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Perhaps this makes me a schlemiel or a schlemazel, but I don't get either of these references...Halifax2TheMax said:
You don’t get Laverne & Shirley? 24/7?BF25394 said:
And the other part of this is that the COVID-19 genome was sequenced in December 2019 and made public in January 2020. Work was already starting on an mRNA vaccine as early as January 13, 2020-- before most people were even aware there was a novel virus. By the time the trials were underway in summer, the vaccine was already very refined. Incidentally, I volunteered to participate in one of those trials in the summer of 2020 but was turned away because they already had too many people signed up. And bear in mind that this means that they had so many volunteers that they were able to have enough people in all of the various demographics of age, sex, race, etc., to populate both control groups receiving placebos as well as groups that would be receiving the vaccine being tested.tbergs said:
I don't think people understand what it takes to get a vaccine/med out to the public. Experimental were the people who were in the trials. Once released to the public, it had already passed those trials with varying degrees of success, as we saw with the initial first 3(?) options that were provided.BF25394 said:
This.Tim Simmons said:It wasn't experimental.
How much research has anyone on here who seems to think this vaccine was any less vetted done on every other vaccine you have taken in your life or said ok to for your children? I am not anti-vaxx, but I am vax hesitant and I still saw the extreme pros of this to help protect those in our world who are immuno compromised. I have that luxury as a fairly healthy person who doesn't have pre-existing condition. We can rag on big pharma all day because they have earned it, but in this case, I think what was researched and done to get a viable vaccine to the masses in that amount of time was nothing short of a miracle. It's ok to still hate big pharma, but not for what was done in the early stages of Covid. Unfortunately, a lot of of the couch scientists that lived through Covid, probably won't make it through another pandemic. Maybe that's for the best though. Freedom of choice, freedom of speech, freedom to die.
And even if it were true that the vaccines were rushed in 2020, it's 2024 now and we have more real-world data about this vaccine than any vaccine in history. Tens of billions of doses have been administered to people all around the world with no statistically significant detrimental effects having presented themselves.Post edited by BF25394 onI gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
Link to what??..to my personal experience??..Tim Simmons said:
link?23scidoo said:
i did that here on the past..BF25394 said:
Please specify your personal experience in support of this claim.23scidoo said:
You are wrong..i know from personal experience how they listed many of deaths as from COVID when it was it from that..BF25394 said:
Again, none of this is true.Choccoloccotide said:
It was treatment protocols set by Fauci that did more harm to people than the actual virus. Also death tolls were so inflated that if someone died in a car accident but was Covid positive, that death went on the books as a Covid death.josevolution said:But did the world have two years or even one year to do trials? Once the virus started to move through our cities specially here in NY the death toll was staggering!Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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You said you specified your personal experience here before...he's asking for a link to that post23scidoo said:
Link to what??..to my personal experience??..Tim Simmons said:
link?23scidoo said:
i did that here on the past..BF25394 said:
Please specify your personal experience in support of this claim.23scidoo said:
You are wrong..i know from personal experience how they listed many of deaths as from COVID when it was it from that..BF25394 said:
Again, none of this is true.Choccoloccotide said:
It was treatment protocols set by Fauci that did more harm to people than the actual virus. Also death tolls were so inflated that if someone died in a car accident but was Covid positive, that death went on the books as a Covid death.josevolution said:But did the world have two years or even one year to do trials? Once the virus started to move through our cities specially here in NY the death toll was staggering!Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I disagree too. You are forcing someone to do something, most people are not in a position to just give up their job. Holding that over them and saying it's a choice, isn't a choice. It's like robbing someone at gunpoint and saying they had a choice to get shot or give me their wallet. Was it really a choice?HughFreakingDillon said:so when given the CHOICE to get the vax or lose your job, you made the CHOICE to keep your job/lose your job.
how is that not a CHOICE.0 -
I really am dying to see his evidence that someone killed in a car accident has COVID listed as a cause of death on the death certificate. (And when he shows me that evidence and I die, presumably my death certificate will say that COVID caused my death. It's a vicious circle.)Gern Blansten said:
You said you specified your personal experience here before...he's asking for a link to that post23scidoo said:
Link to what??..to my personal experience??..Tim Simmons said:
link?23scidoo said:
i did that here on the past..BF25394 said:
Please specify your personal experience in support of this claim.23scidoo said:
You are wrong..i know from personal experience how they listed many of deaths as from COVID when it was it from that..BF25394 said:
Again, none of this is true.Choccoloccotide said:
It was treatment protocols set by Fauci that did more harm to people than the actual virus. Also death tolls were so inflated that if someone died in a car accident but was Covid positive, that death went on the books as a Covid death.josevolution said:But did the world have two years or even one year to do trials? Once the virus started to move through our cities specially here in NY the death toll was staggering!I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
It's a complicated situation, but in a pandemic, the greater public health outweighs your objection because you could potentially cause the deaths of others so the employer has an obligation to protect it's workforce, and customers in many instances. I think I recall the OSHA general duty clause get referenced a lot during that time.mace1229 said:
I disagree too. You are forcing someone to do something, most people are not in a position to just give up their job. Holding that over them and saying it's a choice, isn't a choice. It's like robbing someone at gunpoint and saying they had a choice to get shot or give me their wallet. Was it really a choice?HughFreakingDillon said:so when given the CHOICE to get the vax or lose your job, you made the CHOICE to keep your job/lose your job.
how is that not a CHOICE.
