10C Lottery Results - May 2025 US

This was my first 10C lottery. I apologize if this has been covered. My card got charged, and I got the confirmation e-mails. Does anyone know when the tickets show up in your account? I'm wondering where my seats are.

JimmyV said:

TahoeJeff said:

This was my first 10C lottery. I apologize if this has been covered. My card got charged, and I got the confirmation e-mails. Does anyone know when the tickets show up in your account? I'm wondering where my seats are.

You'll get another email with seat locations and instructions to add them to your TM account. I don't think we know yet when that is coming. 

Thanks, Jimmy!

SHZA said:

pjl44 said:

Douglas12373 said:

Maybe some folks don't see a lot of shows outside of PJ, but if you've been buying tickets post pandemic, it is very clear that demand has increased exponentially. A lot of folks got the FOMO bug post pandemic, and shows by popular acts, ESPECIALLY legacy acts, across the industry have seen significantly increased demand.

Another factor is that Gen Xers, the overwhelming majority of PJ fans, now are by and large empty nesters with more disposable income than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, etc. If you're in any of the PJ facebook groups, 3 out of every 4 posts is from someone who has been a fan for 30 years but couldn't ever see the band before because of kids/jobs/money/time/etc. They are all in the market now, with the pandemic kick in the ass that this might all go away again, and maybe for more than just 18 months.

Do you see how many people are paying $500+ to see AC/DC in 2024? A band that hasn't been popular in, I dunno, at least 30 years. Oasis barely filled theaters the last time they were in the US, now they are filling football stadiums.

The market has drastically changed, and as pointed out above several times, PJ plays a tiny fraction of the shows they used to play. Increased demand, decreased supply. I know its human nature to think you've been screwed if a fellow human has what you do not, but its just numbers.

System of a Down and Oasis are selling out stadiums. What a world.

SOAD just added second nights at each stadium show as well. Crazy. Still, both can be true. People may be underestimating demand, but that doesn't mean the lottery wasn't also screwed up. 

Oh yeah I think the lottery process is kinda screwed up relative to how we think it should go (even if we don't specifically know how)

mpedone said:

BV84003 said:

There's so little transparency in this club in regard to almost every aspect, so I don't foresee them EVER disclosing how the lottery truly works - all we can do is assume GA is drawn first, followed by reserve, on a show by show basis. And that it's all completely random, even if some results seem to pull that into question.
We don't know how many 10c members there even are. We don't know how many of those people entered the lottery. We don't know the average amount of shows a member signed up for. We don't know how many tickets per show were allocated. Even just simply announcing how many members signed up for each show vs how many tickets were available would be a great olive branch in terms of some miniscule amount of transparency and reasoning. 

Why would we assume it is show-by-show when the language in the pre-sale announcement mentions being prepared to buy all of the tickets in your request? Given the number of people who get everything they request, if the draw is done show-by-show, something is seriously wrong. It is FAR more likely that it is a random draw of member numbers whose requests are then fulfilled.

If that were the case, then why wouldn't all your selections be verified at once instead of getting multiple emails (and charges) throughout the course of the day. That would also mean that virtually everyone who got notified about Raleigh right at 11:45AM or whatever on Tuesday would have also won every single other show on their list. Did that actually happen?

Randomness of the lottery aside, I think another factor people are discounting is that there's just way more "demand" for every show these days than there used to be. I put demand in quotes because a lot (maybe most) of the requests aren't even coming from people who want to attend a specific show.

Pearl Jam's fan base is older and more affluent now. So lots of people will travel to see them in multiple cities anyway. But then add on top of that the fact that tickets, especially GA tickets, have become a form of commodity. And with the limited number of shows Pearl Jam plays these days, reselling a ticket at face value (unless you buy Premium) is pretty much guaranteed unless you wait til the last second. So folks put in GA/Reserved requests for literally every show. If they luck into GA anywhere, that's a ticket they can attempt to trade (timed drops, exchange credentials, whatever) for GA or great seats to the show they actually want to attend. If they can't find any takers, they put the ticket up on F2F. 

There's virtually no downside to requesting GA for every show... and while the demand to see Pearl Jam is pretty substantial, it gets inflated artificially. Nobody minds though. The perceived scarcity is good for the band and only drives demand even higher (psychology is weird). Then people panic buy whatever seats they can find during the primary sale, and all of these factors prompt TM to dynamically price Premium at ridiculous prices... while they're holding back some amount of seating that will eventually be sprinkled out later or dropped the week of the show at face value.

