to something he was a part of, but I also think he started promoting/portraying fringe information with jaded "facts" in the guise of truth.
    Yeah he's fucking crazy...JFK was a great movie but once you find out he manufactured a bunch of the story it is just fiction
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  • mickeyrat
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    “We want them to see It.” Ukraine unveils $4,000 Trembita missile that can reach Moscow

    Built for both strikes and deception, the Trembita light cruise missile is cheap, easy to produce, and requires no foreign funding.

    https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/02/21/we-want-them-to-see-it-ukraine-unveils-4000-trembita-missile-that-can-reach-moscow/?swcfpc=1
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  • mickeyrat
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    video.

    meeting spin? likely. outright lie? he isnt one I believe nor the vp about this. they have marching orders from fuckstick.


    🇺🇦🇺🇸US Secretary of State  Rubio:

    JD Vance and I sat down with Zelenskyy and he left the meeting and started lying about what transpired.

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    Kellogg has made his first statement following his meeting with Zelensky.


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    The Kremlin has ordered Russian propagandists to declare a supposed “VICTORY over NATO” by the anniversary of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2025, based on false narratives about the “WEST's BETRAYAL” and a “US-RUSSIA DEAL.”

    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/47568
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    REUTERS reports that the Trump administration is using the threat of a Starlink cutoff to pressure Ukraine into signing a resource-sharing agreement. If this is confirmed, other countries will be forced to conclude that the use of American technologies is a national security risk

    https://www.reuters.com/business/us-could-cut-ukraines-access-starlink-internet-services-over-minerals-say-2025-02-22/
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