Dark Matter U.S. Tour 2025

IlliniGuy76

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

"Pearl Jam strives to protect access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable as permitted, and selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium to offset increased costs." Not only do they sign off on it, they sell it to you as though the people paying PJ Premium prices are actually subsidizing your peon-priced concertgoing experience.

This is literally what's happening
If Premium didn't exist, you'd have a plethora less of 10C seats
And $180 a seat is indeed peanuts against most every other large act

Lost_And_No_Guide

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!

The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  

we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.

IlliniGuy76

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!

The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  

we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.

It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.

Lost_And_No_Guide

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

"Pearl Jam strives to protect access to fairly priced tickets by providing the majority of tickets to Ten Club members, making tickets non-transferable as permitted, and selling approximately 10% of tickets through PJ Premium to offset increased costs." Not only do they sign off on it, they sell it to you as though the people paying PJ Premium prices are actually subsidizing your peon-priced concertgoing experience.

This is literally what's happening
If Premium didn't exist, you'd have a plethora less of 10C seats
And $180 a seat is indeed peanuts against most every other large act

If only we had, oh, 25-30 years of pre-PJ Premium touring to look back on to know whether this was true...

JimmyV

Artificial demand on Mike side is far greater than artificial demand on Stone side for Pitt 1.

KJ228171

Original_Shifty said:

Got an upgrade to 10C tix for Raleigh N1, although it was two singles one behind the other instead of next to each other. Big deal. Moved from FLR 4 Row 11 to Sec 104 rows VV and WW both aisle seats.

I'll be selling our floor seats on F2F as soon as it opens.

I'm sure the board (and me personally) would love a heads up when you list them.

Lost_And_No_Guide

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!

The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  

we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.

It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.

the 10C prices themselves have far outstripped inflation!

IlliniGuy76

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!

The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  

we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.

It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.

the 10C prices themselves have far outstripped inflation!

That's just not true - the 10C pricing is well below most large acts.
Again - they'd tour but then you'd have people whining and complaining of the dearth of 10C tickets.

JimmyV

And TM just threw me out of the sale.

Lost_And_No_Guide

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Lost_And_No_Guide said:

In general I do not mind PJ Premium.  it's their show, they can charge what they want.  but what I do find infuriating is them letting all the tickets seemingly run out, then adding 2-3 *dozen* Premium seats after the fact.  every one of those seats could have gone to a 10C member or Artist Presale hopeful!

The massive volume of 10C seats wouldn't exist at the pricing fans get.  

we have decades of evidence to the contrary.  if the band wants to make more money, good for them, they've earned it, but don't sell it to me as though touring would be impossible without scalping 10% of the tickets.

It wouldn't be impossible - having the large volume of 10C seats at a cheap rate would be.  You may not believe that, it is indeed the case.

the 10C prices themselves have far outstripped inflation!

That's just not true - the 10C pricing is well below most large acts.
Again - they'd tour but then you'd have people whining and complaining of the dearth of 10C tickets.

that's a non-sequitur strawman.  $185 a ticket can both be below ill-defined "large acts," as I'm sure goalpost will be moved as soon as other bands' prices are shown to be lower, and also *much higher than previous ***pearl jam tickets themselves***, whose respective tours I absolutely assure you did not lose money.

given2fly23

Some basic math:

PJ Premium - 700 tickets x $1,000 = $700,000
Standard - 6300 tickets x $200 = $1,260,000
Total = $1,960,000

All Standard - $1,960,000 / 7,000 tickets = $280

So if they got rid of PJ Premium, every ticket for this show would need to be priced at $280 to match the revenue, which TM is not going to willingly surrender.  Not defending these prices, just making a point.

blairs1

did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?

erik768

I also believe for PJ Premium ticket master gets a cut on each resale which is more profit without having to do anything.

Kwieneke

blairs1 said:

did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?

i think they were ADA

PrezIntense

blairs1 said:

did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?

Yes. I snagged for Raleigh

PrezIntense

Kwieneke said:

blairs1 said:

did any venue's have the $99 tickets that 10C quoted? I don't think I saw any?

i think they were ADA

they were not. there was a solid section of $99 for Raleigh but they went very fast and were 300 level

Indifference

I don’t mind premium as seems like only way I get seats.

yieldtobinaural

I think I'd prefer to be scalped by a scalper than by the band themselves

Luckytwn1

given2fly23 said:

Some basic math:

PJ Premium - 700 tickets x $1,000 = $700,000
Standard - 6300 tickets x $200 = $1,260,000
Total = $1,960,000

All Standard - $1,960,000 / 7,000 tickets = $280

So if they got rid of PJ Premium, every ticket for this show would need to be priced at $280 to match the revenue, which TM is not going to willingly surrender.  Not defending these prices, just making a point.

Ticket pricing is determined by the artist and promoter as part of the deal reached for the show to be played. Ticketmaster doesn't surrender anything. They just sell the tickets as instructed by those two parties. Promoters are demanding platinum/premium tickets and certainly it is true in a case like PJ where they want to provide a batch of fan club tickets at a specific price, like any negotiation, they have to give something in return. Or they would have to take less of a guarantee for the show.

Original_Shifty

KJ228171 said:

Original_Shifty said:

Got an upgrade to 10C tix for Raleigh N1, although it was two singles one behind the other instead of next to each other. Big deal. Moved from FLR 4 Row 11 to Sec 104 rows VV and WW both aisle seats.

I'll be selling our floor seats on F2F as soon as it opens.

I'm sure the board (and me personally) would love a heads up when you list them.

You can count on it.