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  • IlliniGuy76
    IlliniGuy76 Posts: 683
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    "Pearl Jam strives to protect access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable as permitted, and selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium to offset increased costs." Not only do they sign off on it, they sell it to you as though the people paying PJ Premium prices are actually subsidizing your peon-priced concertgoing experience.
    This is literally what's happening
    If Premium didn't exist, you'd have a plethora less of 10C seats
    And $180 a seat is indeed peanuts against most every other large act
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense...

    1995:  7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010:  5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
    2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022:  9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023:  9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024:  8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)

  • Lost_And_No_Guide
    Lost_And_No_Guide Posts: 105
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!
    The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  
    we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.
  • IlliniGuy76
    IlliniGuy76 Posts: 683
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!
    The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  
    we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.
    It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense...

    1995:  7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010:  5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
    2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022:  9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023:  9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024:  8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)

  • Lost_And_No_Guide
    Lost_And_No_Guide Posts: 105
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    "Pearl Jam strives to protect access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable as permitted, and selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium to offset increased costs." Not only do they sign off on it, they sell it to you as though the people paying PJ Premium prices are actually subsidizing your peon-priced concertgoing experience.
    This is literally what's happening
    If Premium didn't exist, you'd have a plethora less of 10C seats
    And $180 a seat is indeed peanuts against most every other large act
    If only we had, oh, 25-30 years of pre-PJ Premium touring to look back on to know whether this was true...
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    Artificial demand on Mike side is far greater than artificial demand on Stone side for Pitt 1.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • KJ228171
    KJ228171 Posts: 482
    Original_Shifty said:
    Got an upgrade to 10C tix for Raleigh N1, although it was two singles one behind the other instead of next to each other. Big deal. Moved from FLR 4 Row 11 to Sec 104 rows VV and WW both aisle seats.

    I'll be selling our floor seats on F2F as soon as it opens.

    I'm sure the board (and me personally) would love a heads up when you list them.
  • Lost_And_No_Guide
    Lost_And_No_Guide Posts: 105
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!
    The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  
    we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.
    It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.
    the 10C prices themselves have far outstripped inflation!
  • IlliniGuy76
    IlliniGuy76 Posts: 683
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!
    The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  
    we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.
    It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.
    the 10C prices themselves have far outstripped inflation!
    That's just not true - the 10C pricing is well below most large acts.
    Again - they'd tour but then you'd have people whining and complaining of the dearth of 10C tickets.
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can forgive yourself oh yeah...
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense...

    1995:  7/11 (Chicago) 2009: 8/23, 8/24 (Chicago) 2010:  5/9 (Cleveland) 2013 7/19 (Chicago) 2016: 4/9 (Miami), 5/1 (NYC), 8/20 & 8/22 (Chicago)
    2018: 8/18 (Chicago) & 8/20 (Chicago) 2022:  9/11 (NYC), 9/18 (STL) 2023:  9/5 (Chicago), 9/7 (Chicago) 2024:  8/29 (Chicago), 8/31 (Chicago)

  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,620
    And TM just threw me out of the sale.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Lost_And_No_Guide
    Lost_And_No_Guide Posts: 105
    edited December 2024
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    IlliniGuy76 said:
    Lost_And_No_Guide said:
    In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!
    The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  
    we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.
    It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.
    the 10C prices themselves have far outstripped inflation!
    That's just not true - the 10C pricing is well below most large acts.
    Again - they'd tour but then you'd have people whining and complaining of the dearth of 10C tickets.
    that's a non-sequitur strawman.  $185 a ticket can both be below ill-defined "large acts," as I'm sure goalpost will be moved as soon as other bands' prices are shown to be lower, and also *much higher than previous ***pearl jam tickets themselves***, whose respective tours I absolutely assure you did not lose money.
  • given2fly23
    given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 6,043
    edited December 2024
    Some basic math:
    PJ Premium - 700 tickets x $1,000 = $700,000
    Standard - 6300 tickets x $200 = $1,260,000
    Total = $1,960,000