I mean, this was all hashed out adnauseum for months, but my vague recollection is that many were allowed not to vax, but then they had to submit daily/weekly negative test results and pass screenings. Others in high exposure risk professions (health care, first responders, etc.) may not have had that same option so their "choice" by many was considered more coercive. Again though, public health was the concern.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
"(S)He didn't of covid; (s)he died with covid" was bordering on cliché a few years ago. Against all evidence and common sense, they really wanted to believe that it was just a cold.BF25394 said:
I really am dying to see his evidence that someone killed in a car accident has COVID listed as a cause of death on the death certificate. (And when he shows me that evidence and I die, presumably my death certificate will say that COVID caused my death. It's a vicious circle.)Gern Blansten said:
You said you specified your personal experience here before...he's asking for a link to that post23scidoo said:
Link to what??..to my personal experience??..Tim Simmons said:
link?23scidoo said:
i did that here on the past..BF25394 said:
Please specify your personal experience in support of this claim.23scidoo said:
You are wrong..i know from personal experience how they listed many of deaths as from COVID when it was it from that..BF25394 said:
Again, none of this is true.Choccoloccotide said:
It was treatment protocols set by Fauci that did more harm to people than the actual virus. Also death tolls were so inflated that if someone died in a car accident but was Covid positive, that death went on the books as a Covid death.josevolution said:But did the world have two years or even one year to do trials? Once the virus started to move through our cities specially here in NY the death toll was staggering!1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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Happy days are here again 🤣Halifax2TheMax said:
“Things are going to be ‘great’!”mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infantsjesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infants0 -
MAGAT’s would drink a dead whale’s sperm if RFK Junior told you too!Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infantsjesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Vaccines for whooping cough have been mandated for schoolchildren for decades and it was never an issue.Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infants
And for the record, the U.S. was not "on lockdown." People were free to leave their homes any time they wished. Nor were vaccines mandated. Tens of millions of Americans chose not to receive a COVID vaccine. Also, the federal government had no ability to mandate masks (and did not mandate masks) except on federal property and on public transportation and airplanes. As far as the "mandate" to wear a mask if you wanted to go into a store, those stores also "mandate" that you wear a shirt and shoes. This is called living in a society. Again, this was uncontroversial until 2020.I gather speed from you fucking with me.0 -
All true facts except to the cult!BF25394 said:
Vaccines for whooping cough have been mandated for schoolchildren for decades and it was never an issue.Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infants
And for the record, the U.S. was not "on lockdown." People were free to leave their homes any time they wished. Nor were vaccines mandated. Tens of millions of Americans chose not to receive a COVID vaccine. Also, the federal government had no ability to mandate masks (and did not mandate masks) except on federal property and on public transportation and airplanes. As far as the "mandate" to wear a mask if you wanted to go into a store, those stores also "mandate" that you wear a shirt and shoes. This is called living in a society. Again, this was uncontroversial until 2020.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Uncontroversial until freedumb took over, I think you meant?BF25394 said:
Vaccines for whooping cough have been mandated for schoolchildren for decades and it was never an issue.Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infants
And for the record, the U.S. was not "on lockdown." People were free to leave their homes any time they wished. Nor were vaccines mandated. Tens of millions of Americans chose not to receive a COVID vaccine. Also, the federal government had no ability to mandate masks (and did not mandate masks) except on federal property and on public transportation and airplanes. As far as the "mandate" to wear a mask if you wanted to go into a store, those stores also "mandate" that you wear a shirt and shoes. This is called living in a society. Again, this was uncontroversial until 2020.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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What was the name of that President we had in March/April of 2020 who put us on lockdown, instituted social distancing, instituted mask mandates and started the vaccine roll-out again?Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infantsThis weekend we rock Portland0 -
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What was the name of that President we had in March/April of 2020 who put us on lockdown, instituted social distancing, instituted mask mandates and started the vaccine roll-out again?Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infants09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Begins with a Pee?Poncier said:
What was the name of that President we had in March/April of 2020 who put us on lockdown, instituted social distancing, instituted mask mandates and started the vaccine roll-out again?Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infants
what an odd way to begin spelling fuckstick.
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Well, no one’s ever accused me of being “normal.” “Normal” is boring anyways.mickeyrat said:Halifax2TheMax said:
Begins with a Pee?Poncier said:
What was the name of that President we had in March/April of 2020 who put us on lockdown, instituted social distancing, instituted mask mandates and started the vaccine roll-out again?Choccoloccotide said:
That’s all I need to see. I hope the Biden admin decides to shut everything down and put us on lockdown, mandatory masks, 6 ft social distancing, and of course mandated vaxes.mickeyrat said:whooping cough on the rise in Michigan . vaccines for same down....can be deadly to infants
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