It's all kind of a shell game to be honest. But Ticketmaster's too big, people are susceptible to all their tricks, and at the end of the day there really is more demand than there is supply, at least for GA / premium seats.

For 10c's part, I do think bringing back prioritization would at least create more equitable outcomes... but I'm guessing too many aspects of the process are outsourced at this point and trying to re-implement that is at least far enough beyond their control to not feel worthwhile.

mpedone said:

BV84003 said:

There's so little transparency in this club in regard to almost every aspect, so I don't foresee them EVER disclosing how the lottery truly works - all we can do is assume GA is drawn first, followed by reserve, on a show by show basis. And that it's all completely random, even if some results seem to pull that into question.
We don't know how many 10c members there even are. We don't know how many of those people entered the lottery. We don't know the average amount of shows a member signed up for. We don't know how many tickets per show were allocated. Even just simply announcing how many members signed up for each show vs how many tickets were available would be a great olive branch in terms of some miniscule amount of transparency and reasoning. 

Why would we assume it is show-by-show when the language in the pre-sale announcement mentions being prepared to buy all of the tickets in your request? Given the number of people who get everything they request, if the draw is done show-by-show, something is seriously wrong. It is FAR more likely that it is a random draw of member numbers whose requests are then fulfilled.

I went 1 for 3, got Pitt 1 but did not get either Nashville show. If you are correct, shouldn't I have gotten the Nashville tickets too?

By the way I love System and am very upset about this "three cities and stadiums" model of touring. Would love love to see them again. Not slagging them.

EH14457 said:

Randomness of the lottery aside, I think another factor people are discounting is that there's just way more "demand" for every show these days than there used to be. I put demand in quotes because a lot (maybe most) of the requests aren't even coming from people who want to attend a specific show.

Pearl Jam's fan base is older and more affluent now. So lots of people will travel to see them in multiple cities anyway. But then add on top of that the fact that tickets, especially GA tickets, have become a form of commodity. And with the limited number of shows Pearl Jam plays these days, reselling a ticket at face value (unless you buy Premium) is pretty much guaranteed unless you wait til the last second. So folks put in GA/Reserved requests for literally every show. If they luck into GA anywhere, that's a ticket they can attempt to trade (timed drops, exchange credentials, whatever) for GA or great seats to the show they actually want to attend. If they can't find any takers, they put the ticket up on F2F. 

There's virtually no downside to requesting GA for every show... and while the demand to see Pearl Jam is pretty substantial, it gets inflated artificially. Nobody minds though. The perceived scarcity is good for the band and only drives demand even higher (psychology is weird). Then people panic buy whatever seats they can find during the primary sale, and all of these factors prompt TM to dynamically price Premium at ridiculous prices... while they're holding back some amount of seating that will eventually be sprinkled out later or dropped the week of the show at face value.

It's all kind of a shell game to be honest. But Ticketmaster's too big, people are susceptible to all their tricks, and at the end of the day there really is more demand than there is supply, at least for GA / premium seats.

For 10c's part, I do think bringing back prioritization would at least create more equitable outcomes... but I'm guessing too many aspects of the process are outsourced at this point and trying to re-implement that is at least far enough beyond their control to not feel worthwhile.

Great points here on demand

1. F2F makes putting makes it a no risk game. 100%. If you have the means, which more people our age do, then there is no risk putting in for every show. Increase your odds. This adds to the demand. After getting shut out many many times. I'm going to increase my odds given the chance. Its worked.  

2. Its a limited run. That also adds to the demand. 

3. Locations. When is the last time they played Florida? 2016? Now add in the fact its a 7k capacity. Carolina 2013? Pitt 2013? Its also not just those cities. With limited run, its those cities and anywhere close. 

Pittsburgh is ripe for Cleveland, Columbus, Maryland fans etc

For what it's worth, here's the 2016 odds shortly before the lottery draw started.....I miss the days when 10c ran it. 

JojoRice said:

For what it's worth, here's the 2016 odds shortly before the lottery draw started.....I miss the days when 10c ran it. 

It would be nice to have this brought back along with a description of the actual process used for the random drawing.