Are you hoping America is better four years from now?

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    I hope America's in a better place in 4 years... it's hard to have confidence that it will be, but it's my home and I love it so yeah... I want the best for it and us as a whole.

    I would rather be wrong about the incoming administration than be able to say I told you so. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,638
    Hobbes said:
    A successful Trump administration and a better America are not aligned. Mass deportations, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs, cutting Social Security and Medicaid, etc. would be wins for his administration but certainly will not make America better. For America to be successful, his administration needs to fail.
    When I speak in terms of him being successful, I’m talking about him doing a good job, as in, being a good president, which is what I assume the OP meant. I think it’s pretty clear Trump’s idea of success is enrichment of himself, as you pointed out. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    shecky said:
    I am quite confident America will be better off four years from now. That's why I donated to President Trump's campaign and voted for him.
    But, it doesn't take much perusing of these forums to see that the vast majority of posters here want to see President Trump crash and burn. 
    Their insults are so vile and their comments so unhinged, it makes one wonder what is going on in these people's private lives that make them wake up each day so full of hate and vitriol.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, this crowd hates Trump more than they love America. And, they do not want to see him succeed.
    lindamarie73 said:
    Not a chance..Some of the lifers have stated they don’t even talk to FAMILY members anymore cause they still love America and want to fix the mess the demmies are leaving behind.  Can you even imagine that kind of brain rot over stupid politics?  


    What reality y’all live in?

    Unemployment and inflation is low, and economic growth and stock market is high. Poor people in a poor country can’t afford months long winter getaways to tropical islands.
  • hunterh75
    hunterh75 Posts: 133
    Lerxst1992 said:
    shecky said:
    I am quite confident America will be better off four years from now. That's why I donated to President Trump's campaign and voted for him.
    But, it doesn't take much perusing of these forums to see that the vast majority of posters here want to see President Trump crash and burn. 
    Their insults are so vile and their comments so unhinged, it makes one wonder what is going on in these people's private lives that make them wake up each day so full of hate and vitriol.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, this crowd hates Trump more than they love America. And, they do not want to see him succeed.
    lindamarie73 said:
    Not a chance..Some of the lifers have stated they don’t even talk to FAMILY members anymore cause they still love America and want to fix the mess the demmies are leaving behind.  Can you even imagine that kind of brain rot over stupid politics?  


    What reality y’all live in?

    Unemployment and inflation is low, and economic growth and stock market is high. Poor people in a poor country can’t afford months long winter getaways to tropical islands.
    And Trump is 16 million dollars richer thanks to George Snuffaluffagus and the fine folks at Disney/ABC. Another hit and run brought to you by, well, me of course. Back to work.........
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,670
    if that was supposed to be breaking news, you failed
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  • OnWis97
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    In theory I'm hoping so but it's not even possible barring an enormous 180-degree turn in the ruling party, which is pretty much the embodiment of catturd.

    So I hope President-elect Trump and co-president-un-elect Musk fail at trying to get richer while ending social security, firing 1 million people, eliminating vaccines, establishing a theocracy, and all the harebrained and mean-spirited shit they wish to pull. Only through their failure can we actually succeed.
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  • mickeyrat
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    OnWis97 said:
    In theory I'm hoping so but it's not even possible barring an enormous 180-degree turn in the ruling party, which is pretty much the embodiment of catturd.

    So I hope President-elect Trump and co-president-un-elect Musk fail at trying to get richer while ending social security, firing 1 million people, eliminating vaccines, establishing a theocracy, and all the harebrained and mean-spirited shit they wish to pull. Only through their failure can we actually succeed.

    hot take
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  • Gern Blansten
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    hunterh75 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    shecky said:
    I am quite confident America will be better off four years from now. That's why I donated to President Trump's campaign and voted for him.
    But, it doesn't take much perusing of these forums to see that the vast majority of posters here want to see President Trump crash and burn. 
    Their insults are so vile and their comments so unhinged, it makes one wonder what is going on in these people's private lives that make them wake up each day so full of hate and vitriol.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, this crowd hates Trump more than they love America. And, they do not want to see him succeed.
    lindamarie73 said:
    Not a chance..Some of the lifers have stated they don’t even talk to FAMILY members anymore cause they still love America and want to fix the mess the demmies are leaving behind.  Can you even imagine that kind of brain rot over stupid politics?  


    What reality y’all live in?

    Unemployment and inflation is low, and economic growth and stock market is high. Poor people in a poor country can’t afford months long winter getaways to tropical islands.
    And Trump is 16 million dollars richer thanks to George Snuffaluffagus and the fine folks at Disney/ABC. Another hit and run brought to you by, well, me of course. Back to work.........
    actually that money is supposed to go to a trump library/museum but you're right...he'll probably steal it and enrich himself like he did with his foundation and trump University
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  • Tim Simmons
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    edited December 2024
    hunterh75 said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    shecky said:
    I am quite confident America will be better off four years from now. That's why I donated to President Trump's campaign and voted for him.
    But, it doesn't take much perusing of these forums to see that the vast majority of posters here want to see President Trump crash and burn. 
    Their insults are so vile and their comments so unhinged, it makes one wonder what is going on in these people's private lives that make them wake up each day so full of hate and vitriol.
    I've said it before and I'll say it again, this crowd hates Trump more than they love America. And, they do not want to see him succeed.
    lindamarie73 said:
    Not a chance..Some of the lifers have stated they don’t even talk to FAMILY members anymore cause they still love America and want to fix the mess the demmies are leaving behind.  Can you even imagine that kind of brain rot over stupid politics?  


    What reality y’all live in?