    All Standard - $1,960,000 / 7,000 tickets = $280

    So if they got rid of PJ Premium, every ticket for this show would need to be priced at $280 to match the revenue, which TM is not going to willingly surrender.  Not defending these prices, just making a point.
    Found: Soundgarden Hyde Park DVD (Thank you for the gift!)
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    T-Shirts for Sale: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/149289/pj-t-shirt-trade-or-sale
  • blairs1
    blairs1 Ontario, Canada Posts: 413
    did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?
  • erik768
    erik768 Decatur, GA Posts: 122
    I also believe for PJ Premium ticket master gets a cut on each resale which is more profit without having to do anything.
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  • Kwieneke
    Kwieneke Indiana Posts: 2,171
    blairs1 said:
    did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?
    i think they were ADA
    Noblesville 5.7.2010. Lexington 4.26.2016. Nashville 9.16.2022. St Louis 9.18.2022.
    Chicago 1 9.5.2023. Chicago 2 9.7.2023. 
    *Noblesville 9.10.2023* (Gutted) 
    Seattle 5.30.2024  Noblesville 8.26.2024  Chicago 8.29.2024  Chicago 8.31.2024 
    Pittsburgh 5.16.2025 Pittsburgh 5.18.2025
  • PrezIntense
    PrezIntense Posts: 409
    blairs1 said:
    did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?
    Yes. I snagged for Raleigh
    1996 Charlotte
    1998 Raleigh
    2000 Virginia Beach
    2003 Raleigh
    2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
    2016 Columbia
    2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
    2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
    2022 Denver
    2024 Baltimore
    2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
  • PrezIntense
    PrezIntense Posts: 409
    Kwieneke said:
    blairs1 said:
    did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?
    i think they were ADA
    they were not. there was a solid section of $99 for Raleigh but they went very fast and were 300 level

    1996 Charlotte
    1998 Raleigh
    2000 Virginia Beach
    2003 Raleigh
    2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
    2016 Columbia
    2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
    2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
    2022 Denver
    2024 Baltimore
    2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,784
    I don’t mind premium as seems like only way I get seats.

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  • yieldtobinaural
    yieldtobinaural Posts: 27
    I think I'd prefer to be scalped by a scalper than by the band themselves
  • Luckytwn1
    Luckytwn1 Posts: 519
    given2fly23 said:
    Some basic math:
    PJ Premium - 700 tickets x $1,000 = $700,000
    Standard - 6300 tickets x $200 = $1,260,000
    Total = $1,960,000

    All Standard - $1,960,000 / 7,000 tickets = $280

    So if they got rid of PJ Premium, every ticket for this show would need to be priced at $280 to match the revenue, which TM is not going to willingly surrender.  Not defending these prices, just making a point.
    Ticket pricing is determined by the artist and promoter as part of the deal reached for the show to be played. Ticketmaster doesn't surrender anything. They just sell the tickets as instructed by those two parties. Promoters are demanding platinum/premium tickets and certainly it is true in a case like PJ where they want to provide a batch of fan club tickets at a specific price, like any negotiation, they have to give something in return. Or they would have to take less of a guarantee for the show.
  • Original_Shifty
    Original_Shifty Great White North Posts: 799
    KJ228171 said:
    Original_Shifty said:
    Got an upgrade to 10C tix for Raleigh N1, although it was two singles one behind the other instead of next to each other. Big deal. Moved from FLR 4 Row 11 to Sec 104 rows VV and WW both aisle seats.

    I'll be selling our floor seats on F2F as soon as it opens.

    I'm sure the board (and me personally) would love a heads up when you list them.
    You can count on it.
    2011: Vancouver
    2013: LA 1 & 2, Vancouver
    2018: Seattle 1 & 2
    2022: LA 1 & 2
    2024: Vancouver 1 & 2, Portland, Seattle 1 & 2
    2025: Nashville 1 & 2, Raleigh 1 & 2

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