The Official 2025 Tour Rumor Thread

I'm going to keep an eye on Grammys related media items. List of performers is drip dripping and expected to grow in the coming days. So far, PJ are not on it.

Which page is Rob referring to, could be said for all FB PJ gages and groups.

rey said:

ally12 said:

kaw753 said:

Go Animal said:

kaw753 said:

Can someone who knows some people request that we get the Ohana line-up (and ideally anymore tour dates) before the tour starts? Two nights at Ohana tops anything but a show in my hometown. 

Heard about a potential headliner, but I hope it doesn't happen. I'll take Sting over this artist any day of the week. 

QOTSA and NIN tour schedules line-up, but I can't imagine anyone here really complaining about either of those. I see QOTSA anywhere I can.

How is QOTSA and NIN ohana vibe?

I thought that about Idles last year.  Although, they weren't headliners.

The Idles getting all the middle aged people to mosh was friggin' awesome 

I’d like you all to know that this thread inspired me to rewatch Shawshank last night for the first time in several years. It never gets old. “Remember hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies.”

kaw753 said:

Go Animal said:

Do you ever ask yourself, "Who are the 15,000 people in each of these cities that pay $100 to see artist ABC?"

To each their own, but Lenny Kravitz had a few hits 25 years ago. Cool, how is this still an arena act? There are 15000 people in St. Louis paying $100 to see him? Seriously?

I should get back to work.

The average music listener only knows or remembers a couple of songs by any artist, and knows very little music from artists that came around after they turned 25. So if you were 13 in 1991, you came of age knowing and liking a half-dozen Lenny Kravitz songs from the '90s, and now you're a middle-aged person who wishes they were still in their teens, before the world came calling and everything started to suck, and you try to relive that by leaving the house to go see Lenny Kravitz play those six songs. You know, from when music was music before the kids ruined everything with their AutoTune and EDM, etc.

There are plenty of people who go to Pearl Jam shows who have the same mindset, by the way. Sure, Pearl Jam was bigger than Lenny Kravitz was, but he was big enough.

The thing about Kravitz that always strikes me is that he seems to belong to the small club of artists that institutions love to turn to when it's time for award shows, Grammy tributes, Rock Hall induction ceremonies, etc. Kravitz, H.E.R., John Legend and Dave Grohl all come to mind. I swear H.E.R. has been trotted out to play more national anthems than any artist in recent memory. From her anthem profile, you'd think she was one of the biggest stars of our time.

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runstaples said:

Who is gonna be the first to bring in a creepy quote from Bogs, haha

pjl44 said:

So far the 2025 version of the tour rumor thread is my least favorite by a wide margin 

Hard to get.  I like that.

BF25394 said:

PrezIntense said:

Someone traveling from another country (which is exactly the person travel advisories are aimed at) likely going to a major city where there are undoubtedly people who will see them as potential victims -- this isn't conjecture it's demonstrably true. You hand waving over this and assuming someone living in suburbia has the same probability of being a victim as somebody visiting LA or NYC or Atlanta etc is just head-in-sand BS. 
 

Cities are a lot safer than you think they are (and New York, in particular, is one of the safest major cities in the U.S.-- it has a giant police force of 40,000, for one thing; L.A., which is also safer than you think it is, has half the population New York has and 10,000 cops).

And rural areas are a lot less safe than you think they are. You can look up data on all of this. I'll just give you this, for context about safety today in New York:

Murders, 1990: 2,262

Murders, 2021: 488

DECLINE: 78.4 percent

 

Rapes, 1990: 3,126

Rapes, 2021: 1,491

DECLINE: 52.3 percent

 

Robberies, 1990: 100,280

Robberies, 2021: 13,831

DECLINE: 86.2 percent

 

Felony Assaults, 1990: 44,122

Felony Assaults, 2021: 22,835

DECLINE: 48.2 percent

 

Burglaries, 1990: 122,055

Burglaries, 2021: 12,811

DECLINE: 89.5 percent

 

Grand Larcenies, 1990: 108,487

Grand Larcenies, 2021: 40,870

DECLINE: 62.3 percent

 

Grand Larcenies, Auto, 1990: 146,925

Grand Larcenies, Auto, 2021: 10,415

DECLINE: 92.9 percent

 

Source: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf

 

If you want to look at other, less serious crimes, you’ll see the same phenomenon looking back to the year 2000. See https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/non-seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2021.pdf.

It is an unfortunate phenomenon in our society that, even as crime has generally steadily declined over the past 30 years, large numbers of people have consistently believed that crime rates are increasing or at all-time highs.  There are at least a couple of reasons for this.  One reason is the sensationalistic and disproportionate coverage of crime on local television news and, in New York’s case, by the tabloid newspapers.  Another reason is that it is very easy for politicians to exploit people’s fear of crime to get them to vote.  Scaring suburban voters about purportedly out-of-control crime in Democratic-controlled cities has been a linchpin strategy of Republican politicians for decades.  Even here in L.A., recent mayoral candidate Rick Caruso said in a debate that “everyone in L.A. is scared to leave the house” because of crime. It was an absurd claim-- especially since he had people walking around in L.A. neighborhoods canvassing for him-- but there are a lot of people for whom hearing that from a would-be leader reinforces their belief that crime actually is historically high when it’s actually historically low.

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