    Unemployment and inflation is low, and economic growth and stock market is high. Poor people in a poor country can’t afford months long winter getaways to tropical islands.
    And Trump is 16 million dollars richer thanks to George Snuffaluffagus and the fine folks at Disney/ABC. Another hit and run brought to you by, well, me of course. Back to work.........
    Weird post. 
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  • battle1
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    Indifference said:
    Curious if people hope for Trump and cabinet are a success and makes America better or prefer to post why they aren’t and want to say I told you so?
    Great question, I think your answer is right here in these forums unfortunately.  They hate America, its plain and simple.  Take the responses for example.  Couldn't muster up more than one sentence to support how they hope America is better in 4 years.  But you can find literally 10s of thousands of posts about how awful America is on these forums. This is an all ages, its-cool-to-be anti-American forum.  Pretty disgusting, really.  
  • mickeyrat
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    battle1 said:
    Indifference said:
    Curious if people hope for Trump and cabinet are a success and makes America better or prefer to post why they aren’t and want to say I told you so?
    Great question, I think your answer is right here in these forums unfortunately.  They hate America, its plain and simple.  Take the responses for example.  Couldn't muster up more than one sentence to support how they hope America is better in 4 years.  But you can find literally 10s of thousands of posts about how awful America is on these forums. This is an all ages, its-cool-to-be anti-American forum.  Pretty disgusting, really.  
    you know, one take of the 1st amendment in our beloved Constitution,  is not only is it ok to criticize our government and by extension the country, is that its kinda expected and needed, as if its a civic duty,  to push the country to a "more perfect union" as someone once said.

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  • battle1
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    mickeyrat said:
    battle1 said:
    Indifference said:
    Curious if people hope for Trump and cabinet are a success and makes America better or prefer to post why they aren’t and want to say I told you so?
    Great question, I think your answer is right here in these forums unfortunately.  They hate America, its plain and simple.  Take the responses for example.  Couldn't muster up more than one sentence to support how they hope America is better in 4 years.  But you can find literally 10s of thousands of posts about how awful America is on these forums. This is an all ages, its-cool-to-be anti-American forum.  Pretty disgusting, really.  
    you know, one take of the 1st amendment in our beloved Constitution,  is not only is it ok to criticize our government and by extension the country, is that its kinda expected and needed, as if its a civic duty,  to push the country to a "more perfect union" as someone once said.

    Thats "one take", alright.  Thanks for contributing.  
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,824
    edited December 2024
    To be clear is it only one ideological side "posts about how awful America is on these forums" or both sides*? 

    *obviously ideologies are a spectrum and it would be wrong to to take fringe beliefs or stances and paint them broadly across a large swath of the political spectrum, but for sake of a more direct discussion lets assume the general "both sides"
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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,824
    edited December 2024
    personally I think its a lazy take to say people hate America when in reality its pretty common for people who willingly reside here, pay taxes and vote here, and contribute to society here, want to see the image of the country reflect their tastes, interests or Points of View.  And its not just lazy but odd to think that just because its different than your POV they must HATE things. 
     
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  • battle1
    battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    Tim Simmons said:
    personally I think its a lazy take to say people hate America when in reality its pretty common for people who willingly reside here, pay taxes and vote here, and contribute to society here, want to see the image of the country reflect their tastes, interests or Points of View.  And its not just lazy but odd to think that just because its different than your POV they must HATE things. 
     
    Good spin, I can appreciate the effort.  
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,824
    its less spin, more nuanced
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,638
    A troll with a fake air of superiority is still a troll. 

    No one here hates america. 

    And yet these magats attached themselves to a slogan implying America currently sucks. 
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  • battle1
    battle1 PHI Posts: 637
    More off-topic name calling by the canadian guy, who just so happens to hate America.  I mention that in the spirit of staying on topic.  
  • brianlux
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    mickeyrat said:
    battle1 said:
    Indifference said:
    Curious if people hope for Trump and cabinet are a success and makes America better or prefer to post why they aren’t and want to say I told you so?
    Great question, I think your answer is right here in these forums unfortunately.  They hate America, its plain and simple.  Take the responses for example.  Couldn't muster up more than one sentence to support how they hope America is better in 4 years.  But you can find literally 10s of thousands of posts about how awful America is on these forums. This is an all ages, its-cool-to-be anti-American forum.  Pretty disgusting, really.  
    you know, one take of the 1st amendment in our beloved Constitution,  is not only is it ok to criticize our government and by extension the country, is that its kinda expected and needed, as if its a civic duty,  to push the country to a "more perfect union" as someone once said.

    That is absolutely true in a democracy, M.  Only problem is, we no longer live in a democratic nation which is why MAGAs do not want you or I or anyone else to speak out in criticism of our government. 
    It's also a bit odd that anyone would keep coming back over and over to post on a forum they have major issues with.  It would be like if you or I posted regularly on a pro-Trump forum and expected the MAGA folks there to agree with us or change their mind about any of the things they talk about.  Personally, I would find that a waste of time.  But hey, it's not my dime and they are certainly within their rights to use their time to post here. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    battle1 said:
    Indifference said:
    Curious if people hope for Trump and cabinet are a success and makes America better or prefer to post why they aren’t and want to say I told you so?
    Great question, I think your answer is right here in these forums unfortunately.  They hate America, it’s plain and simple.  Take the responses for example.  Couldn't muster up more than one sentence to support how they hope America is better in 4 years.  But you can find literally 10s of thousands of posts about how awful America is on these forums. This is an all ages, it’s-cool-to-be anti-American forum.  Pretty disgusting, really.  
    Go back and reread the thread title. Then try to comprehend it. Then when you do, go back and reread the responses. Reading comprehension is fundamental, particularly in a democracy.
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